TS: Godfather vs Godfather II

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i always watch I & II back to back .

kephm, Tuesday, 16 March 2004 20:53 (10 years ago) Permalink

I love how effective that phrase is when not used between lovers.

cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 20:53 (10 years ago) Permalink

i hated the 2nd. i watch all 3 for the 1st time about 1 month ago.
there was too much going on i think it should have been 2 movies.
+ shooting fredo at the end ruined everything. it was worse than the 3rd.

dyson (dyson), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 20:57 (10 years ago) Permalink

Part II is just, well, boring!

Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 21:15 (10 years ago) Permalink

Can I just say: "Leave the gun. Take the cannoli".

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 21:20 (10 years ago) Permalink

I love how effective that phrase is when not used between lovers.

Yeah, right?

ModJ (ModJ), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 21:23 (10 years ago) Permalink

you broke my heart.

cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 21:27 (10 years ago) Permalink

I think the only film I've seen more often than I and II is The Wizard of Oz. But it's pretty close. If I'm flipping channels and notice one of the Godfather epics, I'll watch a scene or two or three, maybe four or five.
I liked the first one the best. Um, no, the second one. Wait a minute - the first one. Yeah, that's it. Aw damn.

jim wentworth (wench), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 03:56 (10 years ago) Permalink

I've never seen any of the Godfathers. (Or Goodfellas or Casino)

Even though I know the first is supposed to be the greatest film of all time and everything, I just have no desire to see it, but I can't figure out why.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 03:59 (10 years ago) Permalink

Pick up the book while you figure it out; it's a great pulpy read.

m.e.a. (m.e.a.), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 04:05 (10 years ago) Permalink

Weekend at Bernie's 2.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 04:18 (10 years ago) Permalink

5 months pass...
ok, so why does michael have a black mark on his cheek for the 2nd half of the movie?

kephm (kephm), Friday, 27 August 2004 17:47 (10 years ago) Permalink

maybe its just time to clean my television screen

kephm (kephm), Friday, 27 August 2004 17:50 (10 years ago) Permalink

Was this after the cop punched him?

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 27 August 2004 17:51 (10 years ago) Permalink

yes , this is what i thought, but doesnt a whole of time go by when michael is hiding out in italy?

kephm (kephm), Friday, 27 August 2004 17:54 (10 years ago) Permalink

His jaw never set back correctly.

Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Friday, 27 August 2004 18:00 (10 years ago) Permalink

ok, seems like an odd place to bruise, but that makes sense.

kephm (kephm), Friday, 27 August 2004 18:04 (10 years ago) Permalink

I prefer the first since it works as a stand-alone but II is possibly the best sequel ever (starts slow but has astonishing power by the end). As much as I love the catchphrases and moments that III gave everybody, it's embarassing that the thing exists.

CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 27 August 2004 18:05 (10 years ago) Permalink

Godfather II, if only for the Fredo breakdown scene in the conservatory.

57 7th (calstars), Friday, 27 August 2004 18:10 (10 years ago) Permalink

In Part I: the "I like to drink wine more than I used to..." part

In Part II: I always liked the end of Frankie Five Angels with Tom in the prison yard.

Jimmy Mod, Man About Towne (ModJ), Friday, 27 August 2004 19:03 (10 years ago) Permalink

I'M SMART!!!

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 27 August 2004 21:48 (10 years ago) Permalink

Ha, yeah. While Michael just ignores him.

Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Friday, 27 August 2004 21:49 (10 years ago) Permalink

they're both great, but I prefer the second one. Deeper in every way. I like the scene in Miami when Hyman Roth asks Michael if he watches the baseball...not so much, Michael says. And the way Lee Strasberg has his leg over the arm of the chair.

eddie hurt (ddduncan), Saturday, 28 August 2004 17:30 (9 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...
cozen is otm, wtf @ the plotting of II?

the deniro bits are straightforward enough. childlike, really.

but can anyone come out here and explain the rest of it?

there are two brothers michael is trying to shake down in vegas? and hyman roth is in cahoots with them, possibly? but hyman claims to be on michael's side?

they try to kill michael, and try to pin it on the old guy back from new york.

and then they try to kill that old guy, and tell him it's on michael's orders (this is confusing, because maybe it is michael!).

er, and at some undisclosed point the feds investigate the corleone family and they have to go to court.

i think i would have liked a godfather 1.5, in which vito and mo green (=bugsy siegel?) and hyman roth build up their empire of crime. i guess roth is coming out of chicago?

Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 09:49 (8 years ago) Permalink

they're both pretty overrated.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 11:59 (8 years ago) Permalink

II.

Brando's performance is mostly hammy crap. And if you ever see I in a theater, Diane Keaton's assorted hairstyles draw gales of laughter.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 14:51 (8 years ago) Permalink

morbius, what is the plot of II?

Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 14:52 (8 years ago) Permalink

i saw it last night. but seriously, what the fuck at the senate committee etc?

Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 14:52 (8 years ago) Permalink

JD OTM

Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:04 (8 years ago) Permalink

A man builds his family with murder, his son destroys it with murder.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:08 (8 years ago) Permalink

They really go a lot of convoluted ways to make that point though, in fairness.

Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:10 (8 years ago) Permalink

i'd rather they made it about organized crime really -- roth, ie meyer lansky, would be a good subject for a biopic. if 'family' is the plot of 'GF2', why fanny about with cuba and the senate hearings &c?

Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:25 (8 years ago) Permalink

They really go a lot of convoluted ways to make that point

Not compared to III!

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:27 (8 years ago) Permalink

This is heretical, but fuck it: Brando was 10 times funnier, warmer, and more human in The Freshman, in which he parodied Don Corleone.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:30 (8 years ago) Permalink

And Lee Strasberg is an ever bigger ham than Alex Rocco.

does "ham" mean "jew"?

kidding.

I loved Strasberg in 2, the scene where he's talking about Moe Green (Siegel), not getting a plaque and all that...

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:43 (8 years ago) Permalink

Alfred OTM

Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:43 (8 years ago) Permalink

"Brando was 10 times funnier, warmer, and more human in The Freshman"

right, but don corleone isn't a funny, warm, or human kinda guy.

Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:47 (8 years ago) Permalink

he's, you know, a crime lord.

Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:47 (8 years ago) Permalink

Yeah but in the Paulie-from-Goodfellas friendly neighborhood don type of way. He was no Michael Corleone.

Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:49 (8 years ago) Permalink

but he loves his grandkids! and he's such a lovable crime lord!

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:49 (8 years ago) Permalink

paulie is also a vicious psychopath -- they have paternal instincts, but if you go a few feet astray, they will definitely fuck you up.

Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:51 (8 years ago) Permalink

Yes but they're presented in a different light, I mean in a manner where it's like, "Yeah, those guys deserved to be fucked up anyway."

Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:53 (8 years ago) Permalink

Don Corleone didn't have a Komodo dragon!

Coppola himself says he could've done a smarter, more polished job on the first one (much of which he shot under rumor of being imminently fired).

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:57 (8 years ago) Permalink

i just like the first one a lot. i think the sinatra storyline is basically pointless, but it's a good crime saga.

Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:02 (8 years ago) Permalink

It's a fun Hollywood anecdote, if done better on SCTV with Candy as Johnny Pavarotti and John Marley as Leonard Bernstein.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:08 (8 years ago) Permalink

Both of them are kind of only ok though, the first is good for how hot Al Pacino was back then though. I think the first is overblown and really hammy, and the second is a complete trainwreck.

Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:38 (8 years ago) Permalink

Oh yeah, DeNiro didn't approach his later work in The Fan and Rocky and Bullwinkle.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:41 (8 years ago) Permalink

it took 30 years for jimmy caan to get round to 'elf'.

Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:54 (8 years ago) Permalink

Having a good performance in a movie /= making a good movie. Either DeNiro was completely and utterly unnecessary to that film, or the majority of the rest of the film was completely unnecessary. Hence "train wreck".

Also, his performance in the film is overrated anyway! Oh noes, DeNiro learnt Eyetalian!!! Oh noes! FILM OF TEH YEAR! etc. If he learnt Eyetalian, got fat, and shaved a mohawk into his head, now you'd be talking.

Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:56 (8 years ago) Permalink

I mean, I'm sure the performances in the new King Kong might very well be pretty great but if the script they're all working from resembles pudding, well, you're still fucked.

Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:57 (8 years ago) Permalink

tessio's yelp review was glowing iirc

christmas candy bar (al leong), Monday, 27 January 2014 18:32 (7 months ago) Permalink

The commenters up re seem to locate the barbershop in the St Regis Hotel, so all my fave noise enemies are invited there for a shave.

eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Monday, 27 January 2014 18:34 (7 months ago) Permalink

Being alive is the smart move. Tessio was always smarter.

clemenza, Monday, 27 January 2014 18:51 (7 months ago) Permalink

the stuff on page 2 about the tollbooths/AFB is great

goole, Monday, 27 January 2014 19:22 (7 months ago) Permalink

The Godfather. Only the Deniro part of the second movie are any good. I barely cared about Al Pacino's character at the end of the first movie why would I (or anyone else) want to struggle through half of another movie and ANOTHER whole movie after that. Blurch.

Really the best way to watch the first two movies is that 7 hour long thing (The Godfather Epic) they did for NBC where they put them all in chronological order and added an hour or so of outtakes, but I don't think that's available anywhere anymore.

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rip van wanko, Monday, 27 January 2014 20:01 (7 months ago) Permalink

every time I pass Old St Patrick's (maybe once a year) I get the urge to go in and reject Satan and all his works.

eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Monday, 27 January 2014 20:02 (7 months ago) Permalink

And settle all family business?

Ian from Etobicoke (Phil D.), Monday, 27 January 2014 20:03 (7 months ago) Permalink

"Really the best way to watch the first two movies is that 7 hour long thing (The Godfather Epic) they did for NBC where they put them all in chronological order and added an hour or so of outtakes, but I don't think that's available anywhere anymore."

I dig the ending on that edit where they use that unused scene with Michael coming back from WWII at Christmas time as the bookend showing the family together and happy.

The first one is a better stand alone movie, but to me it's all one piece in my mind as I have spent more than a few holiday's watching them back to back on TV over the years.

earlnash, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 01:01 (6 months ago) Permalink

that Christmas scene is in the official cut of G2, I do believe.

eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 01:22 (6 months ago) Permalink

Was just going to say that.

clemenza, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 01:23 (6 months ago) Permalink

It's been so long since I saw the 7-hour version, I can't specifically remember any of the added scenes. But I do recall that even the slightest change--a few extra seconds at the beginning or end of a standard scene--jumped out at me immediately.

clemenza, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 01:25 (6 months ago) Permalink

Brando wanted too much $ to be in it, but since they got Caan and the other dead folks they put it in anyway. xxp

eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 01:27 (6 months ago) Permalink

I def saw the Complete Novel in '77 before I saw II standalone.

eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 01:29 (6 months ago) Permalink

if it's the scene in which Michael announces he's enlisted it's in the original GII.

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 01:30 (6 months ago) Permalink

that's right, it's sposed to be '41 and he's back from Yale.

eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 01:37 (6 months ago) Permalink

have we ever discussed the Vito chronology? i think he's identified as nine in 1901 when he flees Sicily, so when the first movie starts he's 53?? Brando is made up and acts like 70 at least.

eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 01:44 (6 months ago) Permalink

The chronology in the three films is a muddle. So is costume and set design.

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 01:45 (6 months ago) Permalink

I like the eighties cuts of the disco-era GIII Andy Garcia.

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 01:45 (6 months ago) Permalink

Did discuss the questionable chronology of Mary Corleone's age on this or another thread--the character, as I figure it, is almost ten years older than Sofia Coppola in III. (Which is tied for the 83rd most questionable thing about III.)

clemenza, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 01:53 (6 months ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

clemenza, Monday, 19 May 2014 12:48 (3 months ago) Permalink

the prince of darkness

socki (s1ocki), Monday, 19 May 2014 13:16 (3 months ago) Permalink

Duvall:

What was Brando like?

This might sound like heresy to some: More right for “The Godfather,” that part, was the guy who starred in “The Sopranos.” [James Gandolfini] was more willing to play the pr—. Brando was more heroic. On the second day of filming, there was a makeup guy who came in the dressing room, saying, “He’s playing this like a kindly old uncle.” He was more romantic. But Brando was wonderful to work with. His scene with Al Pacino, he had a big sign in a tree. He was reading his lines. [Laughs] He was a master at reading those lines all over the place.

A picture went viral recently of you on the set with Brando’s lines attached to your body.

Yes! Someone pointed that out to me recently! Another guy, Luca Brasi [actor Lenny Montana], we’d have him take Brando’s lines away. And Brando would have to stop. We had him do his monologue to Brando then stick out his tongue and say, “F— you!” We put him up to it. It was good to have fun on the set, to keep it relaxed.

http://www.metro.us/newyork/entertainment/movies-entertainment/2014/05/16/robert-duvall-night-old-mexico-interview/

images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Monday, 19 May 2014 21:06 (3 months ago) Permalink

Wilford Brimley is still alive?!

Οὖτις, Monday, 19 May 2014 21:22 (3 months ago) Permalink

he's not THAT old... he was barely 50 when he did Cocoon.

Anyway, Willis:

“There weren’t a lot of contemporary mechanics introduced, like helicopters and zoom lenses. It was a tableau form of moviemaking, where the actors move in and out of frame, very straightforward. It was supposed to feel like a period piece… There was no discussion of lighting. I just did what I felt like doing. The design came out of the juxtaposition of the bright, cheerful garden party wedding that was going on outside, and the underbelly in this dark house. I used overhead lighting because the Don was the personification of evil, and I didn’t always want the audience to look into his eyes, see what he was thinking. I just wanted to keep him dark… (In those days) screens were so blitzed with light that you could see into every corner of every toilet and closet on the set. I’d always hear, ‘They have to be able to see it in the drive-ins….’ When the dark stuff started to appear on the screen, it seemed a little scary to people who were used to looking at Doris Day movies.”

http://thedissolve.com/news/2271-gordon-willis-1931-2014/

images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Monday, 19 May 2014 21:25 (3 months ago) Permalink

wilford brimley is only 79 years old, but he's looked 60+ since 'the thing'.

christmas candy bar (al leong), Monday, 19 May 2014 21:25 (3 months ago) Permalink

yeah I didn't realize he was playing so much older

Οὖτις, Monday, 19 May 2014 21:25 (3 months ago) Permalink

it was always weird to see such an ornery 26 year old shilling for quaker oats.

christmas candy bar (al leong), Monday, 19 May 2014 21:27 (3 months ago) Permalink

because the Don was the personification of evil

this is weird, i never felt like the godfather movies ever portrayed the don as the personification of evil! pacino certainly esp. in part ii but vito was always potrayed in a heroic fashion

marcos, Tuesday, 20 May 2014 13:51 (3 months ago) Permalink

yeah, i thought that was the most interesting quote. i prefer whatever movie Gordon Willis saw. altho he seems to be referring only to the scenes in which he's shadowed and distant.

(maybe the moment most suggestive of this is the dissolve (yes?) from Jack Woltz's screams echoing around his estate to Vito in repose)

images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 20 May 2014 18:53 (3 months ago) Permalink

Yes.

clemenza, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 01:27 (3 months ago) Permalink

well, except his eyes appear to be lit if closed there?

images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 03:38 (3 months ago) Permalink


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