― Timothy, Monday, 3 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― turner, Tuesday, 4 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Tim, Tuesday, 4 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― gareth, Tuesday, 4 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Last time I went to a club, you had Peshay in one packed hall playing really fast and boring jungle. In the other hall DJ Assault scratched every sort of dance music into one happy holistic NOW. Too bad a lot of people weren't paying attention.
― Omar, Tuesday, 4 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― David Gunnip, Tuesday, 4 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
the ss/formation axis seems to have been shunted out of the picture a little when it comes to looking back over jungle?
― gareth (gareth), Sunday, 15 December 2002 01:20 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Chupa-Cabras (vicc13), Sunday, 15 December 2002 01:31 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Rockist Scientist, Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:38 (twenty years ago) link
― Rockist Scientist, Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:49 (twenty years ago) link
A lot of the best jungle comps are out of print now. DJ Hype did a couple last year that collected a lot of the classics tho. "Jungle Massive 2002" I believe it was called.
― Ben Williams, Sunday, 25 May 2003 16:12 (twenty years ago) link
There are a few Hype classic mixes. One called Old Skool Classics: In The Mix is very good.
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 25 May 2003 17:43 (twenty years ago) link
― scott seward, Sunday, 25 May 2003 18:46 (twenty years ago) link
― scott seward, Sunday, 25 May 2003 18:53 (twenty years ago) link
― Rockist Scientist, Sunday, 25 May 2003 18:58 (twenty years ago) link
― Rockist Scientist, Sunday, 25 May 2003 19:20 (twenty years ago) link
Other impressions: it sounds so contemporary, but it doesn't sound that much more than contemporary. Maybe I should just shut up and listen since I'm only up to track two or three. Hmmmm. I wish there weren't that continuous WOMP (it doesn't really sound like that). I like the loose part of drum n bass, but I don't like the heavy bam bam regularlity of it. Maybe that's just in some songs and not all. For "Heavy bam bam regularlity" think of the rhythm Bruce Springsteen's "Born in the U.S.A." But I like the nervous, scatteriness in drum n bass, though maybe not in huge doses.
Oh here we go again: "Remember the ti-imes we shared!"
― Rockist Scientist, Monday, 26 May 2003 14:37 (twenty years ago) link
― Rockist Scientist, Monday, 26 May 2003 15:58 (twenty years ago) link
rockist, it's a bit of a controversial choice, but if you want a nice mix of the ants-in-your-pants rhythm stuff and the jazzy vibe, look for the first metalheadz platinum breakz comp which you can still sometimes find in borders and such.
― jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 26 May 2003 16:08 (twenty years ago) link
― scott seward, Monday, 26 May 2003 16:19 (twenty years ago) link
the reason i say i don't think the brazilian drum 'n' bass stuff sounds very latin is because its basically the same beats as english d'n'b, rather than some cool merengue fusion or something. i haven't listened to lots of it so maybe i haven't heard the best stuff, but sticking some lilting guitar on top doesn't really make it stand out imho.
― Ben Williams, Monday, 26 May 2003 16:27 (twenty years ago) link
I haven't heard that much of this stuff myself. Maybe as few as a half dozen CDs worth, plus the odd drum n bass element that will turn up in other contexts.
― Rockist Scientist, Monday, 26 May 2003 16:31 (twenty years ago) link
"Platinum Breakz" is wonderful, yes. Volume II is pretty good as well - kind of like the death throes of rhythmic complexity as techstep/neurofunk took over completely.
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 01:00 (twenty years ago) link
rockist - you want the ministry of sound's "back to the old skool drum and bass", even though it's not actually 100% old skool.
am i the only person that bought platinum breakz vol. 3 and enforcers vol. 3?
― vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 02:44 (twenty years ago) link
― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 03:18 (twenty years ago) link
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 03:37 (twenty years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 03:47 (twenty years ago) link
And it's SO dead in the water.
― russ t, Tuesday, 27 May 2003 09:07 (twenty years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 09:20 (twenty years ago) link
anyway, i'm gonna back up gareth and agree that Formation just don't get its dues for how important it was then back in the early to mid-90s (maybe because it lost its way big-time after that). in its prime, they'd remix their big tunes countless time, so that you'd go every week and get lost in a maze of VIP pressure. The Highly Recommended comp stands up so well.
― nebbesh (nebbesh), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 11:42 (twenty years ago) link
― nebbesh (nebbesh), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 11:54 (twenty years ago) link
chai. cushions...spring heel jack. a live drummer (that guy from that cleveland watkiss thing?). a big ugly dancefloor like a basketball court. vision like they hadn't turned off the house lights.
a group of punters trying to dance.
hands a-jitter like 70's kung fu stars whose nylon mustaches are about to fade... and whose stuttering pose on frame declares the machine malfunctioing if not broke.
no movement below the hips. well, none other than skittering.
phew, the tracks are loOoong.
so after a couple of "tunes" a large group of them sat down. like a pictic in the, by now, otherwise uninhabited wilds of the dancefloor. and stayed sitting down, chatting and moving their hands, for the rest of the set.
― gaz (gaz), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 12:02 (twenty years ago) link
And for the record - accept it... jungle is music for people who have absolutely no natural rhythm. Ugly music. It's the genre that the genuine clubbers avoid like the plague because of the hideous attitude and violence that it's associated with. Uusally because most 'junglists' are aged 15.
And I never ever went to any clubs where jungle would get people err... 'tearing out'. And I live in Bristol, mate, one of the natural original homes of jungle, so there aint nothing you can preach or teach to me about the genre.
Jungle - you'll be hiding your jungle vinyl with acute embarrassment in a few years. See also Happy Hardcore, another kiddie genre.
Deeply dud, extremely nasty.
― russ t, Tuesday, 27 May 2003 12:28 (twenty years ago) link
tearing out maybe not.butt booty movin street funk widda dub feel? dat do?
― gaz (gaz), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 12:37 (twenty years ago) link
― Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 27 May 2003 12:46 (twenty years ago) link
― gaz (gaz), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 12:53 (twenty years ago) link
As for the remarks about kids music, and linking it with violence etc. you're like some grievous angel of Mojo and the Daily Mail. what age group is music meant for? I don't like most modern jungle, don't like trance, don't like happy hardcore, but i would never frown on kids for liking it? ugh, your breath stinks ugly from all that middle-aged stench coming out of it.
so yes, mate, you wouldn't believe it mate, but oh mATE! just coz you can only finger pop, doesn't mean other people can't frug or tootle or whatever you old folk call dancing these days.
jungle ain't the ugly thing round here.
― nebbesh (nebbesh), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 13:06 (twenty years ago) link
And jungle, like happy hardcore, will always be a 'kiddie genre'.... I presume you're about the same age as myself, so I'm sure this concept can't be alien to you? Oh, but then you're 'dahn wiv the kidz' aren't you? If I come across as some hooror from the Daily Mail (never read it - I'm sure you have), then you come across as some embarrassing late 20's/early 30s 'yoof' writer or presenter who,despite looking patently ridiculous in sweaty clubs surrounded by kiddies, still continues to sweat it out and refuses to go home. See also virtually all the NME writers, anyone who works at i'D and the Face....oh, and Janet Street Porter and Annie Nightingale.
Finger pop? Err....ok. Something I should be down on wiv the kidz, eh? In 2003?
Oh,and PLEASE don't call me mate. It's toe curling.
― russ t, Tuesday, 27 May 2003 13:22 (twenty years ago) link
i don't know how you perceive jungle when it was at its creative peak as kiddie music, that's all i was saying. i wasn't saying i was down wiv da kidz, i admit i having been to a d&b club for years, i was just pointing out your snootiness and ultra-conservatism i.e. your fear of the unknown (i.e. "i don't like it, therefore it's for kids. i can't dance to it, therefore no one can").
"never read it - sure you have" - classic kiddie genre!
― nebbesh (nebbesh), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 13:59 (twenty years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 14:06 (twenty years ago) link
― gaz (gaz), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 14:09 (twenty years ago) link
jungle is/was incredibly close to ragga/dancehall musically, dance music at its rawest and, indeed, ugliest - so Russ is right in that respect, but some of us who appreciate beauty in music also appreciated that 'ugliness' - of course it was the main appeal, just as it was with punk in a way
― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 14:13 (twenty years ago) link
I saw Die the other week DJing in Bristol - and it was an extremely unpleasant experience. More unpleasant when the whole of his crew and him came back to my friends, uninvited, when they were having a chill out. Uneducated, uncouth, sexist, homophobic assholes. And many faces I recognised over the years from the jungle and d&b nights in Lakota and Club Loco. Some things never change. My opinion isn't based on 'fear of the unknown', nebbesh - I went to those clubs years back in Bristol, and never, ever liked them..... jungle and drum and bass, like the UK garage stuff now, always seemed to draw a darker, harder, nastier crowd and there was invariably a scrap or 10 throughout the night. Hence the reputation.Is there anything uglier than seeing someone brawling when you're out on a night out?Or seeing someone sliced with a knife?
I don't think there is.
So, apart from having a vehement hatred for jungle and drum and bass as musical genres, I also hate that whole jungle scene. Because it's trouble.
― russ t, Tuesday, 27 May 2003 14:20 (twenty years ago) link
but russ...the music? did we talk about that yet, really?
― gaz (gaz), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 14:24 (twenty years ago) link
i've seen some nasty stuff happen in all kinds of clubs over the years, and a lot of music i like is also liked my bigots and hooligans. doesn't mean i'll stop liking Roll Deep, doesn't mean i'll stop liking the Specials.
― nebbesh (nebbesh), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 14:30 (twenty years ago) link
Yeah, hating the music because of the faction (which i personally consider a MINORITY based on my own personal experiences...in fact i wouldnt be surprised if there had been MORE trouble in Bristol than in London in relative terms at the clubs and with certain genres) of ugly people it attracts is probably not clever...i love hip hop despite the same problems occurring there as they have with jungle, tho i personally can't get into dancehall much because a)i'm hardly target audience b) don't seem as interested and c)dubious messages in a fair proportion of the music but that said i will appreciate the cool rhythms and other musical elements in that genre as they present themselves...hmm, funnily enough those three reasons should mean i'm not into hip hop either so i guess its just that i find hip hop more accessible
― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 14:36 (twenty years ago) link
― Lordy, Friday, 27 August 2004 19:07 (nineteen years ago) link
If you go here you can d/l a load of mix tapes from '91 - '95 by Bukem, Randall, Hype, Peshay, Jumpin' JAck Frost and Mickey Finn.
I hope somebody enjoys...
― Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Thursday, 4 August 2005 22:59 (eighteen years ago) link
― ghetty green (eman), Friday, 5 August 2005 03:12 (eighteen years ago) link
― kit brash (kit brash), Thursday, 11 August 2005 12:26 (eighteen years ago) link
― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 05:49 (eighteen years ago) link
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Thursday, 18 August 2005 05:31 (eighteen years ago) link
― charltonlido (gareth), Thursday, 18 August 2005 06:43 (eighteen years ago) link
― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Thursday, 18 August 2005 06:47 (eighteen years ago) link
Is that a Method Man vocal sample on it?
― Neil Stewart (Neil Stewart), Thursday, 25 May 2006 15:43 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 25 May 2006 21:47 (seventeen years ago) link
i need to get this: Ray Keith's Vintage Dread
or at least i need to get a copy of 'Sing Time' RIGHT NOW
― blueski, Thursday, 26 July 2007 23:05 (sixteen years ago) link
:D
(didn't know about TrackItDown site, looks good)
― blueski, Thursday, 26 July 2007 23:07 (sixteen years ago) link
Radical Sound's "What Is Love (VIP Mix)" - just because. (also I increasingly think this is the greatest) http://www.zshare.net/download/86436989db6c28/
― Tim F, Saturday, 8 March 2008 21:47 (sixteen years ago) link
Marcello is my hero.
-- jess, Saturday, September 1, 2001 12:00 AM (6 years ago) Bookmark Link
― ian, Saturday, 8 March 2008 23:00 (sixteen years ago) link
i played some (non-jungle) records at the local drum and bass night the other night, but after me one of my friends dropped a set of early-mid 90's atmospheric jungle. it was so beautiful, it almost made me want to cry when he dropped "atlantis (i need you)". wonderful shit.
― pipecock, Sunday, 9 March 2008 01:38 (sixteen years ago) link
I've been rocking DJ Rap's "Journeys Through The Land Of Drum 'N' Bass" for the last couple of weeks and it's really nice. Okay, so it's got 'd&b' in the title but this is very much jungle on the cusp of d&b. How cool is it that she included an old Carl Craig track (as Urban Culture) - 'Woders of the wishing' as well as FSOL's 'Papau New Guinea'. Refreshingly open minded for a commercial mix cd. I'm glad I picked it up.
http://www.discogs.com/release/125712
― sam500, Sunday, 9 March 2008 03:02 (sixteen years ago) link
>Radical Sound's "What Is Love (VIP Mix)" - just because. (also I increasingly think this is the greatest)
Thanks for the link, Tim - that track is f'cking *mint*!
On a heartbreaking junglistic note, I dug out my original (CD) copy of Moving Shadow & Sub Base's "The Joint LP" with an ear to relive a bit of the old "Breaks The Unbreakable" magic and the CD has crapped out! There's not a scratch on the disc, but when I try to play it in any player it makes awful "skittering" noises in the background of every track.
I tried to rip it to burn a copy and the same thing happened. Of my couple of thousand CDs this is the FIRST one that I have had this problem with; I know people talk about CDs having a limited lifespan, but is there any way to rescue this?
― Bill A, Monday, 10 March 2008 13:37 (sixteen years ago) link
Also, if the description "dance music you can't dance to" can be applied to Cabaret Voltaire, how much more can it be applied to Jungle!
It may be tricky to do so with grace or style, but it's still enormous fun to bust a move to! There's nothing quite like the explosion of movement which occurs on the drops in a sweaty jungle/dnb club.
― chap, Monday, 10 March 2008 14:02 (sixteen years ago) link
I totally love Lexis, who made cinematic, beautifully sculpted post-techstep for Certificate 18 in the late 90s. Posting "Irrampent", one of my favourites by him - the beats on this are mindbogglingly good: http://www.zshare.net/audio/87602446672097/
― Tim F, Tuesday, 11 March 2008 06:41 (sixteen years ago) link
DJ Rap & Voyager's provocatively-titled Intelligence album from 1995 is actually very good! I didn't know it existed until I stumbled across it in a shop.
Except that the motivational R&B (meets Kate Bush circa The Sensual World) ballad "Two Loves" should be the first entry in a thread titled "Weirdly Compelling Strategic Errors"
― Tim F, Monday, 31 March 2008 14:33 (sixteen years ago) link
Heh Voyager is Pete Parsons (who is like the engineer on a million jungle tracks.) Never heard this either (except for "Ruffest Gunnark" and Engineers Without Fears version of "Spiritual Aura"--no idea if either mix is the same, but both originals are quite good.) I'd forgotten how ridiculously attractive she was. Definitely a DJ who jungle's faceless DJ/producer meme did no favors for.
― Alex in SF, Monday, 31 March 2008 16:15 (sixteen years ago) link
yeah she was my crush #1 between the releases of 'spitirual aura' and her solo pop single 'bad girl'
― blueski, Monday, 31 March 2008 17:30 (sixteen years ago) link
http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/4d/da/f05d828fd7a07c9bc122f010._AA240_.L.jpg
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― Jordan, Monday, 31 March 2008 17:35 (sixteen years ago) link
Had one of those fleeting thoughts this afternoon and yeehaw the Internet comes up trumps again:
http://www.oneinthejungle.com/
Substantial archive of One in the Jungle sets for your listening pleasure. Good times.
― SB OK (Noodle Vague), Monday, 27 June 2011 18:23 (twelve years ago) link
This is gold, NV!
― kkvgz, Monday, 27 June 2011 18:49 (twelve years ago) link
Isn't it? This site: http://www.allcrew.co.uk/pages/jungle.html has a few full shows by the looks of it.
― SB OK (Noodle Vague), Monday, 27 June 2011 19:09 (twelve years ago) link
thanks noodle.any standouts? duds?what's up with the "alternate versions"?
― m0stlyClean, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 01:37 (twelve years ago) link
Good find. There's some great stuff on the Peshay mix (which I got down on tape at the time). Going to have to check some more of these - recommendations please...
― sam500, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 02:05 (twelve years ago) link
what's up with the "alternate versions"?
― m0stlyClean
the mixes came from different sources? the first Krust link seems to contain some radio interference (inaudible on the alternative mix).
― sam500, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 02:46 (twelve years ago) link
Always liked Ray Keith for a bit of the ruffer stuff, anything with Zinc on it, Mickey Finn and Aphrodite obv. A lot of these I don't remember outside the context of the show itself, used to have quite a few on tape but the programme was pretty relentless on a good night.
― SB OK (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 07:30 (twelve years ago) link
This blog is gold: http://dnb365.blogspot.co.uk/
― millmeister, Friday, 14 February 2014 17:00 (ten years ago) link
Wow thank you, I've been wanting something like that for ages.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Friday, 14 February 2014 17:19 (ten years ago) link
this is the place on the internet where I say Marvellous Cain - Gun Talk has to be one of the best full lengths in jungle!
Also, if you're interested in downloading the entire Suburban Base catalog: https://archive.org/details/Suburban_Bass_Complete_Discography
― Dominique, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 22:11 (six years ago) link