Second Edition by PIL was the blueprint for Nu-Metal

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Wouldn't all that make Led Zeppelin/most early heavy metal the blueprint for nu-metal? Like, old-metal led to nu-metal?

― adam, Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

are concert films with drag racing, private planes, and enchanted wizardry "rigourous"?

Besides, aren't all the zep lyrics about getting laid/not getting laid anymore?

― mt, Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Is "rigourous" perhaps the most meaningless adjective I've heard applied to pop music in quite a while (well, besides, "influencial")? Does anyone believe "rigourous" (or, "rigorous") has ever crossed Fred Durst's lips? "Um, that was okay guys, but this time let's do a little more rigorous! Again, with feeling! 1-2-3-4..."

― J Blount, Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

"aren't all the zep lyrics about getting laid/not getting laid anymore?" just like limp bizkit.

― J Blount, Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Sex appeal sacrificed in the name of "rigour"

Doesn't explain Linkin Park.

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

before you get really worked up, I do not actually believe that PIL is the blueprint for rap metal.

I did find certain similiarities between Limp Bizkit and PIL when I was listening this afternoon.

Is PIL Rap Metal for Snobs?

― mt, Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

No, it's dub for dilettantes

― J Blount, Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

PIL is Can for punks. (Wait, actually, isn't Can Can for punks?)

― Clarke B., Saturday, 4 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

i now understand and wuv rap metal

― mark s, Saturday, 4 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Calling it 'Second Edition' = you didn't buy it in the tin! (Old Chain Reaction 'feud' finally laid to rest haha!)

― Andrew L, Saturday, 4 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

can we send someone back in time to kill PIL before they release Metal Box?

― DV, Saturday, 4 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

mt didn't buy Metal Box = he was late to the party.

― Andy K, Saturday, 4 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

PIL were definetely INFLUENTIAL to nu-metal.

I don't believe this but I just wanted to say they were INFLENTIAL, Okay!

― Julio Desouza, Saturday, 4 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

No Second Edition is the blueprint for postrock ;)

― Ben Williams, Saturday, 4 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Or 'math'-rock

― Julio Desouza, Saturday, 4 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Andrew L, I was two years old in 1979. However, if I did have a copy from when I was that young, I would own every last one of you for the rest of Eternity. :)

So what were you listening to when you were in Diapers? I liked PIL, BITCH!!!!!

― mt, Saturday, 4 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

"White group takes elements from hipster "rebellious" genres of black and white music. Punk/Dub or Metal/Rap"

Isn't this like every band from the Carter Family to the Beatles to like every post-punk Brit act.

― Alex in SF, Saturday, 4 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I was born in 1979, and I have the CD version in a tin. Does that get me props?

Thought not.

― Nick Southall, Sunday, 5 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I finally figured out my fascination with ILM; it's the only place where being born earlier makes you cooler. It does, right???

― Sean, Sunday, 5 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

YEEEEEESSS!!

― mark s, Sunday, 5 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Has anyone else here had the experience of their Metal Box getting all corroded and rusty over the years? I don't remember leaving it out in the rain. Maybe I should buy some polish.

Also, why does the music speak mainly to a male audience? I knew loads of gal PiL fans, but admittedly, that was ages ago.

― Arthur Who Was 18 When Metal Box Came Out, Sunday, 5 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

mine is v.tarnished too :(

and it's always a nightmare getting the bastard discs OUT of the tin w/o scratching them: hoho very situationist lydon

― mark s, Sunday, 5 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

When I worked in used rekord store, most of the pil tinnies we got in were a bit rusty. The starnglers "Raven" w/ 3D sleever was cooler IMO (I still own a copy of that one, but have only PIL's 1st - on CD at that)

― Norman Phay, Sunday, 5 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

ten years pass...

no nu metal band could've come up w/ something like "death disco." just sayin'.

― get it on smang a gong (Eisbaer), Sunday, 23 December 2012 03:58 (eleven years ago) link

Old ILX threads are so weird.

― circa1916, Sunday, 23 December 2012 04:02 (eleven years ago) link

the new ones are much more academic and vetted of controversial opinions to pre-empt people from calling the poster a moron who doesn't know anything about music history and the nuances of every sub-genre.

― Poliopolice, Sunday, 23 December 2012 18:13 (eleven years ago) link

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