― Freedom Dupont, Thursday, 30 October 2003 20:52 (twenty years ago) link
― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:00 (twenty years ago) link
a world where someone actually owns goo goo dolls albums...(anyone else remember when they made a cameo on BH 90210?)
― paulhw (paulhw), Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:04 (twenty years ago) link
Wonderful list. Why is Tom Ewing's albums of the nineties list inaccessible? Only the singles link works.
― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:06 (twenty years ago) link
― Felcher (Felcher), Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:08 (twenty years ago) link
― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:10 (twenty years ago) link
― mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:14 (twenty years ago) link
― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:15 (twenty years ago) link
http://www.archive.org/
― DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:16 (twenty years ago) link
― mmammal, Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:16 (twenty years ago) link
― Nicolars (Nicole), Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:18 (twenty years ago) link
Er?
anglophile
Was this an insult? A massive failure as such.
No Maxinquaye ! ? ! ? @ ~ ! !
*MASSIVELY* overrated. A couple of great songs, otherwise Pre-Millenial Tension rules in comparison.
a world without wu tang
Hmm.
a world where someone actually owns goo goo dolls albums.
Better that than Nirvana albums these days, lemme tell ya.
Proof that he didn't vote his heart: no Wish.
Nah, it just doesn't work for me as much as other Cure albums...
I feel that raking Aphex Twin Selected Ambient II at number 11 and not ranking Selected Ambient I at all is a window into some sort of unhealthiness
SAW I is an album of a number of great moments and others I just can't remember as well. SAW II honestly feels like a piece.
i need to hear more happy hardcore
Everyone does!
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:19 (twenty years ago) link
― Leee (Leee), Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:19 (twenty years ago) link
― Nicolars (Nicole), Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:19 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:20 (twenty years ago) link
― Leee (Leee), Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:21 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:22 (twenty years ago) link
― Nicolars (Nicole), Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:23 (twenty years ago) link
― Leee (Leee), Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:24 (twenty years ago) link
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:24 (twenty years ago) link
― strongo hulkington's ghost (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:25 (twenty years ago) link
Only these 10 picks suck arse. Everything else istop-notch, thanks1
Kudos for boosting Ride and James, two bands that never getenough respect.
― squirlplise, Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:26 (twenty years ago) link
It does, but I was bringing personal baggage to that statement (again). SAW II upsets me. It puts me in a strange place, whereas SAW I puts me in a happy place.
― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:27 (twenty years ago) link
― Felcher (Felcher), Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:28 (twenty years ago) link
Oops.
I understand the idea of it being "your favorites," but in that area, I'd recommend listening to more hip hop before ranking PM Dawn at 26.
I suppose I'm crazy to ask the whereabouts of Midnight Mauraders, Stress: Extinction Agenda, The Chronic, 36 Chambers, Liquid Swords, Only Built 4 Cuban Linx, Mecca and the Soul Brother, Pharcyde, ANY Gang Starr album, Digable Planets, Doggystyle, Black Bastards, Funcrusher Plus, Vagina Diner, Runaway Slave, The Infamous, Aquemini, Ready To Die, Supreme Clientele, Reasonable Doubt, We Can't Be Stopped, Amerikkka's Most Wanted, Death Certificate, Fear of a Black Planet, Apocalypse 91, Endtroducing, etc. etc. etc....
― ddrake, Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:29 (twenty years ago) link
― ddrake, Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:31 (twenty years ago) link
Lars, tis oh so wrong. Let me count the ways....
― Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:31 (twenty years ago) link
I don't think you do get the concept.
― Nicolars (Nicole), Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:32 (twenty years ago) link
― Leee (Leee), Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:32 (twenty years ago) link
no. it may have large prof, but this stinks.
― gaz (gaz), Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:33 (twenty years ago) link
― Leee (Leee), Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:33 (twenty years ago) link
RIMSHOT! [pun intended!]
― M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:34 (twenty years ago) link
I'm quite positive I do.He's reviewing hip hop from a rock critic's perspective - thus all the criticisms of Jim Dero for considering PM Dawn to be the height of hip hop...
"no. it may have large prof, but this stinks."
Nonsense.Akinyele is good shit."I luh her" is classic.
― ddrake, Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:35 (twenty years ago) link
― gaz (gaz), Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:37 (twenty years ago) link
I actually do like some individual songs (and much to my surprise, have all the albums still) but I have never understood or felt a connection to the abject worship.
SAW II upsets me. It puts me in a strange place
Precisely why I love it so.
I suppose I'm crazy to ask the whereabouts of...
I actually own about...*counts*...twelve, thirteen of those on that list and have heard most of the rest. I would include Ready to Die on a revised list at least (Tupac, no). Entroducing is a fantastic and wonderful goth album.
Biggest flaw in the list is that Ned doesn't go off into infinity re: "Mogwai Fear Satan."
That would take a while.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:38 (twenty years ago) link
But then, he wouldn't need to rate the other 135. Since that list also has diamonds from DM and Pulp in there, that would be a travesty.
― Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:41 (twenty years ago) link
You're looking for more abject formalism in my approach than I ever intended, for a start.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:43 (twenty years ago) link
Wrongo.
― Nicolars (Nicole), Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:43 (twenty years ago) link
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:45 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:46 (twenty years ago) link
― ddrake, Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:49 (twenty years ago) link
Explain yourself.
...used to have but sold (don't much care for any more): 6, 16, 24...used to have but lost (wouldn't might having again): 8...still have but rarely listen to: 53, 85...still have and like: 86
...have never owned and probably never will: pretty much the rest
Conclusion: Not much overlap with my tastes.
― o. nate (onate), Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:50 (twenty years ago) link
― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:51 (twenty years ago) link
It's called 'opinion,' see... (While I see what you're trying to get at, might I also note that I could argue that 'if you knew the cultural and musical history behind British created rock and roll then you would see that blah blah blah,' but I would also sound pretty goddamn ridiculous.)
haha, Tweezerland
I just love that mistake! I refuse to correct it.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:52 (twenty years ago) link
Main Entry: 1sub·jec·tive Pronunciation: (")s&b-'jek-tivFunction: adjectiveDate: 15th century1 : of, relating to, or constituting a subject : as a obsolete : of, relating to, or characteristic of one that is a subject especially in lack of freedom of action or in submissiveness b : being or relating to a grammatical subject; especially : NOMINATIVE2 : of or relating to the essential being of that which has substance, qualities, attributes, or relations3 a : characteristic of or belonging to reality as perceived rather than as independent of mind : PHENOMENAL -- compare OBJECTIVE 1b b : relating to or being experience or knowledge as conditioned by personal mental characteristics or states4 a (1) : peculiar to a particular individual : PERSONAL (2) : modified or affected by personal views, experience, or background b : arising from conditions within the brain or sense organs and not directly caused by external stimuli c : arising out of or identified by means of one's perception of one's own states and processes -- compare OBJECTIVE 1c5 : lacking in reality or substance : ILLUSORY- sub·jec·tive·ly adverb- sub·jec·tive·ness noun- sub·jec·tiv·i·ty /-"jek-'ti-v&-tE/ noun ― Nicolars (Nicole), Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:53 (twenty years ago) link
― Nicolars (Nicole), Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:53 (twenty years ago) link
See, but I don't think it is particularly ridiculous. I think if someone wanted to really understand music, they would make some sort of attempt at learning the backgrounds of other groups and cultures. What made you decide to listen to the music that you have listed here? A certain number of socioeconomic, cultural and geographic and era-based influences. Different factors went into it - largely who you've discussed music with and the people you learned about music from. I'd advocate learning about other musical forms from the ground up - evaluating them based on the aesthetic by which they are judged by those who are a part of the culture, and THEN bringing your own bias into it, rather than deciding based on a preconcieved set of notions about "good" music. I certainly don't consider myself to be a picture of this judgement myself - I basically listen to Jazz and hip hop, and am learning about other music now (I just heard Can for the first time the other day) - but on the other hand, I'm not the one creating the big-ass list.
Of course, I suppose these kinds of lists are going to be suggestive of what you've been exploring musically...but if you HAVE heard these albums, my question is - why do you think it is that you feel Oasis is the better band?
Oh, and Nicolars - look up, something just flew over your head.
― ddrake, Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:59 (twenty years ago) link
― Nicolars (Nicole), Thursday, 30 October 2003 22:01 (twenty years ago) link
― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Thursday, 30 October 2003 22:01 (twenty years ago) link
― strongo hulkington's ghost (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 30 October 2003 22:02 (twenty years ago) link
at least 80 percent of those are hip-hop canon classics (or second-tier hip-hop canon classics) to a greater or lesser extent.
― strongohulkingtonsghost, Tuesday, 5 October 2010 19:11 (thirteen years ago) link
I like pretty much all the albums on that list I've heard (Gravediggaz, Prince Paul, Brand Nubian, Mobb Deep, Digable Planets) though Handsome Boy is pretty hit-or-miss in hindsight. Been meaning to check out the Souls Of Mischief full-length cuz the title track is so damn good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Skjgq4ILB_s
― da croupier, Tuesday, 5 October 2010 19:12 (thirteen years ago) link
ironically enough I first heard the loop from 93 in a blend and what made of that and TI's "I'm Serious"
― da croupier, Tuesday, 5 October 2010 19:13 (thirteen years ago) link
these would be my four choices-to-check-out-first, simply based on how much i like them, though really everything except the two prince paul records and unkle are pretty solid start to finish:
25. Organized Konfusion - Stress: The Extinction Agenda48. Brand Nubian - One For All64. Mobb Deep - The Infamous98. Main Source - Breaking Atoms
― strongohulkingtonsghost, Tuesday, 5 October 2010 19:18 (thirteen years ago) link
Rollie was 17 years old when he made that list.
― cee-oh-tee-tee, Tuesday, 5 October 2010 19:19 (thirteen years ago) link
2. Aceyalone - A Book Of Human Language totally don't remember a thing about this, altho I owned it at one point.3. Black Sheep - A Wolf In Sheep’s Clothing GREAT, funny, fairly low-key, lots of jokey sex rhymes.25. Organized Konfusion - Stress: The Extinction Agenda dunno how this measures up to the debut, which is really solid45. Method Man - Tical this is one of the weirdest, murkiest, darkest sounding hip hop records I have ever heard. it's not really as great as the other first-string solo Wu releases but it's definitely worth hearing. the beats sound like they were all recorded underwater in a garbage can.46. Prince Paul - A Prince Among Thieves CLASSIC, severely underrated. probably the best hip-hop concept album ever, and one that tells a coherent, clever story with solid performances from all involved plus top-notch head-nodding Prince Paul beats.48. Brand Nubian - One For All CLASSIC. I think there's only one track on here that is not fantastic. 5 Percenters + Native Tongues, basically.49. Handsome Boy Modelling School - So…How’s Your Girl? HORRIBLE. god I hate the Automator. a bummer that Prince Paul ever got involved with him60. Freestyle Fellowship - Innercity Griots kinda the West Coast answer to Native Tongues (aceyalone above was the main "breakout" member). rapping is amazingly nimble and dense but apart from one or two tracks I always felt their beats were kinda blah. Bullies of the Block is a great opening track tho.63. Del Tha Funkee Homosapien - No Need For Alarm heretical challops = I prefer his first album (which sounds more like an Ice Cube album)64. Mobb Deep - The Infamous CLASSIC73. Digable Planets - Blowout Comb CLASSIC, better than the first98. Main Source - Breaking Atoms CLASSIC
― crude interloper of a once august profession (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 5 October 2010 19:27 (thirteen years ago) link
this is pretty true, altho it's kinda more heavily weighted on the backpacker end of things.
― crude interloper of a once august profession (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 5 October 2010 19:30 (thirteen years ago) link
Also croup don't give me the fucking bro card u mad.
― cee-oh-tee-tee, Tuesday, 5 October 2010 19:33 (thirteen years ago) link
mad about what?
― da croupier, Tuesday, 5 October 2010 19:35 (thirteen years ago) link
llooll\/\/\//\/\/\llooll
― cee-oh-tee-tee, Tuesday, 5 October 2010 19:38 (thirteen years ago) link
Tical and No Need for Alarm were big crossover records. I mean if I had them, you crossed over.
― cee-oh-tee-tee, Tuesday, 5 October 2010 19:44 (thirteen years ago) link
If you pit that list against others from the same time I think that's a net positive. In the same way other staff members stumped for the Wrens or Walt Mink; I just had better taste.
god damn you really are just a character aren't you
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 5 October 2010 19:48 (thirteen years ago) link
0tt why don't you just start a blog about it?
― Sock Puppet Pizza Delivers To The Forest (Sock Puppet Queso Con Concentrate), Tuesday, 5 October 2010 23:09 (thirteen years ago) link
I did: http://geegeegeegeebabybabybaby.blogspot.com
― cee-oh-tee-tee, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 00:26 (thirteen years ago) link
I have a house but only some people are allowed to see it
― Sock Puppet Pizza Delivers To The Forest (Sock Puppet Queso Con Concentrate), Wednesday, 6 October 2010 01:08 (thirteen years ago) link
in clicking on that Pitchfork individual writers' lists, I see that though I voted in it (and submitted a list), it has been excised entirely. written out of the anals of pfork history, i guess.
― beta blog, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 01:25 (thirteen years ago) link
the anals of pitchfork
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 01:42 (thirteen years ago) link
why y'all be google-proofin' all over this thread?
― Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 01:52 (thirteen years ago) link
book idea: 500 best bands of independent music by editors and writers of pitchfork, as well as guests from the independent music scene-- other editors/writers, band members, record store/label owners, etc. To range from 70s-00s (maybe 60s?). Each artist's entry would rate each of the band's albums, and include a few paragraph talking about the band's history. Core group of writers would split some of the profit. Others-- band members, etc.-- would lend Top 10 lists for sidebars, histories of major events or turning points for various genres, etc. (and possibly write some entries) as a favor.publish "concise edition" of pitchfork archive as large book-like magazine (such as "independent musician's resource") run with advertisements, update yearly, beginning with 2003advantages:++content already there!self-publish, sell through website (more $$)charge near-book ($8.95?) prices― Ryan Schreiber, Friday, January 17, 2003 9:19 AM (a wicked long time ago)
publish "concise edition" of pitchfork archive as large book-like magazine (such as "independent musician's resource") run with advertisements, update yearly, beginning with 2003
advantages:++content already there!self-publish, sell through website (more $$)charge near-book ($8.95?) prices
― Ryan Schreiber, Friday, January 17, 2003 9:19 AM (a wicked long time ago)
― cee-oh-tee-tee, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 02:31 (thirteen years ago) link
in clicking on that Pitchfork individual writers' lists, I see that though I voted in it (and submitted a list), it has been excised entirely. written out of the anals of pfork history, i guess.― beta blog
― beta blog
Just curious, who are you?
― I'm gonna mention ilxor in everyone of my posts until I get dn'd (ilxor), Wednesday, 6 October 2010 03:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Someone with an unbelievable voicemail from me blown six stories high.
― cee-oh-tee-tee, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 12:02 (thirteen years ago) link
god, i wish. changing phone companies meant losing that "restraining order-worthy" voicemail.
ilxor, try google.
― beta blog, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 15:27 (thirteen years ago) link
25. Organized Konfusion - Stress: The Extinction Agenda dunno how this measures up to the debut, which is really solid
shakey it more than measures up, classic shit iMO
― 50.bison (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 6 October 2010 15:29 (thirteen years ago) link
Gotcha. Hi there!
xp
― I'm gonna mention ilxor in everyone of my posts until I get dn'd (ilxor), Wednesday, 6 October 2010 15:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Dude I'm sorry about that for what it's worth. I hope you found the headspace to laugh it off.
― cee-oh-tee-tee, Thursday, 7 October 2010 00:35 (thirteen years ago) link
no worries. i'm more pissed that i didn't make an mp3 of it for the internet to enjoy.
― beta blog, Thursday, 7 October 2010 15:52 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm sure this has been covered on one of the Disco Inferno threads but I'm interested to know how highly Ned rates Technicolour? I know he and most people seem to prefer DI Goes Pop but having In Debt in the list and not Technicolour is really surprising. I really rate DI Goes Pop but I love Technicolour so much more.
I was shocked to see Menswe@r so high. I was obsessed with that band at the time even to the point where I bought the second album. I recently put Nuisance on and was disappointed at how much I wanted to skip.
― Kitchen Person, Thursday, 7 October 2010 16:20 (thirteen years ago) link
I really rate DI Goes Pop but I love Technicolour so much more.
^^
― I'm gonna mention ilxor in everyone of my posts until I get dn'd (ilxor), Thursday, 7 October 2010 16:28 (thirteen years ago) link
Technicolour is what it is. I feel strangely neutral about it.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 October 2010 16:50 (thirteen years ago) link
OMG this thread.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 12:31 (seven years ago) link
Memories, corners of mind.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 12:37 (seven years ago) link