Taking Sides: Ireland V Scotland; which has the worst bands?

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We have The Puddingtons, ergo We Lose.

I Supersize Disaster (noodle vague), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:05 (seventeen years ago) link

oh wait this thread was only looking for the bad stuff? sorry, i misread it. i don't have time to list off all the crap irish music i've heard, but the frames deserve a big shout.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Del Amitri vs Boomtown Rats, Scotland wins.

just making sure .... do people understand that 'winning' here means being the worst?

sonofstan (sonofstan), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Fila Brazilia = we fight on

bad hair day house (fandango), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Also The Gargoyles. And Hub. And the first 3 Beautiful South albums.

I Supersize Disaster (noodle vague), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:07 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm leaving this thread alone before I say something horribly offensive about The Pogues and their God-awful, faux-Oirish, samey claptrap, the musical equivalent of an O'Neils chain pub. Oh, dang it...

Obvious Ninja (Haberdager), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:08 (seventeen years ago) link

jim are you going to that Theremin thing in a couple of weeks?

bad hair day house (fandango), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh i misread it too. No way are thin lizzy and sensational alex harvey band shite.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:09 (seventeen years ago) link

The Pouges are great you loon

bad hair day house (fandango), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:09 (seventeen years ago) link

The Pastels, Orange Juice, Aztec Camera, early Mongwai, Arab Strap, MOMUS! etc. we pretty much have losing the being the worst contest in the bag.

jimnaseum (jimnaseum), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Mongwai lol

bad hair day house (fandango), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:09 (seventeen years ago) link

multi xposts

I've been thinking about it. Isn't it this week? Patricia somebody?

I Supersize Disaster (noodle vague), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Mongwai was actually deliberate!

jimnaseum (jimnaseum), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Jim, I take your The Puddingtons and raise you with G.U.N.(or their hair metal GUN days, whichever you deem worst)

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:10 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost - does your email work btw? have tried to get in touch

it's http://www.myspace.com/pameliakurstin (from the moog documentary!)

bad hair day house (fandango), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah just looked it up. I'm down with this if our lass isn't going out, I'll check me hotmail (it works but I'm slack at checking it.)

I Supersize Disaster (noodle vague), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Thats not true. You emailed me back 3 months later once.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Louis, you have never heard the Pogues in your life, have you?

ailsa (ailsa), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:16 (seventeen years ago) link

CORRECTION: I was treated to their entire Greatest Hits in the car YESTERDAY, by my mum, who's a fan. I didn't miss it when it was over, hence my posting here. Although I still clearly know nothing about punk, so I have an excuse to sound ignorant on the issue.

Some of my words may have been a slight exaggeration, as well. :p

Obvious Ninja (Haberdager), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:19 (seventeen years ago) link

xxpost LOL This is true

I can't see an email from you fand, either it got junk mailed or I've deleted it whilst pissed. Try noodlevague@googleFUCKOFFSPAMBOTSmail.com, I read that more often. I'm defnitely up for the gig, anyway.

I Supersize Disaster (noodle vague), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:20 (seventeen years ago) link

ok :)

bad hair day house (fandango), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:23 (seventeen years ago) link

The Pogues are cool merely by association with Kirsty MacColl.

bad hair day house (fandango), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:23 (seventeen years ago) link

The Pogues is cool full stop. Louis, get "The Old Main Drag", get drunk, listen to it on a loop. It's Enlightenment or Bust.

I Supersize Disaster (noodle vague), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Who said anything about cool? Get one copy of Red Roses for Me and listen to it properly.

ailsa (ailsa), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Kirsty MacColl, eh? *refrains from making some gag involving Steve Irwin and the dangers that lurk in the sea*

Noodle Vague, admittedly the stuff on this 'Best Of' did sound as if it might be a little more subdued than their punky beginnings, and I did kinda like Rum, Sodomy And The Lash when I heard it at a very early age (we've kinda lost the cassette since then), but the stuff playing on our car stereo yesterday was puuuure bilge. Might follow your advice (or find RSATL) though.

Obvious Ninja (Haberdager), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:27 (seventeen years ago) link

I think it's easy to mistake the Pogues for one of the foixrish bands that've come after them, but there's a big deep wide talented difference.

I Supersize Disaster (noodle vague), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:30 (seventeen years ago) link

I've listened to Never Mind The Bollocks again, btw. It's actually quite good, not wholly my style, but no dismissing it offhand ever again. 'Bodies' is grate! :)

You know what music I mean when I compare them to an O'Neils pub, though!

Obvious Ninja (Haberdager), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Does Scotland win the worst award if I mention Sandi Thom, KT Tunstall and that "punk" band Tippy is in?

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Manchester or Liverpool have beeen way more productive than either of these two whole countries -ouch! That's a bit harsh no?

Pogues are genius, if you don't understand that you're a fool.

Texas = Scotland wins.

lexurian (lexurian), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:32 (seventeen years ago) link

PAOLO NUTINI WINS IT FOR THE CALEDONIANS, actually.

Obvious Ninja (Haberdager), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:33 (seventeen years ago) link

I wish i was a bread-maker with flour in my hair.

Sandi Thom is the Doomsday Weapon of this debate.

I Supersize Disaster (noodle vague), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:34 (seventeen years ago) link

AKshully she's still not as shit as Katie Fucking Kahlua. She's Polish or sump'n isn't she? Her country for the win.

I Supersize Disaster (noodle vague), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:34 (seventeen years ago) link

KT Tunstall does push the envelope somewhat. Especially for performing with "This machine kills fascists" on her guitar. Although thankfully she didn't give a rendition of "this land is your land".

A girl once told me I looked like Nutini :(

jimnaseum (jimnaseum), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:35 (seventeen years ago) link

can I butt in again just to say the Pogues aren't Irish in the sense of being 'from Ireland' which is what i was looking for

sonofstan (sonofstan), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:36 (seventeen years ago) link

THIS MACHINE KILLS FACISTS

I Supersize Disaster (noodle vague), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:36 (seventeen years ago) link

This is the worst thread ever. (actually, it's not, but it's kind of rubbish, but in a fascinating "what nonsense will someone say next" kind of way).

Paolo Nutini's parents have a nice chipshop from where I often partake of a late-night post-pub snack.

ailsa (ailsa), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Glasgow is the epicentre of bland, for some reason, but... Boyzone, Westlife, Bewitched. It's sooo difficult.

lexurian (lexurian), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:38 (seventeen years ago) link

I've still never heard Sandi Thom!

bad hair day house (fandango), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:39 (seventeen years ago) link

"ireland has far worse bands (and a lot of really bad, earnest folk music)"

aw, jbr, you make me sad, there was a ton of great folk music in ireland in the late 60s & 70s

scotland does have much better pop/rock bands

timmy tannin (pompous), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Re: Pogues, I didn't seriously consider them as a 'worst Irish band', but I didn't like what I heard particularly, and saw this as a rather neat opportunity to get this off my chest/wind a few folk up/discover that they're actually REALLY GOOD and which records of theirs I should listen to.

In fact, every stupid comment I make here is just a way of getting great tips! ;-)

Obvious Ninja (Haberdager), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:39 (seventeen years ago) link

I hardly think Mr Nutini's chippy lets his son off for being shit, ails.

I Supersize Disaster (noodle vague), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Anyone wanna defend The Almighty?

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:42 (seventeen years ago) link

I saw Nutini's single on The Hits (don't ask, it's amazing what Freeview can do) a month or so ago and it was actually the single blandest, vaguest, most moronic piece of music I'd ever heard. Everything about Nutini deserves the utmost, utmost contempt, most of all the fact he has a recording contract.

Obvious Ninja (Haberdager), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Danny Wilson anybody?

lexurian (lexurian), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Do The Waterboys score for both countries?

I Supersize Disaster (noodle vague), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:46 (seventeen years ago) link

I liked some Waterboys, so no. And dont mention Big Country either, I liked some of their singles.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:49 (seventeen years ago) link

I like them both too, but Mike Scott's need to be Irish always made me chuckle.

I Supersize Disaster (noodle vague), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:50 (seventeen years ago) link

There was a scottish girl group a few years back, but since I've never heard them I don't suppose I can really count them. Lemonscent or something they were called.

Speedway(i think they were called that) were shite.

Harry was abysmal. She covered some 80s song. It was used in an advert. Her label spent a fortune trying to promote her to the Kerrang crowd. They failed :)

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:57 (seventeen years ago) link

I am playing Scotland's Joker that, as it transcends good and bad thus renders this contest null and void:

http://www.galwayartsfestival.com/files/programme/418_THE-PROCLAIMERS-2003.jpg

lexurian (lexurian), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Nothing wrong with Letter From America or 500 miles.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Finbar Furey's yer only man. There's nothing wrong with the Furey's though. They're no plastic paddies or anything. They're tinkers from Ballyfermot.

What about Luke Kelly?
"Onnnnn Raahh GLAnn RO-UDD"

Afro Celt Sound System - Crusty Dance / Trad you can take drugs too

Major Alfonso (Major Alfonso), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 21:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Ireland can win for bands but I sense Scotland has the better clubs?

bad hair day house (fandango), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 22:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Hang on, if people are invoking granny-friendly cabaret like Brendan Shine and Foster & Allan, then Scotland has Fran & Anna. And the Alexander Brothers. Do we win yet?

The Dubliners vs The Chieftans
The Corries vs Hamish Imlach.

Are you slagging these people off?

I like, or at least don't dislike, far too many bands mentioned here.

ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 22:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Why do so many Irish bands go on and on about ... being Irish?

Hot Hot Heat (Hot Hot Heat), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 22:05 (seventeen years ago) link

(i know all their late 80s/early 90s stuff as my dad liked them for a spell)

Worst excuse ever! Or were you tethered to him for a number of years or something?

ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 22:05 (seventeen years ago) link

xposts but no ailsa. I wasn't slagging any of them you mentioned.

And as for runrig, it was not possible to avoid them as he played them in the car constantly.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 22:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Kafka dreamed so much he never finished Amerika

whatever (boglogger), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 22:13 (seventeen years ago) link

http://rateyourmusic.com/album_images/s72139.jpg

http://rateyourmusic.com/album_images/s146402.jpg

dear god I couldn't even remember their name last night... ugh

bad hair day house (fandango), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 22:15 (seventeen years ago) link

"The Corries vs Hamish Imlach"

Neither are Irish. Both are good. What's your point?

everything (everything), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 02:30 (seventeen years ago) link

I never said they were irish.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 23:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Scotland has Silly Wizard, which counts for something I guess.

bernard snow (sixteen sergeants), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 23:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Kerr, don't you understand that listing one act v another act on a thread about "one thing v another thing, which is most shite?" might lead people to think that you are listing examples from each side, and declaring them shite in the process?

ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 7 September 2006 15:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Ireland wins this hands down. Ireland has a music scene that thinks by its total disconnection from success and big record labels it's actually achieved something. This would be fine if all these acts were making experimental dub or something but most are actually bad commercial rock music.

Scotland is part of the British music scene at least, I don't mean that pejoratively either, just that there is some give/take between the two.

Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 8 September 2006 06:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Ireland has a music scene that thinks by its total disconnection from success and big record labels it's actually achieved something. This would be fine if all these acts were making experimental dub or something but most are actually bad commercial rock music.

I agree with the first sentence, but feel that actually Ireland's music scene is characterised by underachieving experimentalists with no obvious hunger to connect to a record buying public.

At the risk of appearing like a shameless self-promoter, here is my amazing list of the GREATEST EVER IRISH MUSICAL TUNES: http://inuitbikini.blogspot.com/2006/08/cd-greatest-irish-music-tunes-ever.html

DV (dirtyvicar), Friday, 8 September 2006 12:07 (seventeen years ago) link

four years pass...

ireland

nakhchivan, Sunday, 21 August 2011 18:53 (twelve years ago) link

simple minds could win it for scotland though

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 21 August 2011 19:01 (twelve years ago) link

There are a couple of Irish bands I've liked, can only think of one Scottish (Mogwai).

Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Sunday, 21 August 2011 20:35 (twelve years ago) link

Was going to bring up The Pogues as a plus point for Ireland, then remembered they're actually English.

Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Sunday, 21 August 2011 20:41 (twelve years ago) link

As much as it pains me to admit it, the answer is "Ireland"

Can't Stop the Rop (seandalai), Monday, 22 August 2011 00:03 (twelve years ago) link

yeah, Ireland wins this one with ease

Number None, Monday, 22 August 2011 00:09 (twelve years ago) link

even with simple minds and deacon blue, the answer is still Ireland innit?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 22 August 2011 00:09 (twelve years ago) link

Ireland has some good metal bands currently though in it's favour.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 22 August 2011 00:37 (twelve years ago) link

Inverness is perhaps the most overlooked area of Scottish Hip Hop though acts such as Spit-Dis and T-E-C were prominent in the Highlands & Islands. Spit-Dis consists of Brude (Glass Cage), John-Boi (Focus on the Day), KD (Life is a Game) and Sherbit (Hip-Hop). The members of T-E-C, Mgoff and Paul Scotti are perhaps most recognised for their tracks "Don't Doubt The Flow", "These Parts" and "The Movement". In an area disproportionately dominated by traditional Highland music and Rock bands, these groups are particularly influential in the local and national scene in a way which was previously unassociated with artists from this area.

buzza, Monday, 22 August 2011 03:15 (twelve years ago) link

Can Scotland claim Gentle Giant? The Shulman brothers were born in Glasgow, didn't live there very long though. Anyway, I'm not sure if Gentle Giant would tip the scales either way for Scotland.

Duncan Disorderly (Tom D.), Monday, 22 August 2011 13:17 (twelve years ago) link

ac/dc means scotland cant win.

jethro tull does

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 22 August 2011 13:56 (twelve years ago) link

four years pass...

didn't know where to put this, been listening to this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSxrH8yYI_E

The stage banter at the end is hilariously cheesy after such a great and deep rendition

(i found it on a cheap vinyl record) another thread mentioned the Corries are remarkably unavailable on cd. (I certainly had never heard of them before, which must be very continental European of me)

Ludo, Saturday, 30 April 2016 15:47 (eight years ago) link

Oh god, Ireland easily.

2rrican (Turrican), Saturday, 30 April 2016 15:51 (eight years ago) link

The stage banter at the end is hilariously cheesy after such a great and deep rendition

That's folk musicians for you.

(Henry) Green container bin with face (Tom D.), Saturday, 30 April 2016 15:56 (eight years ago) link

I'd have to go with Ireland too

i;m thinking about thos Beans (Michael B), Saturday, 30 April 2016 16:05 (eight years ago) link

Roy Williamson was a helluva talent, Ronnie Browne, er, not so much.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ylj-O06Is_c

(Henry) Green container bin with face (Tom D.), Saturday, 30 April 2016 16:19 (eight years ago) link

maybe Roy sold his soul to the devil, and had to include Ronnie Browne in the package deal hehehe. Haircut Ronnie certainly looks like he should just be in a Asterix and Obelix in Scotland in 3D adaptation

thanks for that vid!

Ludo, Saturday, 30 April 2016 16:55 (eight years ago) link


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