The High Llamas: C or D?

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hawaii can be kinda oppressive and one-note if one hears it all at once. it's OK to put on in the background and forget about it. one plus: in the USA, it came with a bonus disk which had the very nice "it might as well be dumbo" and a good cover of nick drake's "at the chime of a city clock."

gideon gaye is perfect winter's time music, i found. perfect for when yer snowed in, can't get outdoors, and all you can do is watch the snow pile up against yer window and drink warm tea. which might be the point. and it was made for some ridiculously low amount of money (like $10K?) if i remember correctly, which makes it even more of an achievement.

Tad (llamasfur), Monday, 8 September 2003 02:26 (twenty years ago) link

i like snowbug. i thought buzzle bee was not much good, except for "the passing bell." only listened to new album once--not impressed, but will give it a second go.

seanp (seanp), Monday, 8 September 2003 16:57 (twenty years ago) link

'snowbug' is the only one I own, I like it fine.

RJG (RJG), Monday, 8 September 2003 16:58 (twenty years ago) link

for me "hawaii" is a beautiful record & their best.

the couple of times i've seen them live were among the best shows i've ever seen by anyone.

Dallas Yertle (Dallas Yertle), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 08:45 (twenty years ago) link

I'd just like to agree with Harvey (and Nicky) and thanks Harve for that link.

Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 09:26 (twenty years ago) link

nobody's mentioned 'Apricots'? I kinda like it. Much more starightforwatd sardonic pop in the Steely Dan/Squeeze vein. I think they lost it after 'Buzzy Bee' or whatever it was called. Meandered down the avenue marked 'Kraut-surf'.

laticsmon, Tuesday, 9 September 2003 10:52 (twenty years ago) link

They are dire except for some of Gideon Gaye which is just about tolerable. Hawaii is one of the worst records I've ever heard.

Microdisney's 1st album (what's it called 'Everybody is Fantastic' or something?)is utterly classic - once or twice a year I'm convinced that 'Sun' might just be the *best thing ever*. Possibly the best lyrics too.

I loved the songs on 'Clock Came Down...' but prefer the Peel versions of 'Loftholdingswood' etc etc. All great stuff. I didn't really like the last couple of MD albums and The Fatima Mansions were almost as bad as the High Llamas.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 12:35 (twenty years ago) link

fatima mansions are crap. the only microdisney stuff i've heard is 'gale force wind' and 'town to town' which are both great despite their hideous 80s production

the surface noise (electricsound), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 12:38 (twenty years ago) link

Both the Fatima Mansions and the High Llamas win my approval, but I've never once been tempted to search out Microdisney.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 13:51 (twenty years ago) link

You wouldn't like them Ned.

Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 14:04 (twenty years ago) link

B-but Ned likes EVERYTHING.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 14:08 (twenty years ago) link

No he doesn't.

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 14:34 (twenty years ago) link

I was about to say.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 15:24 (twenty years ago) link

High Llamas - Have their moments. Search "Travel", their first (?) single which is as sweet an example of ba-ba-ba pop as I know.

Fatima Mansions - have a few more moments, one or two per record and pretty much the whole of Bertie's Brochures is good.

Microdisney - have even more moments, their last album I always think of as a lost classic but I only have it on a tape that doesn't work anymore so this may be nostalgia talking. "Rack" is my favourite song by them FWIW.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 15:35 (twenty years ago) link

There are moments on Gideon Gaye where I hear myself saying 'This is what the Beach Boys were aspiring to.'

Daniel (dancity), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 21:46 (twenty years ago) link

And then you hear a croaky voice in the background saying "And if it wasn't for that pesky meddling Mike Love I would have got away with it too! Oh, and the drugs."

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 22:19 (twenty years ago) link

Duassic! They have their moments, but on the whole don't offer much.

I always wanted to get hold of the tapes of the material Sean O'Hagen was arranging for Brian Wilson and Andy Paley, has anyone ever heard these tracks (or knows where I can get them from?)

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 00:54 (twenty years ago) link

I don't think Sean ever actually got round to recording with the Beach Boys. The plan -Bruce's plan- was to record a "reunion" LP with Brian/Carl/Al/Mike/Bruce using Brian's Paley/Wilson collaborations as the songs, produced and arranged by Sean. Bruce was (is?) apparently a huge fan of the Llamas. Sean was obviously very excited about the prospect, but it didn't take long before he was put off by the endless bickering & layers of red tape he had to wade through, not to mention Mike's snide-y "you're a faggot"-style comments. So he jumped ship not long after, and who can blame him? Shame, it would have been a very very good record indeed.

Chew: if you don't have the Paley/Wilson demos, email off board & I'll see what I can do. Patchy, but moments of greatness.

harveyw (harveyw), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 11:49 (twenty years ago) link

i was gonna say, didn't mike love call sean o'hagan a "faggot" or something? why does the good Lord keep mike love alive, but lets folks like warren zevon die (not that i was a big fan of mr. zevon's music, but he was certainly a better human being than mike love is).

Tad (llamasfur), Thursday, 11 September 2003 05:37 (twenty years ago) link

i just bought Cold and Bouncy for US$2 found in a bargain bin, and i'm just listening to it now.
the songs sound drippy lazy like Hawaii a bit, but all those synth noises/ kraftwerk samples, they seem to be much more foreground, and perhaps as the foil for the strings, and i think they actually inter-chime with the muzak-like ambience in quite interesting ways. the noises are performing a dance with the lush otherness and hopefully they'll save the album from that.

i like stereolab for the synths, bass, drums, horns, strings, disco, more synths, vocals, guitar, probably in that order, but at least all at once
i can see now that 'lab had the tunes and rhyhtms, while o'hagan provided plenty of atmosphere. since there's only so much from the 'lab and i dunno, maybe that's it anyway, which would be very sad as i think they were going in a great new direction, having somewhat jettisoned the guitar rock or at least made it sound like something other than guitar rock, the tragic forced exit of some of the bubble-vocals would make for an interesting album made more of semi-instrumentals i reckon.

anyway i can hear all those noises on this later llamas record, and if the songs themselves make me think of paul mccartney, with all the best intentions and hand-picked band etc. etc., this makes me think that the greatest music from these guys does still boil down to the mandatory good harmonic tune, so i think the llamas-lab axis should continue, with all those noises included. maybe a new band, tripartite songwriting.

george gosset (gegoss), Thursday, 18 September 2003 19:58 (twenty years ago) link

george i couldn't agree with you more.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 18 September 2003 20:37 (twenty years ago) link

one month passes...
Damn, there were vocals on that?! ;)

Just bought Beet, Maize & Corn. Just finished listening and it seems like I just put it on. Beautifully done background music. Emphasis on background. To give it some credit, I think it would make for great baby-making music. It evokes springtime to a T.

Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Saturday, 25 October 2003 16:51 (twenty years ago) link

Thankfully, it's only 40 mins. long!

Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Saturday, 25 October 2003 16:54 (twenty years ago) link

Classic, especially the swishy meanders through Cold and Bouncy and Snowbug. And because my first date with my future wife was at a High Llamas performance at the Victoria and Albert Museum's LATER night !

darren (darren), Sunday, 26 October 2003 19:54 (twenty years ago) link

two months pass...
Has anyone else heard Beet, Maize, and Corn? I'm thinking about seeing them live at the end of Feb., but I haven't heard the new material yet. Is it worth picking up? I have to admit, when I heard that the drums and electronics were almost entirely absent, I became wary, but jeez, I'm listening to the Beach Boys' Smile right now and loving it...

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 23 January 2004 20:33 (twenty years ago) link

I was thinking about this too; they're playing the Troubadour ...

dean! (deangulberry), Friday, 23 January 2004 21:10 (twenty years ago) link

Beet, Maize, and Corn is great.. for those of you who missed the days of Gideon Gaye and Hawaii... which I did.. sorely.

If O'Hagan brings a small orchestra with him, I'll gladly hop along and see the Llamas when/if they come to town. I saw them many years tour for "Hawaii", and it was absolutely amazing. Later, I saw them tour for "Cold and Bouncy" and it was... well, not amazing.

donut bitch (donut), Friday, 23 January 2004 21:16 (twenty years ago) link

Beet, Maize & Corn is the new "Skylarking" with bossanova bits.

wuperetta, Saturday, 24 January 2004 00:23 (twenty years ago) link

"Beet, Maize & Corn" is fantastic... beautifully wistful stuff. I do think a pared-down, live instrument sound is most effective for them, although "Snowbug" (tinged with exotica that one) is excellent and the best of their previous 3 records. BM&C actually seems the most subtle, refined HLs album since "Gideon Gaye" and is possibly even more cohesive (and a very concise 40 minutes) than that. A regretful, very English sound this time... must be a lot to do with the mournful brass.

*Highly recommended*.

Tom May (Tom May), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 01:32 (twenty years ago) link

but.his.voice... love the instrumentals but i really have nothing but contempt for that paper-thin voice.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 01:38 (twenty years ago) link

I think it works well in context; certainly does it little harm. His very undemonstrative voice is really part of that singular High Llamas sound.

Tom May (Tom May), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 01:41 (twenty years ago) link

hey, i liked cold and bouncy!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 01:42 (twenty years ago) link

"Cold & Bouncy" is certainly good at least, but not really that consistent. Not quite as beguiling as (the admittedly also inconsistent, overlong) "Hawaii", as far as I recall.

Tom May (Tom May), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 02:11 (twenty years ago) link

eight months pass...
I just felt tempted to throw on "Might As Well Be Dumbo", the (aforementioned) lead track on the Hawaii bonus track -- and it's fantastic. No thin voice, no indebted arrangments or anything -- just a really swell melody. Think I'll play it again...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Saturday, 16 October 2004 02:37 (nineteen years ago) link

'Beet, Maize and Corn' was totally my soundtrack for Autumn '03. Time to dig that disc out again, I think. It really works most splendidly against a backdrop of red and gold leaves.

retort pouch (retort pouch), Saturday, 16 October 2004 02:55 (nineteen years ago) link

'Hawaii' made my wife fly into a rage. Something about the slowness and repetition of it really got on her tits.

retort pouch (retort pouch), Saturday, 16 October 2004 03:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Wow! Needless to say, it's...not really that kind of record. Interesting.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Saturday, 16 October 2004 03:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, really. I was surprised at the violence of her reaction to it. I should play some Brian Eno for her, just to see what happens.

retort pouch (retort pouch), Saturday, 16 October 2004 03:17 (nineteen years ago) link

'Beet Maize and Corn' is beautiful.

definitely a favorite disc of mine.

reo, Saturday, 16 October 2004 03:32 (nineteen years ago) link

They have a good album and you fools haven't touched on it. It's called Buzzle Bee. Beets Maize & Corn is boring.

god of rock, Saturday, 16 October 2004 04:22 (nineteen years ago) link

i hold every wrong opinion re: HL

utterly classic
search: almost everything, *especially* Buzzle Bee, think S O'Hagen was the 2nd best thing that ever happened to Stereolab,(John McEntire being the 1st- wrong wrong wrong)
destroy: Gideon Gaye

and the student has become the teacher - Brian who?
-said for effect

tremendoid, Saturday, 16 October 2004 04:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Gideon Gaye's pretty good, you should give it another shot.

hstencil (hstencil), Saturday, 16 October 2004 04:28 (nineteen years ago) link

I will, actually - I sold GG a long time ago(gave it a good chance when I had it, however)

tremendoid, Saturday, 16 October 2004 04:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Buzzle Bee? Ugh, that's so not their best work.

jaymc, Saturday, 16 October 2004 07:21 (nineteen years ago) link

think S O'Hagen was the 2nd best thing that ever happened to Stereolab

this i agree with, Sean's arrangement work is by far is greatest strength, and he's feckin good at it. Buzzle Bee is no more or less dull than most of the HLs stuff.

the surface noise (slight return) (electricsound), Saturday, 16 October 2004 07:26 (nineteen years ago) link

"Giddy And Gay" and "Checkin In And Checking Out" were excellent songs. They have their moments otherwise too, but way too often they seem stuck in the elevator with Ray Conniff and James Last.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Saturday, 16 October 2004 15:28 (nineteen years ago) link

jaymc, grow ears--it so is their best. The rest of their crap before it is boring wannabe Beach Boys snooze, and everything else is just unlistenable, like a baby playing with a synthesizer. Maybe interesting when it came out but it hasn't aged well.

god of rock, Saturday, 16 October 2004 17:02 (nineteen years ago) link

The first track on Santa Barbara is fantastic Steely-fun, as I recall...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Saturday, 16 October 2004 19:19 (nineteen years ago) link

two years pass...
New record: Feb 20. "Can Cladders." Looks like it is 'out there'- anybody heard it?

bangelo (bangelo), Thursday, 25 January 2007 22:35 (seventeen years ago) link

I got me a promo--it is fantastic! Obviously, there are great string arrangements and beautiful melodies galore--the main difference this time around is the addition of some soulful female backup vocals, which work surprisingly well. Very nice. I love this band.

Tyler W (tylerw), Thursday, 25 January 2007 23:18 (seventeen years ago) link

^ Definitely. That may be my favorite sounding Llamas track since Buzzle Bee (which is 24 years old!)

mizzell, Tuesday, 28 November 2023 14:49 (four months ago) link

Seems that’s the mission statement here:

https://i.imgur.com/CTVsgVG.jpg

afriendlypioneer, Tuesday, 28 November 2023 14:59 (four months ago) link

Some great llama hate posts earlier in this thread. Very funny idea to me that Hawaii could drive you mad, that's just excellent

― H.P, Friday, November 24, 2023 6:51 PM (four days ago) bookmarkflaglink

Depends upon what you mean by 'mad'. Hawaii is notorious in my world for being the album I was listening to that one time when I briefly lost my ability to understand English. Okay, sure, I might've been on something at the time. But I can still hear the incomprehensible string of random phonemes that comprised the lyrics to 'Nomads' as clear as a bell.

It is a disgusting... (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 28 November 2023 15:24 (four months ago) link

“Hey Panda” is so good. I was unconvinced on my first listen but it’s not left my head. I’ve had a few more listens and I like it more each time. Sean has a way with chords and nifty little sounds. He pieces everything together so well.

afriendlypioneer, Wednesday, 29 November 2023 23:27 (four months ago) link

Nomads lyrics were incomprehensible to me even without being on something. Literature is fluff to nomads is such a great one-two punch. I’ve been pumping Hawaii on my daily morning drive to the beach with dog and it’s really a wonderful way to start the day

H.P, Wednesday, 29 November 2023 23:33 (four months ago) link

Their lyrics are like Steely Dan with the obliqueness maxed out.

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Wednesday, 29 November 2023 23:37 (four months ago) link

It’s a very good album. The tracks are lil impressionistic paintings, with the lyrics. That’s the High Llamas way. I think Sean writes pretty evocative lyrics and clearly knew his strengths weren’t the same as Cathal’s.

afriendlypioneer, Wednesday, 29 November 2023 23:38 (four months ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ktv4ATNdGyU

Enjoying this lesser known Sean O' album today. It's so nice. He makes very good sounds.

afriendlypioneer, Friday, 1 December 2023 17:10 (four months ago) link

wow what the hell is "hey panda" (in a good way). the only reference point i have for this is like, lambchop's this (is what i wanted to tell you) (which i adore). it's not as good as that but i'm very intrigued

ufo, Saturday, 2 December 2023 02:04 (four months ago) link

He did a song with his daughter a couple years ago that foreshadowed this new direction. I really dig it - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KF1X_N4wraY

afriendlypioneer, Saturday, 2 December 2023 17:41 (four months ago) link

one month passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNWxJWAlrtM

afriendlypioneer, Friday, 19 January 2024 14:59 (two months ago) link

\m/

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 19 January 2024 17:22 (two months ago) link

new Cabane record is up on Bandcamp and flying out (vinyl only). self-released again, so may be one pressing of 500 like the first (thought they did do CDrs).

https://cabanemusic.bandcamp.com/album/br-l-e

bulb after bulb, Thursday, 25 January 2024 23:41 (two months ago) link

four weeks pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YekklReDLPI

I love it.

afriendlypioneer, Friday, 23 February 2024 11:55 (one month ago) link

It’s so good. A repeat listen since the first upload. Just lovely in every way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YekklReDLPI

afriendlypioneer, Saturday, 24 February 2024 18:25 (one month ago) link

The High Llamas in conversation and playing a few tunes from Hey Panda + signing LPs and CDs at Rough Trade East on 3rd April. Ticket price includes the album in the physical format of your choice. Tickets on sale now via DICE.

Hint from Sean on Instagram of some proper live dates later on.

Jeff W, Monday, 26 February 2024 12:25 (one month ago) link

9/10 in Uncut.

Haven't seen the Llamas get such a high score from the press in a long while.

Though they're all 9/10s to me.

afriendlypioneer, Thursday, 7 March 2024 18:30 (one month ago) link

Looks like Drag City is about to re-issue the Llamas back-catalog, beginning with Hawaii.

afriendlypioneer, Tuesday, 12 March 2024 14:48 (one month ago) link

Actually, I think beginning with Gideon Gaye. I keep forgetting about Gideon Gaye, which is also an excellent album.

afriendlypioneer, Tuesday, 12 March 2024 14:52 (one month ago) link

Looks like Drag City is about to re-issue the Llamas back-catalog, beginning with Hawaii.

― afriendlypioneer

This is great news. I've been hoping they would do this for years.

kitchen person, Tuesday, 12 March 2024 15:14 (one month ago) link

two weeks pass...

I am so hyped for the new album. All the reviews I'm reading make it sound very interesting.

afriendlypioneer, Wednesday, 27 March 2024 17:19 (three weeks ago) link

With a title track that references Sean O'Hagan's obsession with a carrot eating panda he watched on TikTok during lockdown, it's clear The High Llamas are leaning into mass culture on this one. 2016's 'Here Come the Rattling Trees' was still indebted to the '60s pop and exotica that had shaped the band's entire output up to that point, but here they sound driven by a different beat. O'Hagan's voice is often distorted by AutoTune - on 'The Water Moves' he sounds like a sunnier Rainy Miller, and on 'La Masse' he croons over an interpolation of the Super Mario theme - and his accompaniments are bright, breezy and unashamedly electronic. There's still a trace of exotica, of course ('The Grade' is a great blend of cruise-liner pop and contemporary R&B), but The High Llamas have evolved.

'How the Best Was Won', a duet with Bonnie "Prince" Billy, is probably the most striking deviation. Anchored by a skittering trap beat (really), the track comes off like Jeremih singing country in the style of blue-eyed soul, with a chorus that might be the theme from a children's song. It's not even the only Will Oldham collaboration either; the fabled folk revivalist crops up again on 'Hungriest Man', a cybernetic Dylan-alike that's best compared with Bon Iver's quirkiest cottage rap. It's all good fun, and when it works, 'Hey Panda' is effortlessly charming: 'Sisters Friends', a collaboration with Blackpool-born singer-songwriter 'Sisters Friends' sounds like Steely Dan jamming with T-Pain, if you can imagine it.

https://boomkat.com/products/hey-panda

afriendlypioneer, Wednesday, 27 March 2024 17:19 (three weeks ago) link

Isn't "when it works" Boomkat code for "buy something else"?

djh, Wednesday, 27 March 2024 21:31 (three weeks ago) link

There’s other positive blurbs out there, just liked the way they described it.

afriendlypioneer, Wednesday, 27 March 2024 21:40 (three weeks ago) link

Listened this morning.

Probably the most experimental Llamas album. Surprising lack of strings though production is busy and I may have missed some elements

Will Oldham is great. They should collaborate more. Old posts in here complained about Sean’s thin voice and his presence adds a new element.

It’s also fun and weird. Great late era album from one of my all time favorite artists.

afriendlypioneer, Thursday, 28 March 2024 13:16 (three weeks ago) link

It's going to take me a while to wrap my head around this album, was not expecting this direction, had more or less given up on new music from them altogether. It's strange hearing all these electronic elements after they pretty much abandoned that aspect of their music for the last 20 years.

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Friday, 29 March 2024 19:23 (two weeks ago) link

this owns

ciderpress, Saturday, 30 March 2024 01:53 (two weeks ago) link

i like this but am still not entirely sure what to make of it, it's wild

ufo, Saturday, 30 March 2024 23:41 (two weeks ago) link

it is equally irritating and compelling?

ufo, Monday, 1 April 2024 13:13 (two weeks ago) link

It's oddly the most personal album Sean's made. Some of the lyrics are actually about feelings & thoughts. Granted, I read a couple interviews for added context, particularly this one - https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/music/2024/03/30/sean-ohagan-that-lovely-beautiful-humanity-i-had-with-cathal-coughlan-in-those-later-years-was-amazing/

I really like it.

afriendlypioneer, Monday, 1 April 2024 14:31 (two weeks ago) link

Best HL album since Gideon Gaye. I'm surprised by how much I'm liking this and I generally hate autotune but the Bonnie Prince Billy tracks are really effective. "Sisters Friends" has really grown on me too. He seems to have finally shaken off his Beach Boys obsession (although traces are still there of course). Sounds contemporary but still with enough avant pop leanings and nifty chord changes to make it distinctively O'Hagan.

Saxophone Of Futility (Michael B), Saturday, 6 April 2024 12:29 (one week ago) link


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