Cornwall

*steps gently away with hands over ears*

Is grockles a Cornish term? or did it spring up in Devon?

My Cornish niece got married recently. I appeared to be related to half the village.

then dr vick's brother's children threw a surprise finn family moomintroll party JUST FOR ME, with lamps in the trees and pancakes and jam and cups made out of leaves and the king's ruby in a suitcase (= a rear bikelight) and a blood red full moon rising out of the sea as the stunning unplanned climax!!!

And yes, Dawlish is worthy of big cakes. I live at the top of that there cliff.

apparently some mad people dive off the esplanade railing into the rock pools

plymouth council has put up signs saying "nuffink to do w.us guv it's your lookout"

Actually Tim, you're right, it sucks. Let 'em have it.

(was walter potter related to beatrix potter? i hope so!!)

Bet that ooky place fits rather nicely on Bodmin Moor (a place which always gives me the creeps).

From the train even Teignmouth looks nice.

the museum is right next door to Jamaica Inn, which — in all the news stories abt potter — is described as the one which inspired D.Du Maurier, but may actually just have taken the name quite recently (so said the v.v.cynical local I wz visiting with). Anyway it is all souped up for OAP coach parties with a school-dinners type foodbar and would — I suspect — belong in Pumpkin Publog Hall of Infamy. The guy who served us had the best barman-as-cherry-lipped-poisoner manner and fake smile I have ever encountered: he said "What can I get you this lovely day?" but he fairly clearly meant "I shall kill you in the night and you shall see my face in your last agony"...

the outside wall is cornish tiling but the roof has been covered in this weird rubberised goop which looks like they're making a mould to recast it in plaster of paris

I've just looked at that Potter site again and it's the most horrible thing ever ever (though the photos of various siamese twin creatures are a bit compelling (haha SIAMESE CAT!) )

RAT WITH TUSKS!

Jamaica Inn = Authentic Tourist Trap = alright by me.

cornish hamlets have nice names: HATT and GANG were two

it means ant! I suppose tourists do swarm.

(oh btw tico tico, ptee and starry, dutch for woodlice = because of the smell)

Riding through Hackney on a no. 56 bus this evening I heard a man of about 60 telling his friend about his holiday. The holiday cost him 'ninety paand' and if you go to a nightclub in Newquay and miss the last bus it's 'ten paand' for a 3-mile cab ride. Something else cost him 'thirty six paand' but I couldn't catch what it was.

Anyway, revive, I'm going to Cornwall again THIS FRIDAY so let's talk about it and you can all recommend me fun things to do in and around St.Ives.

(Yes I know there was a bit of discussion on the places on the British coast holiday thread, but this is specific KERNOW thread so suggest specific Cornish fun pls.)

Anyone recommend a cottage to rent in Cornwall? For 2 people.

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Not at all, that's a proper language.

Thanks for the thoughts! Keep 'em coming, we won't get to everything but love to know what's out there. (We do have the Julian Cope book and have marked a few places from that for sure.)

Also, my wife requests more info on "modern architecture" as mentioned upthread.

don't start with grimspound abandoned village

Trying to remember the Cornish language bookstore people like

Not quite what I said, but Rubicund in Falmouth.

That'll be those brisk sea breezes.

Okay, here's the one thing you'll want to know about the Cornish language if you want to know anything. The word for music is "ilow." Which is a ghost-word, based on a misunderstanding and a typo, but it has been accepted since there was no other good candidate.

I love ilow

Also this storefront: https://cornish-language.org/kowsva-shop-at-heartlands/

Maybe you can bring me back a souvenir;)

Although I might just order online

Could get you one of those Cornish alphabet books.

We'll be down there in the summer, but taking kids to beaches mainly.
Jam before cream, btw, and I say that having grown up in Devon...

What are the good beaches?

Mark S is the best thing about Plymouth.

― Tim, Tuesday, 20 February 2024 18:41 (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

no longer true, they just found a v large unexploded ww2 bomb in a garden in keyham up beyond stoke village: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-68156374

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/339093341_Haunting_Vocabulary_and_Celtic_Lexicography_Towards_a_Taxonomy_of_Ghost_Words

With small people we have tended to minimise driving (and see friends nearby) so have only been to Rock, Harlyn, Mawgan Porth sort of areas, which were perfectly lovely but I imagine it's more lush the deeper into Cornwall you go - would love to explore more, and also revisit the Isles Of Scilly one day. My one memory of Land's End is my brother throwing up from car-sickness when we were kids...

I'd recommend any of the four great beaches at Newquay, but I'm a crude pleb who can't stand Julian Cope and don't gaf about cosmic leylines or whatever bollox he has wrote about. Get to the fucking chip shop at Towan after walking across all of them, tides permitting, and get attacked by seagulls while you eat - that's the real england!

lol taken under advisement

Trying to remember the Cornish language bookstore people like

There's a great bookshop in Falmouth called Beermoth (iirc) that has a bar and sells wonderful Cornish beer.

For coastal walks I can recommend Fowey > Polpero, finishing off at the Three Pilchards Inn for fish and chips and cider. It's a pretty tough up-and-down walk but with beautiful views.

If you really want to push the boat out, go to Burgh Island Hotel for a night or two, it's full-on 20s Art Deco opulence. Agatha Christie's "And Then There Were None" was set on a fictionalised version of the island. You get there on a Sea Tractor and there's a pub owned by the hotel on the island.

My only advice is not to bother with Land's End, one of the most disappointing tourist spots in the world.

do not trust satnavs if driving near Polperro, speaking from experience

Tim - if I'm driving down the m5 and want to make it just past Exeter before stopping for dinner with kids early on a Friday evening, is there anywhere you'd recommend that's not too far of a detour? pretty much any pub with food and room to stretch legs...

Sennen and Gwynver beaches are gorgeous - particularly out of season. There are loads along the north coast that are beautiful though - Harlyn, Holywell, Constantine, Porthcothan.

I'm not mad on the ley lines bollocks either but there's something about West Penwith. You can stand on headlands or alongside menhirs and look at 3000 years of history where little has changed. Not many places left like that in England.

Kinder - would I be right in thinking you’re planning to go north around Dartmoor rather than south? If so the Old Thatch at Cheriton Bishop was alright the last time I went, which was probably 20 years ago now.

These days I rarely make it west of the river Exe, mostly for special occasions like seeing Mark S and his UXBs. I’ll ask around a bit, see if friends or colleagues know any gems.

Recommendations from a local friend with kids: If you’re taking the southern route (ie A38 towards Plymouth) the Ley Arms at Kenn. If the northern (ie A30 skirting Okehampton) the Huntsman Inn at Ide.

I haven’t been to either but can advise that Ide is pronounced to rhyme with deed rather than died (the latter is how I pronounced it for many years).

thank you! yeah it'll be northern!

I’m told by other friends that the bit of the M5 near Exeter (esp the roundabout at Sowton) can get absurdly congested round about close of play on Friday nights FYI.

I couldn’t say whether their definition of absurd congestion and my London-centric ones are the same.

Urgh, thanks....