― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 16:22 (nineteen years ago) link
― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 16:26 (nineteen years ago) link
― Wooden (Wooden), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 16:27 (nineteen years ago) link
Sugar Ray made a lyrical allusion to Killing Joke's "Sanity" in "Fly" (by their own admission, I didn't pick that out on my own). And "When it's Over" is a perfectly acceptable pop song. Moreover, Mark McGrath is a serious music dork (ever seen him clean up on "Rock'n'Roll Jeopardy" on Vh1?), so respect is due.
Smashmouth are the OC XTC
This is woefully incorrect.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 16:27 (nineteen years ago) link
"Walking On the Sun", see also "All-Star""Fly"
Bad:
That blasted "Do It Again" remakeSingles that tried to recreate the groove and success of "Fly", with the possible exception of "Every Morning"
― Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 16:28 (nineteen years ago) link
― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 16:28 (nineteen years ago) link
My blood is BOILING!!!!!!
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 16:30 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 16:31 (nineteen years ago) link
― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 16:33 (nineteen years ago) link
― Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 16:33 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 16:34 (nineteen years ago) link
― Reed Moore (diamond), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 16:35 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 16:35 (nineteen years ago) link
― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 16:38 (nineteen years ago) link
I think the "Walking ON the Sun" keyb life was from Perez Prado, actually (not fucking Barry Andrews, who plays with more stealth and skill than those slackjaws in Smashmouth could ever fuckng muster).
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 16:40 (nineteen years ago) link
― Je4nne ƒury (Jeanne Fury), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 16:40 (nineteen years ago) link
― Reed Moore (diamond), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 16:40 (nineteen years ago) link
― ken taylrr (ken taylrr), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 16:41 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 16:43 (nineteen years ago) link
― Reed Moore (diamond), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 16:45 (nineteen years ago) link
― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 16:46 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC...so furious that now must go walk around the block to cool off. (va, Tuesday, 14 September 2004 16:48 (nineteen years ago) link
Sugar Ray: second the McGrath music dork comment. Like Sugar Ray or not, after seeing some r&r celebs left clueless on R&R Jeopardy, it was a pleasure seeing McGrath come across as an obvious music fan.
― Chris Hill (Chris Hill), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 16:56 (nineteen years ago) link
wanna back that shit up, dude? Have you heard a Smashmouth album? What is SO innovative, imaginative and original about XTC and what so NOT about Smashmouth? Use nouns please.
― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 16:58 (nineteen years ago) link
XTC were a frenetic Beefheart influenced pop-punk band who were quite original in many ways, then became Beach Boys/Beatles/psych influenced orchestral AOR pop. Also, Andy's and Colin's vocal timbre couldn't be further from Smashmouth singer guy's (Steve Harwell?).
Smashmouth are a decent 90s pop rock band with awful singles, the best of which ("Walking on the sun") rips off that one Perry & Kingsley song that begins one of their greatest hits collections.
XTC = Smashmouth or Sugar Ray just doesn't compute at all, Anthony. And I say this without actively hating either band.
Hell, XTC have far more in common with Sublime than the above.
― OAH SEA BICH, Tuesday, 14 September 2004 16:59 (nineteen years ago) link
― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 17:02 (nineteen years ago) link
― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 17:03 (nineteen years ago) link
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 17:08 (nineteen years ago) link
― comme personne (common_person), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 17:09 (nineteen years ago) link
hey! you can do it!hey! or they can do it to you!hey! you can do it!hey! or you can do itHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOeverybody get the club
In a game where you ride on a motorcycle and beat fellow cyclists with implements like cattle prods, lead pipes, and, of course, THE CLUB.
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 17:11 (nineteen years ago) link
― comme personne (common_person), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 17:11 (nineteen years ago) link
Yes, I have Fush You, Mang. Largely yawny Cali rock with makes the Surf Punks first record sound like No New York.
XTC, by contrast, took the adrenaline and aggression of Brit Punk and Ska and fused it into an entirely original hiccupy style that many have attempted to replicate (from Oingo Boingo through Skeleton Key), but have never matched. They also bothered to write amazing songs in the process.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 17:12 (nineteen years ago) link
(x-post)
― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 17:13 (nineteen years ago) link
― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 17:13 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 17:14 (nineteen years ago) link
Mark McGrath made clear on some I Love The Whatever show that he can drop all the original Pretenders' names at the drop of a hat.
(x-post) yeah cause smashmouth didn't mix rock and ska in their sound, uh uh no way. also how could they sound like another band? they weren't original or authentic!
― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 17:16 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 17:20 (nineteen years ago) link
oh yeah, that was Smashmouth i was talkin about
― ken taylrr (ken taylrr), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 17:21 (nineteen years ago) link
that doesn't quite capture how he responded. he responded by having a 5-minute-long meltdown/tirade, all caught on camera, that suggests he's a lot less secure with himself than the average pop star. the heckler won that encounter easily.
― fact checking cuz (fcc), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 17:22 (nineteen years ago) link
― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 17:23 (nineteen years ago) link
― My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 17:24 (nineteen years ago) link
― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 17:26 (nineteen years ago) link
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 17:29 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 17:30 (nineteen years ago) link
― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 17:31 (nineteen years ago) link
Anthony's wrong, though; Third Eye Blind is the band that sounds like XTC.
― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 17:34 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 17:35 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 17:37 (nineteen years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 17:41 (nineteen years ago) link
― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 17:43 (nineteen years ago) link
I always liked "Fly" tbqh
― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Thursday, 19 October 2017 14:53 (six years ago) link
pure fun throwaway song with no pretensions of being anything, and a nice guitar lick
― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Thursday, 19 October 2017 14:54 (six years ago) link
i do have to give Smash Mouth props for going with that 60s organ sound. they had a Vox Continental in their "Walking on the Sun" music video. that's pretty cool. and that was in the late 90s. this wasn't that long after Beck had a hit w the similarly 60s fetishizing organ riff for "Where It's At".
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau)
And before Smashmouth there was Edwyn Collins with “girl like you”.
I do love those 60’s organ riffs. Right now the only one I can think of is Shocking Blue’s Venus (which is a classic imho). Any other songs that you can think of?
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 19 October 2017 15:53 (six years ago) link
96 Tears ftw
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 19 October 2017 15:55 (six years ago) link
there's a little known band called Doors you might be interested in
― brimstead, Thursday, 19 October 2017 17:10 (six years ago) link
― brimstead, Thursday, 19 October 2017 17:11 (six years ago) link
"All around the world statues crumble for me" is a great line
hated Every Morning as a song but i did enjoy the second hand nostalgia gen x 70s roller disco vibes of that video
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 19 October 2017 17:17 (six years ago) link
The sounds of the Vox Continental, Fender Rhodes and Wurlitzer have never really gone away.
― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Thursday, 19 October 2017 17:23 (six years ago) link
sugar ray's big singles were all diminishing returns attempting to capture the magic of Fly
― nomar, Thursday, 19 October 2017 17:23 (six years ago) link
More like cashing in on the magic of Fly. I imagine the 14:59 album gave them some huge cash.
It was kind of funny how Sugar Ray got a pass from the nu metal crowd in my generation, every morning and someday are too cheesy even for a boy band.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 19 October 2017 17:31 (six years ago) link
"when it's over" stands on its own two legs as a summer jam imo
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 19 October 2017 17:36 (six years ago) link
xp all three of those songs are great
they did a cover of "Spinning Away" by Eno & Cale for The Beach soundtrack. I was kind of floored hearing that during the movie. "huh, someone did a cover of 'Spinning Away'...", then later "Sugar Ray made this!??"
― frogbs, Thursday, 19 October 2017 17:40 (six years ago) link
― brimstead, Thursday, October 19, 2017 12:11 PM (twenty-nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah, and the lyrics are full of wonderful non sequiturs
― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Thursday, 19 October 2017 17:41 (six years ago) link
I wonder how many Public Image Ltd fans were hipped to them by Smashmouth?https://i.imgur.com/5npRlHO.png
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 19 October 2017 19:25 (six years ago) link
i get "falls apart" in my head every time i have a hangover, idk why except i tend to feel like i'm literally falling apart
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 19 October 2017 19:29 (six years ago) link
My friend, who has been to hundreds of concerts before, still insists that a late 1990's Sugar Ray concert was the best concert he ever went to.
― justfanoe (Greg Fanoe), Thursday, 19 October 2017 20:21 (six years ago) link
I kinda have a fondness for Mark McGrath, he's got this Nic Cage-like thing about him where he can't say no to anything and he does it all with the same coke-driven intensity. He did a Sharknado movie (as a main character, no less!), he joined a weird Christmas band, and now he's palling around with Mike Love for some reason. All this stuff is awful but still, good on him. There's a video of "The Beach Boys" playing "Do It Again" in front of the Capitol and at one point he puts his arm around Mike Love, points to him and says "THAT'S MIKE LOVE!!" (his mic isn't on but you can lip-read this easily). Where else you gonna get that sort of enthusiasm for something so mind-blowingly awful?
― frogbs, Thursday, 19 October 2017 20:46 (six years ago) link
McGrath's 4 year stint as a host on Extra! is to date the best thing the show has ever done.
― Marcus Hiles Remains Steadfast About Planting Trees.jpg (DJP), Thursday, 19 October 2017 20:53 (six years ago) link
he was also on a massively amusing show called Killer Karaoke. brought in to replace Steve-O!!
― frogbs, Thursday, 19 October 2017 20:56 (six years ago) link
do you like this song?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8c4madL-UA0
― budo jeru, Friday, 18 August 2023 19:35 (eight months ago) link
no, but have known people who probably do, they're alright, they have fun here and there
I will admit that I have somehow seen Smash Mouth live, two times (ask me anything), and they have at least two songs that are pretty good
also pretty cool to have a career resurgence because you were on the Shrek soundtrack and young people are weirdos
― Florin Cuchares, Friday, 18 August 2023 19:59 (eight months ago) link
sugar ray is playing free in a park near me on 9/3. should i see them?
― Thus Sang Freud, Friday, 18 August 2023 20:03 (eight months ago) link
Harwell could be seen dropping his drinks, swaying back and forth onstage and flipping the bird while cursing multiple times.“I’ll f—king kill your whole family, I swear to God,” he screamed to one fan in his audience.
― brimstead, Friday, 18 August 2023 20:23 (eight months ago) link
Steve Harwell not doing too good...
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/smash-mouth-steve-harwell-hospice_n_64f522b8e4b08f6e30e9813d
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 4 September 2023 02:04 (eight months ago) link
what a strange career this band has had, I believe the only original member now is the bass player
wanted to confirm that so I looked up the Wikipedia entry and clicked onto the former guitarist/songwriter to see what he's up to, and that is some kind of supergroup called The Defiant featuring the lead singer of Mighty Mighty Bosstones
so then I wondered what that sounded like and found this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUbNkz9tIpU
oof
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ewzs9gfpmu8
double oof
also the new smash mouth singer is no Steve Harwell, somehow
― Florin Cuchares, Monday, 4 September 2023 02:31 (eight months ago) link
here's sugar ray kissing up to our trump-lite county executive, last night at the park.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nqDcvogg4I
― Thus Sang Freud, Monday, 4 September 2023 13:10 (eight months ago) link
to be fair he did put on a good series of free concerts this summer incl. judy torres, nice & smooth, southside johnny, boyz II men, lords of 52nd st (bliiy joel's 70s backing band), eli young band, tabou combo, france joli, sugar ray.
― Thus Sang Freud, Monday, 4 September 2023 13:17 (eight months ago) link
no way was there 120,000 people there.
― Thus Sang Freud, Monday, 4 September 2023 13:24 (eight months ago) link
RIP Steve Harwellhttps://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/04/arts/music/steve-harwell-smash-mouth-all-star-dead.html
― Thus Sang Freud, Monday, 4 September 2023 16:33 (eight months ago) link
damn, RIP
― c u (crüt), Monday, 4 September 2023 16:39 (eight months ago) link
It’s sad that he had a son who died at 6 months.
― Disappointing cantaloupe (morrisp), Monday, 4 September 2023 16:43 (eight months ago) link
https://banhmiverlag.bandcamp.com/album/all-star-mixtape
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 4 September 2023 16:43 (eight months ago) link
xpost yeah I'd drink myself to death too if that happened to me
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Monday, 4 September 2023 17:12 (eight months ago) link
the prospect of losing my daughter terrifies me. I’d probably drink myself to death too. Wasn’t aware of any of this prior to his death and now I feel depressed about the whole situation.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 4 September 2023 18:05 (eight months ago) link
RIP steve. he deserves better than that nytimes obit imo
― budo jeru, Monday, 4 September 2023 18:08 (eight months ago) link
Music wise “staring at the sun” one of my favorite songs to hear on the radio when I was like 12. Wish that one was more popular with the new generations.
“All star” one of the most fun songs adopted by meme culture, I still see it used and it’s still funny for me. I’m not sure if I’ll be able to listen to it without feeling a bit sad now.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 4 September 2023 18:19 (eight months ago) link
RIPI definitely dug Walking on the Sun at the time, i liked the retro vibe
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 4 September 2023 18:41 (eight months ago) link
RIP
I always thought 'Walking on the Sun' sounds like what the Animals would have sounded like in 1997. Always dug that tune.
― earlnash, Monday, 4 September 2023 18:49 (eight months ago) link
yeah that feels kinda otm, i like that
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 4 September 2023 19:13 (eight months ago) link
I always assumed it was built around a Doors sample.
― the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 4 September 2023 19:25 (eight months ago) link
now that you mention it, it does sound a lot like "Soul Kitchen"
― budo jeru, Monday, 4 September 2023 19:26 (eight months ago) link
As mentioned upthread they used a Vox Continental for that 60’s organ sound.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 4 September 2023 19:32 (eight months ago) link
it’s groovy, man
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 4 September 2023 20:30 (eight months ago) link
Always loved the way the chorus mimicked an infomercial
― frogbs, Monday, 4 September 2023 21:10 (eight months ago) link
and yea "All Star" had some real legs, can't really think of another 90s tune that's been memed/mashed up so much. wonder how much Neil Cicierega had to do with that. still speaks to what a well-written hit that was, just full of memorable parts to the point where you could quote any of it and people would instantly know what you were talking about.
― frogbs, Tuesday, 5 September 2023 01:53 (eight months ago) link
The NYT "harder-driving guitars" is not a description I would think of for "All Star." (Perhaps accurate but the guitar is the most forgettable part.)
Like every other millennial the chorus plays in my head when I read the name and I chalk the longevity up to being a perfect kind of kid's song. "And all that glitters is go-ooh-ld/only shooting stars break the mo-ooh-ld" is tailor-made for a group of 7-10 year olds to sing along to.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 5 September 2023 08:27 (eight months ago) link
"Walkin On The Sun" reminds me of Fastball's "The Way" - more energetic but both doing a '70s lounge thing.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 5 September 2023 08:32 (eight months ago) link
Astro Lounge actually quite a bit more entertaining than I expected it to be. "All Star" doesn't really fit at all on it
― frogbs, Thursday, 28 September 2023 18:05 (seven months ago) link