Fucking great, the BNP assholes are in this area...

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this actually is a good topic of discussion i guess. i don't think i'm aligned with many if any of BNPs believes. but haha comments like

I'm bothered by the BNP (who are also anti-women and have jumped on this "rights for fathers" thing to try and promote their own bigotry towards single mothers).

sounds like something a BNP would say about a muslim.

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 27 May 2004 10:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Incidentally, if anyone with a lot of free time today is REALLY bored and wants to come up with a post that answers Calum's "how am I misogynist?" question, the floor's all yours.

Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 27 May 2004 10:59 (nineteen years ago) link

i think CRW could rescue the thread by asking questions about the subject e.g. anyone else frustrated by bigoted neighbours lately? or whatever, tho i'm not sure he is interested in doing that. just yelling about how you hate racists is a bit 'well duh' isn't it?

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:00 (nineteen years ago) link

anyway calum, what sort of area do you live in (you don't have to say where) in terms of racial, religious, social and economic make-up? is it traditionally a stronghold for fringe right-wing groups or is this new and completely out of the blue?

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:00 (nineteen years ago) link

It's one of your fave areas Dave!

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:01 (nineteen years ago) link

markelyby this could be an interesting thread for a number of reasons so either contribute something or shut the fuck up and go away. and don't patronise me.

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:01 (nineteen years ago) link

haha i like the way pinkpanther is gently rebuffing all attempts to find out where the "ct forum" is.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:01 (nineteen years ago) link

i know it's in scotland!

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:02 (nineteen years ago) link

y'know, all two attempts.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:02 (nineteen years ago) link

i once saw calum put gin in his miso soup.

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Pash, I like the other forum, so I don't really want a load of ppl going there to cause havoc for him.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:03 (nineteen years ago) link

BNP's never made any progress in Scotland but it has a potential power base amongst Loyalists/ Orangemen

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:04 (nineteen years ago) link

I figured that was the case pink, don't worry abt it please!!

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:05 (nineteen years ago) link

that's what i'm thinking... hence the reason that i want to hear more about this rather than people just yelling the usual kneejerk calum-abuse (not that it isn't normally absolutely understandable). and why is wanting to find out about the stuff that bothers me a "nasty little cause"? i'd like that explained, too.

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:06 (nineteen years ago) link

I think the problem here Dave is Calum's other thread du jour 'can women be trusted to vote'.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Being a racist in Scotland is interesting if you also happen to be a Scottish Nationalist - you can hardly vote for the BNP can you? You just vote SNP instead!

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:09 (nineteen years ago) link

Dave - my area is actually full of retired people, and some youngsters but not many. It's not somewhere I'd have expected the BNP to rise up - especially since we have only about 4 shops and one is run by Pakistani family who are awfully nice and their shop has never been subjected to vandalism or grafitti or anything that might indicate a "warning sign". But then again, the place I live is sandwiched between two bigger, cosmopolitan towns and I'm thinking that the BNP campaigning may have spilled over to the village. But I never thought they got much credence in Scotland.

P.S. SNP is hardly a racist party.

CRW (CRW), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:11 (nineteen years ago) link

I didn't say the SNP was racist just that racists vote for it

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Well I'd argue that as well.

CRW (CRW), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:13 (nineteen years ago) link

go on then

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:14 (nineteen years ago) link

I remember when my sister - who likes in glasgow - was really upset when her so-called "left-leaning" scotnat "friend" got pissed up and started haraunging her - "all scotland's problems are because of sassenach cunts like you" etc etc. FFS. Petty nationalism = teh sukc.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Just on the basis of knowing/ have known a lot of SNP voters I suppose.

CRW (CRW), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:15 (nineteen years ago) link

well, the bnp have been working in rural areas and small towns for quite a while.

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Well is being anti-English racist? If so, plenty of SNP voters are racists

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:16 (nineteen years ago) link

I would say that many Scottish people feel angry towards the idiots down South who voted for four consecutive Tory governments, at the expense of us (who REALLY felt the brunt of it). If the Southerners weren't caring about what was going on up here, should Scottish people not have a right to vote for an independent country? (I say this without having any allegiance to the SNP BTW).

But I'm not sure SNP voters are anti-English any more than Tory voters are anti-Scottish (though I'd say that Tory voters have invariably never been outside Southern England).

CRW (CRW), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Plus, the postman delivered a bunch of election pamphlets thee other day, incl uk|p and b|\|p bumf (it went straight in the bin) he was royally fucked off abt delivering such stuff & said that last year he'd pitched all the racist stuff in a ditch. This year, head office watched them a bit more closesey. At the same time, letter deliveries in the uk are fukced up, as in these bike parts i ordered last week too 8 days to arrive from gosport, yet the postman is delivering election pamphlets wtf?

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Racist can vote for it. It is a Nationist Party. Scotland for the Sots. Now it may be primarily racist against the English, but nationalist parties tend to have some sort of ethnocentric bias which is easily assiminlated into a racist mindview.

Pete (Pete), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Again, I didn't say all SNP voters were anti-English, most of them aren't, some of them certianly are.

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:19 (nineteen years ago) link

"Don't patronise me" - biggest pot/kettle juxtaposition EVAH! How many times have you waltzed on to a thread and rubbished it?

Calum, if you're not happy about the BNP standing, vote against them and encourage others to vote against them. Stop ranting like a Daily Mail editorial.

Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Calum, if you're not happy about the BNP standing, vote against them and encourage others to vote against them.

100% OTM there, barry!!

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:20 (nineteen years ago) link

But until North Sea Oil and the advent of Thatcher, the vast majority of SNP voters were good old fashioned Anglophobes. They weren't nicknamed the Tartan Tories for nothing.

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:22 (nineteen years ago) link

"sots"?!

I recall reading a single article some years ago about how there was severe colour-of-skin based racism in Scotland, both in the cities and outside them. Its argument was that it wasn't spoken about because no-one wanted to make a noise about it esp since the people who might have made a noise about it are happy with the image of Scotland as a sound left-leaning country. But I've never seen anything similar since, was it a load of made-up nonsense?

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Daily Mail in anti BNP shocker?

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:23 (nineteen years ago) link

(though I'd say that Tory voters have invariably never been outside Southern England)

you should take a look at the stats before making such general assumptions, the north of england, particularly areas of the north west, was, and in parts still is, a bastion of support for the tories.

Vicky (Vicky), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:23 (nineteen years ago) link

i don't patronise people by saying "you obviously have brains" because in many cases i'm not sure that's true. i just tell them they're talking bollocks.

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:24 (nineteen years ago) link

It wasn't nonsense Tim, I certainly wasn't surprised by it in spite of the "Aren't we all great and friendly" rubbish you're bombarded with in Scotland - mega xpost!

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:27 (nineteen years ago) link

and if you have a problem with calum's other thread, address it there rather than screwing up one that couuld grow to be interesting.

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:27 (nineteen years ago) link

i don't like the use of the term 'racism' with regards to Scottish v English and vice versa but perhaps it's pedantic

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:28 (nineteen years ago) link

and tim, i've found scotland to be virulently racist when i've worked there. anti-english sentiment is not racist, it's regionalist and also has some grounds thanks to the powerstructure of the past few hundred years.

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:30 (nineteen years ago) link

That's sour.

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:31 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't consider Glasgow and its environs to have anything to do with the rest of Scotland. Where's Robbie Lumsden when you need him?

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:31 (nineteen years ago) link

and if you have a problem with calum's other thread, address it there rather than screwing up one that couuld grow to be interesting.
Was just guessing as to ppl's hostility Dave. Ppl's opinions may be that they have given him enough chances. This is not my opinion, but I understand if it is the opinion of other posters.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:32 (nineteen years ago) link

i've at times felt more uncomfortable being chinese in scotland than in england. but that may well be irrational, and it could be an away from home thing, esp since it's never an issue around where i live. and maybe because i mostly end up in bars with a lot of very drunk old people while in scotland.

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:32 (nineteen years ago) link

that was to markelby, pink

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:33 (nineteen years ago) link

it's always very difficult to take CRW seriously on ILX because of the majority of threads he has started. that's not to say this particular thread shouldn't be taken seriously.

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:33 (nineteen years ago) link

you can take the subject seriously without necessarily taking crw seriously. in fact the latter is impossible anyway.

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Stevem otm here.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:34 (nineteen years ago) link

thoust kannst not taketh seriousthly one whom doth talkth shit.

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:35 (nineteen years ago) link

well it doesn't exactly encourage him to start making decent threads if people just trash hime WITH THE VERY FIRST POST on threads that could be half decent, steve

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:35 (nineteen years ago) link

and dave s otm

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Multiple multiple xpost...
It is a disgusting area made up of some of Glasgows poorest herion addicts, shop lifters et al crammed together in high rise flats and the most ridiculous area to put vulnerable asylum seekers in.

How do you think the working/middle (i.e. those above the criminal classes you mention) classes would react to vulnerable asylum seekers being put into "good" areas, with nice houses and gardens? The redtops would have a field day with that one. Those in Sighthill may be exhibiting a nimby mentality, but then again many the poor bastards don't even *have* back yards. It's a ridiculous area for anyone to have to live in, whether they're fleeing oppresion or not.

Onimo (GerryNemo), Friday, 28 May 2004 09:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah - the idea that everyone in Milngavie or wherever would welcome asylum seekers with welcome, enlightened arms because they are not 'thick povvos' is kind of ridiculous.

N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 28 May 2004 10:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Sorry for the shit spelling.

Onimo (GerryNemo), Friday, 28 May 2004 10:06 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm reminded of a friend from school who lived in Beckenham (rich suburb full of big houses with swimming pools). A neighbour came round once with a petition against an Asian family who were planning to move into the street and bring down the area, or whatever.

N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 28 May 2004 10:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Gies Yer Jaekit

jed_ (jed), Saturday, 29 May 2004 21:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Beckenham is fucking awful for that kind of thing, Nick - that explains my instinctive distrust of newer posh suburban areas (see also Bromley) - I used to spend a lot of time with friends who lived round there and encountered completely unashamed racism in various polite middle-class pubs on a few occasions. Whatever you might say about the areas themselves, something like this would never happen in Brixton or Peckham.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Saturday, 29 May 2004 22:56 (nineteen years ago) link

It's interesting you make a point of saying 'newer'. Are you implying it's something about the areas themselves, or that they tend to attract the nouveau riche, and that they are worse for this sort of thing than old money?

N. (nickdastoor), Saturday, 29 May 2004 23:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Disclaimer - everything in this most is generalising madly. Do not attempt to call me out on it as I'm not sure I really believe it myself.

N - I might be. I dunno - I'm not proud of labelling areas or classes like that but it's been something I've noticed considerably more in 25 years of living round here.

Is it really such a leap to imagine that coupled in with the desire to move out of said urban areas is an attempt to get away from black/Asian people as much as it is an attempt to get away from all those working classes they're trying to get away from. The difference being that in all these areas - Beckenham, Bromley, I'll throw Essex in here as well, are on the outskirts of cities, on the fringe of more working-class areas like Lewisham or Walthamstow or wherever.

These areas are populated, generally speaking, by people who have moved out from their closest area of London - largely working class, largely beneficiaries of Thatcherism. So an Asian family is a symptomatic of everything my straw man trying to get away from?

This isn't to discount the fact that there are racists in Dulwich, Blackheath or Hampstead, but I've never noticed it being quite so overt as I have in, say, Bromley, where I once had to run up the high street to get away from some racist twats who tried it in a pub.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Saturday, 29 May 2004 23:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes, well Dulwich, Blackheath and Hampstead are all comparatively lefty rich areas. I wonder what areas like Kensington & St John's Wood are like for it. I mean, St John's Wood has got quite a few rich Arabs now. Our old house there was bought by an Arab family, and I know some neighbours didn't like the fact they they constructed huge security gates and the like, but yes, I guess there was some insinuation that that was part of wider impression that they didn't fit into the neighbourhood. I don't know if it would have been the same if they hadn't been Arabic.

Should people feel a duty to fit into a neighbourhood? Are there 'nice' aspects of neighbourhood that rely on cultural homogenity?

N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 30 May 2004 00:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Fuck, what am I doing here on a Sunday morning? Talking of BNP assholes, anyone read the totally unfunny (embarassingly unfunny) TV column by Charlie Brooker in the Guardian yesterday:

Poach Trisha from ITV and lock her in a windowless room full of clueless council estate scumbags

This cunt Brooker better pray he never runs into me - don't try it! But seriously, this kind of repulsive snobbishness seems acceptable among the "middle classes" these days, even in a liberal rag like the Guardian. Cunts.

Dadaismus (Dada), Sunday, 30 May 2004 07:43 (nineteen years ago) link

if you're depressed/fucked off by fascist activity at the mo, get out an DO something about it!

Unite Against Fascism - organising a nationwide campaign against the BNP around the June 10 elections ... www.uaf.org.uk
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lee b, Sunday, 30 May 2004 11:39 (nineteen years ago) link

perhaps Mr Brooker has encountered people on a council estate before that he felt were scumbags based on their attitude and behaviour - a horrible generalisation is sadly implied but otoh it's not a big leap, certainly not for the purposes of the 'joke' at hand. i agree too much about locking Trisha away to find it that offensive.

stevem (blueski), Sunday, 30 May 2004 11:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Hey, I like her.

N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 30 May 2004 12:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Backtracking a bit to the Sightbill asylum seeker discussion, a point that seems to have been missed is that there was a large amount of very cheap, empty housing available in the Sighthill/Springburn area because local residents would rather have stayed on the waiting list for something nicer than go into the tall flats (not surprising - although they've been done up a bit on the insides, the outsides are covered in supposedly pigeonproof netting and caked-on shit from the birds that made it through to roost on the balconies and when it rains the car park turns into a lake).

As far as I'm aware, there is not such a surplus of accommodation in Milngavie.

Madchen (Madchen), Sunday, 30 May 2004 14:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Anyone who appears on Trisha gives their demographic a bad name or risks appearing a cornholio prolio - it's kind of in the rules.

Madchen, it's always amazed me just how urgently needed and desirable high-rise flats suddenly become, usually by people who've turned down similar housing, when asylum seekers move into them.

suzy (suzy), Sunday, 30 May 2004 14:48 (nineteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
We got one of those B|\|P leaflets through the door with all the other election rubbish, the irony of it did not escape us….

As for the Royal Mail delivering this crud, well that’s the biggest irony of all, if only they’d done that last time around!

Plinky (Plinky), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 11:08 (nineteen years ago) link

hi plinky.

RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 11:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Er, hello RJG...

Plinky (Plinky), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 13:06 (nineteen years ago) link

I think it is a huge worry that racism seems to be on the increase thanks to Blunkett/ tabloid fueled paranoia about immigrants. It also, on the flip sides, puts the liberal press on the defensive meaning that ANY sort of valid debate about issues regarding religion (be it the suppresion of women/ circumcision et al) gets thrown out the window as taboo. So no one wins.

C-Man (C-Man), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 13:23 (nineteen years ago) link

three years pass...

Stelfox and Mark C = perfect additions to a Calum thread

Dom Passantino, Friday, 6 July 2007 08:50 (sixteen years ago) link

Can we bump Carmody's "I was watching videos of black men being lynched the other day, and that happened to remind me of Stelfox" thread?

Dom Passantino, Friday, 6 July 2007 08:50 (sixteen years ago) link

God I was a dick.

Mark C, Friday, 6 July 2007 08:57 (sixteen years ago) link

Ah, everything was overheated by then!

Mark G, Friday, 6 July 2007 09:02 (sixteen years ago) link

eleven months pass...

"If you can get someone that's so right-wing to be converted, then a normal prisoner is going to have absolutely no chance."

lololololololololololololol

DG, Saturday, 21 June 2008 09:13 (fifteen years ago) link

Nice to see some sympathy for the BNP upthread.

Noodle Vague, Saturday, 21 June 2008 09:14 (fifteen years ago) link

God I was a dick.

-- Mark C, Friday, July 6, 2007 9:57 AM (11 months ago) Bookmark Link

lawl

banriquit, Saturday, 21 June 2008 10:15 (fifteen years ago) link

one year passes...

my local asshole threatens national asshole with death

Ned Trifle (Notinmyname), Wednesday, 7 April 2010 08:49 (fourteen years ago) link

How are these clowns doing in Barking btw? Anyone seen any polls on that constituency?

Ladies and Gentlemen We Are Farting in Space (NickB), Wednesday, 7 April 2010 09:08 (fourteen years ago) link

According to...ahem...a Daily Mail article by Peter Oborne - "Local opinion polls show that BNP leader Nick Griffin stands an excellent chance of unseating veteran Labour MP Margaret Hodge". Don't know where he's getting his info from though.

Ned Trifle (Notinmyname), Wednesday, 7 April 2010 09:44 (fourteen years ago) link

... inside his head

Collectible Spoons of the 3rd Reich (Tom D.), Wednesday, 7 April 2010 09:47 (fourteen years ago) link


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