Dave Matthews Band : Name Your Reasons Why They Are So Bad & Hated.

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I remember reading an interview with him once where he was talking about how much he loved oral sex and how he could survive by just drinking/eating? the fluids of women. I say eeewwwwwww? I mean oral sex is a-ok in my book but between his comments of bowel movements and just the thought of his big assclown head shoved between some poor woman's legs...shudder.

― Carey (Carey), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:59 (10 years ago) Permalink

group named after its leader is usually bad. Dave Matthews is such a nothing name to begin with. We like to call them/him the "Dave Matthews," just as it's fun to refer to the "Medeski, Martin and Woods" or the "Sonic Youths." Or for that matter the "Ya La Tengos, they are my favorite band!"

― Edd Hurt (delta ed), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:06 (10 years ago) Permalink

sum-41 video to thread!

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:08 (10 years ago) Permalink

"He wouldnt have such a rabid cult fanbase if he wasnt any good."

I KNEW the fraternity system is a cult!

― Nick A. (Nick A.), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:08 (10 years ago) Permalink

So, I'm the only person on here that really likes the Dave Matthews Band, then?

― Evan (Evan), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:09 (10 years ago) Permalink

No no no.. We all love him.

― dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:11 (10 years ago) Permalink

right. this is all constructive criticism here, we just want him to be EVEN BETTER. or better yet, something else.

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:17 (10 years ago) Permalink

because hippies like him and i hate hippies.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:17 (10 years ago) Permalink

>or better yet, something else

like dead.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:26 (10 years ago) Permalink

Or mute.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:28 (10 years ago) Permalink

it's for his own good

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:29 (10 years ago) Permalink

and ours too.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:31 (10 years ago) Permalink

he sucks, huh?

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:37 (10 years ago) Permalink

I never understood all the 'Sounds like Hootie & The Blowfish and Sting" stuff. he sounds like neither. And its not like DMB has stolen any songs off him. DMB songs dont sound like anyone elses. Especially Hootie & The Blowfish.
Crash Into me and Space Between are 2 of the best songs written in recent years. Something Sting, Hootie or any of ILMers fave pop or indie bands could write(in my own personal opinion of course) I dont want to start fights. I just dont understand why he is so hated. But maybe thats because hes unknown over here in the UK. Most Americans seem to have an opinion on him.

― John McAteer, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:39 (10 years ago) Permalink

like a vacuum.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:39 (10 years ago) Permalink

Something Sting, Hootie or any of ILMers fave pop or indie bands could write

John Darnielle and Momus -- please write songs like Dave Matthews.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:47 (10 years ago) Permalink

McAteet: even the Dave Matthews fans I know think the Space Between is awful; why do you think he eventualy released the lillywhite sessions - becuz all his fans were bitching about how awful everyday (and in particular the space between) was. Dave Matthews came from the same circuit as Hootie and has the same fans, the only difference is that Darius Rucker has a better voice than Dave Matthews and they made the mistake of having their first album be an impossible to followup megaseller. I doubt there's a single article on the Dave Matthews from 95 that doesn't paint them as the 'new' Hootie.

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:49 (10 years ago) Permalink

...they made the mistake of having their first album be an impossible to followup megaseller.

To play devil's advocate (heh) for a second - how could they have "controlled" sales of their first alb?

― hstencil, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:50 (10 years ago) Permalink

Ping Pong's first track was about as deep as it needs to be, now just extend it seven minutes with bongos and play it at the appropriate speed for bong hits.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:50 (10 years ago) Permalink

...but without black people, he (Dave Matthews) wouldn't be funky!
Dave Matthews...funky.
I'm sorry, but this does not compute. Those two ideas are mutually exclusive.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:52 (10 years ago) Permalink

To play devil's advocate (heh) for a second - how could they have "controlled" sales of their first alb?

... Get Dave Matthews to sing on it.

― dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:54 (10 years ago) Permalink

hstencil - by not writing such incredible songs of course! take a cue from Axl (he pulled "Don't Cry" from Appetite to save it for the followup) and spread the love!

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:54 (10 years ago) Permalink

seriously, the label should've put the kibosh on videos and singles much earlier; same thing happened to alanis.

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:55 (10 years ago) Permalink

not sure that's the band's fault, esp. one as yokel-filled as Hootie. "Yes, Mr. A&R Man, anything you say!"

― hstencil, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:59 (10 years ago) Permalink

Just don't put the Kibosh on me!

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:01 (10 years ago) Permalink

The-guy-who-was-fired-from-Rolling-Stone-for-dissing-Hootie to thread

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:01 (10 years ago) Permalink

but Horace Mann's already here!

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:06 (10 years ago) Permalink

you think DeRogatis has the spare time to be...4th on the Users list?
Geez, am I lame.

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:08 (10 years ago) Permalink

Hey...where is this users list? You got me curious.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:09 (10 years ago) Permalink

I'm sure Dave Matthews and his band are perfectly nice guys, but y'know what? Their music is fucking * B O R I N G *.....which is, as far as I'm concerned, a worse crime that sounding like a muppet (which I don't hear at all). Dave Gedge of the Wedding Present sounds like Muppet, and I loved them. Dave Matthews Band (and...really, couldn't he have come up with a decent name for the band at least?) are just dull, dull and thrice verily dull.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:14 (10 years ago) Permalink

Oh, and I *REALLY* hate their fucking fans as well.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:15 (10 years ago) Permalink

...sounding like a muppet (which I don't hear at all).
Nope, hstencil is right. He has a Kermit T Frog kinda vibe going on. But then again, so does Hootie (granted, he drops his voice a couple octaves to hide his plush-felt interior.)

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:17 (10 years ago) Permalink

hating the fans is not a reason to dislike the music.

(come on alex you're a killing joke fan)

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:19 (10 years ago) Permalink

Bland, blander, blandest.

― Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:20 (10 years ago) Permalink

"hating the fans is not a reason to dislike the music."

Why not?

― Nick A. (Nick A.), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:20 (10 years ago) Permalink

cuz it makes you an asshole

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:24 (10 years ago) Permalink

do you know every single dave matthews fan? are they all idiots just becuz they like that brand of music? etc etc

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:26 (10 years ago) Permalink

Its not the band I hate,
its there fans.

(Im sorry couldnt be helped)

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:26 (10 years ago) Permalink

I hate the band, not the fans (I like girls who wear abercrombie & fitch).

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:29 (10 years ago) Permalink

There's at least one reason to like the Dave Matthews Band.

And it could be worse. You could be one of a dillion Athenians who flock to see DMCB. Yes, "David Matthews Cover Band".

― donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:30 (10 years ago) Permalink

(simon T is so gonna smack me.. again.)

― donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:31 (10 years ago) Permalink

VERY aware of the Dave Matthews Cover Band (they play the same clubs Dave Matthews used to play). I used to joke about starting a Dave Matthews Cover Band Cover Band, and I'd write RUN on their flyers above DMCB. What's kinda insane is I know people who prefer the DMCB to Dave Matthews (cuz they focus on the era of Dave before he sold out, etc.)

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:34 (10 years ago) Permalink

(when did Horace Mann = DeRo become accepted knowledge 'round here?)

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:53 (10 years ago) Permalink

You hate the band's fans??

???

That's like, you hate me.

― Evan (Evan), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 22:08 (10 years ago) Permalink

i think that the dave matthews band has descended into midtempo bore-rock for the past few albums, but those that insist that the group always has been boring (with lifeless production, etc) have likely not actually listened (with open mind) to Before These Crowded Streets, for instance - an album with enough darkness and life to defeat such criticism. it's not a masterpiece, but it's certainly not Hootie and the Blowfish. just ask the Kronos Quartet.

― Sean@tangmonkey (Sean M), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 22:25 (10 years ago) Permalink

I'll pass on asking the kronos quartet, thanks!

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 22:27 (10 years ago) Permalink

I was just gonna post how Kronos doesn't fit my description of "enough darkness and life," but you beat me to the punch.

― hstencil, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 22:33 (10 years ago) Permalink

"hating the fans is not a reason to dislike the music."

Fair enough, Coolio, but it certainly doesn't help their cause. I just happen to find the DMB's music *DREADFULLY, PAINFULLY, UNBEARABLY DULLLLLL*. Couple that with a nation of tobacco-chewin', hackey-sack punting frat boys zealously espousing the band's dubious skills and you have a whole new reason to hate the DMB. Does this mean that I think that *EVERY*one who likes the DMB is a slack-jawed, monobrowed troglodyte? Not necessarily, but to those who are on the fence about them, I'd say this --- RAISE YOUR STANDARDS! There's more fucking interesting music out there....seek it out before you settle for less.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 23:11 (10 years ago) Permalink

i don't think you read what I wrote - instead, you just made something up that you could make fun of. the kronos quartet doesn't scream "darkness and life" to me, either - but it "certainly" isn't an authority on hootie-style altrock yawners.

― Sean@tangmonkey (Sean M), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 23:12 (10 years ago) Permalink

I have met many Dave Matthews fans but I have never met anyone who chews tobacco AND hacky-sacks.

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 23:13 (10 years ago) Permalink

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Happy thread anniversary plus six days.

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 17 February 2010 19:37 (3 years ago) Permalink

has anyone heard his new cover of kashmir

― mookieproof, Wednesday, 17 February 2010 19:39 (3 years ago) Permalink

kash into me

― tylerw, Wednesday, 17 February 2010 19:48 (3 years ago) Permalink

what is like a good dmb album i like hte songs i kno

― plaxico (I know, right?), Thursday, 18 February 2010 00:48 (3 years ago) Permalink

― Don't delay, we cannot do this forever. (Matt P), Thursday, 18 February 2010 00:50 (3 years ago) Permalink

under the table and dreaming is ok

― Don't delay, we cannot do this forever. (Matt P), Thursday, 18 February 2010 00:51 (3 years ago) Permalink

dmb would be better if he hadn't gone back in time and stole john mayers voice and made it look like John ripped his off...

― Ballistic, Thursday, 18 February 2010 00:51 (3 years ago) Permalink

thats weird that u would say that

― plaxico (I know, right?), Thursday, 18 February 2010 01:03 (3 years ago) Permalink

has anyone heard that bootleg of him jamming with vernon reid and ikue mori? have to admit, it's got me thinking twice about DMB.

― by another name (amateurist), Thursday, 18 February 2010 01:11 (3 years ago) Permalink

What the HELL does it sound like??

― Ork Alarm (Matt #2), Thursday, 18 February 2010 01:16 (3 years ago) Permalink

cult of ants marching

― Ballistic, Thursday, 18 February 2010 01:17 (3 years ago) Permalink

ikue mori jams?

― plaxico (I know, right?), Thursday, 18 February 2010 01:18 (3 years ago) Permalink

what woulda been really awesome is if diamanda gala sang over it

― Ballistic, Thursday, 18 February 2010 01:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

and lil wayne (since he obviously wants to appear on every recording evar)

― Ballistic, Thursday, 18 February 2010 01:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

none of the Dave fanatics stuck around on the board did they?

― lukevalentine, Thursday, 18 February 2010 03:09 (3 years ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

from last night: dancing to dave matthews

― a tenth level which features a single castle (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 15 June 2010 02:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

9 months pass...

has the critical reappraisal of DMB on ILM started with that poll?

― Algerian Goalkeeper, Friday, 25 March 2011 20:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

As I sit on my couch recovering from last week's surgery and reacquaint myself with ILM after a looooong hiatus, I'm reminded that this thread (especially the first fifth) is surely a high-water mark of Western civilization.

― Clarke B., Wednesday, 25 May 2011 21:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

Ok... his voice is like nails on a chalkboard and he is gay

― Jordan Bass, Saturday, October 18, 2003 5:33 PM (7 years ago)

―  (am0n), Tuesday, 2 August 2011 21:03 (1 year ago) Permalink

6 months pass...

this thread ain't so big now

― corportate/Illuminati controlled (crüt), Friday, 3 February 2012 10:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

never forget

― fuck deathcore and metalcore (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 22:29 (1 year ago) Permalink

Which is WORSE: What Would You Say vs. Zombie

― fuck deathcore and metalcore (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 22:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

5 months pass...

Dave Matthews is one of rock's most underrated Pretty Complex Dudes – as horny as Lil Wayne, as troubled as Thom Yorke, able to growl "war is the most vulgar madness" like the American Sting he's always sort of been. He's got a beige-Baja-shirt rep and a black-turtleneck soul.

The first DMB record in more than three years (and the first in over a decade produced by Steve Lillywhite, who helmed their mid-Nineties albums) serves up the Matthews magic in all its musically tight, emotionally bumfuzzled splendor: from the sex-as-food funk-pop romp "Belly Belly Nice," to the relationship SOS "The Riff," where Matthews sings, "I don't know the man living in my head/If I don't know the woman sleeping in my bed," to op-eds against political apathy like the fragilely beautiful "Mercy."

Lillywhite's sympathetic production and the rich band interplay, steeped in New Orleans R&B, lithe jazz fusion and nimbly driving jam rock, make for uncluttered songs that at times recall Clinton-era glories (the elegant slow build of "Mercy" is just a hacky-sack flip away from 1996's "Crash Into Me"; it could've soundtracked the shit out of a Friends montage).

And yet, this is no nostalgia trip back to the quad. Even songs that luxuriate in strummy romantic escapism take midlife head-on: "I'm too old to wanna be younger now," the 45-year-old sings on the gingerly intimate "Sweet." He wears his grown-'n-grumpy honesty like a champ.

3 1/2 stars

― omar little, Sunday, 16 September 2012 05:14 (8 months ago) Permalink

the sex-as-food funk-pop romp "Belly Belly Nice,"

― omar little, Sunday, 16 September 2012 05:15 (8 months ago) Permalink

Has this guy hit the stage in his career now where even his fanbase don't really care about a new album?

― don't slip in mud (Matt #2), Sunday, 16 September 2012 07:57 (8 months ago) Permalink

Clinton-era glories

― catbus otm (gbx), Sunday, 16 September 2012 17:28 (8 months ago) Permalink

I remember reading that story about when his tour bus showered a boat in the Chicago River with sewage several years ago and thinking "ah, there's a metaphor for his entire career".

― The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Sunday, 16 September 2012 20:39 (8 months ago) Permalink

5 months pass...

Art!

http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2013/03/06/dave-matthewss-second-act-silkscreen-painting/

...great.

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 6 March 2013 22:17 (2 months ago) Permalink

emotionally bumfuzzled splendor.....

― m0stlyClean, Wednesday, 6 March 2013 22:24 (2 months ago) Permalink

alcohol-infused orange juice

― Donkamole Marvin (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 6 March 2013 22:29 (2 months ago) Permalink

this is no nostalgia trip back to the quad

― christmas candy bar (al leong), Wednesday, 6 March 2013 22:44 (2 months ago) Permalink

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