Oh, Monseur le Fopp, you are really spoiling us...

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― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 15:29 (8 years ago) Permalink

air's 'talkie walkie' immediately springs to mind. i shall probably cave in when that makes the £7 racks tho'

― zebedee (zebedee), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 15:35 (8 years ago) Permalink

Scissor Sisters album... the newer Goldfrapp one (was very impressed by that re-released single a week or two back, and the debut is already @ a fiver), and probably much else, if I had the time to think longer. :)

― Tom May (Tom May), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 20:00 (8 years ago) Permalink

10 months pass...

13th Floor Elevators.

"The psychedelic sounds of" and "Easter Everywhere"

With extra tracks and booklet, etc. £5 each.

Oh, and the first two Suicide CD sets, also £5.

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 09:56 (8 years ago) Permalink

Woo, where is there a Fopp in London? Is there one near Berwick St? I've only been to the Reading one. I want that Psychedelic Sounds and the 2nd Suicide album!

― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 12:11 (8 years ago) Permalink

I didn't even know there was a Reading one! Where's that then?

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 12:14 (8 years ago) Permalink

There's one in Covent Garden, I believe.

xpost Stewaaart! Next to the old co-op which is now Primark. Across the road from the old "Captain's Cabin"

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 12:15 (8 years ago) Permalink

not music, but miller's crossing director's cut in a fancy package is £7 in the manc one.

― piscesboy, Wednesday, 6 April 2005 12:30 (8 years ago) Permalink

I didn't know Primark had been a Co-Op. It must have been good.

I got the Suicide ones from Fopp in Reading.

The staff are a bit miserable in the London one (which is at the bottom of the upper part of Shaftesbury Avenue - more or less Covent Garden - next to Charing Cross Road).

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 12:32 (8 years ago) Permalink

Maaaaark! That's West Street isn't it? Haven't been down there for years.... in fact I don't think I've beem into Reading at all this year so far.

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 12:40 (8 years ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

haha go! team: last week £7, couldn't give it away. this week: £10, probably selling bucketloads

― zebedee (zebedee), Thursday, 28 July 2005 10:39 (7 years ago) Permalink

if it wins the mercury - back up to £15.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 28 July 2005 10:43 (7 years ago) Permalink

Heh, I did get those Nick Drake CD's that were mentioned uptop. For seven quid, so there yer go...

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 28 July 2005 10:46 (7 years ago) Permalink

£7! Daylite robbery!

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 28 July 2005 10:49 (7 years ago) Permalink

I don't go to Fopp much, but the last things I bought there were probably the Very Best of Chas and Dave (£7) and Mike Westbrook's Solid Gold Cadillac/Brain Damage (£3). The woman at the counter gave me a very odd look, even after I'd explained that several musicians appeared on both records, at which stage the look became distinctly odder.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 28 July 2005 10:51 (7 years ago) Permalink

The FOPP in Cambridge Circus has a weird air of expectancy about it, a treasure trove vibe, pregnant with bargain must-haves. Just approaching it you can feel the money in your pocket working itself loose, I don't get this from Selectadisc, is it just me?

― mzui (mzui), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:23 (7 years ago) Permalink

cannibalism double vinyl £7.

no other shop comes even close.

but Im old enough to remember the 3 dance 12"'s for a fiver period.

― danny boy, Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:25 (7 years ago) Permalink

When I first moved to London I remember telling people about the FOPPs of Glasgow and Edinburgh and they could scarce believe it

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:28 (7 years ago) Permalink

(xpost x 2)

Curiously, I tend to feel exactly the reverse, probably 'cos Selectadisc has an infinitely wider range of stock and overall lower prices (i.e. lots of £4.99s, virtually no £15s).

The original Fopp shop in Renfield Street was a splendid place, even if Gordon the owner insisted on calling me "George Russell" every time I came in.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:29 (7 years ago) Permalink

Note to self: Go music shopping with Marcello Carlin.

― Hari A$hur$t (Toaster), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:30 (7 years ago) Permalink

was it called A1 sounds at that point?

― jed_ (jed), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:30 (7 years ago) Permalink

Oh yes, Selectadisc, £2.99 for Pharoah Sanders' "Izipho Zam"??!?!!?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:45 (7 years ago) Permalink

They shared space in the Savoy Centre for a bit but A1 Sounds stayed there and was a separate shop, more indie-orientated.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:54 (7 years ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

The "Tommy" Collectors 2DVD set, £5. Reading fopp.

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 19 August 2005 12:31 (7 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

Glasgow, Union St:

Bunch of lovely jazz and soul vinyl for £5 and £7!

Mingus - Oh yeah! and Blues and Roots for £5 each

Coltrane - Ole and Coltrane's Sound (most underrated according to AMG) £5 each

Also Meters, Betty Davis, Curtis et al for £7. Fopp used to be great for cheap classic vinyl but it dropped off for a while. Happy days are here again.

Only bought Oh Yeah today, but shall pick up a few of these soon.

Also on CD for £3 - Fall, Replacements, Meat Puppets. :)

― Stew (stew s), Monday, 3 October 2005 11:12 (7 years ago) Permalink

The Fopp in Cardiff has become a regular haunt of mine, just enough time in my half hour lunch break to walk to Fopp, check out what's cheap, purchase as necessary, and walk back to work again a more cheerful soul. Recent purchases have included those RT "Post Punk" and "Indie" dbl CDs, "Horses", "Correct use of soap", "Metal box", "A ghost is born", "Hurdy gurdy man", "Aw C'mon/No you c'mon" for a fiver each, plus in their ridiculous £3 bin that recent Neil Young greatest hits CD. Cardiff has just realised that they should really be selling more CDs and changed their upstairs into more music rather than books and videos. It helps a lot.

Mind you, the MVC in Newport has been selling ridiculous records for silly money this last month - "The trip" (both Tom Middleton and St Etienne) for £4, "Produced by Trevor Horn" for the same, "Only Yazoo" and "Hot shots II" for £2...

― Rob M (Rob M), Monday, 3 October 2005 12:59 (7 years ago) Permalink

I went to Fopp on Union St today and the Franzferdinandiness overwhelmed me. I had to leave.

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Monday, 3 October 2005 13:05 (7 years ago) Permalink

I went to Fopp on King St Nottingham today and the Franzferdinandiness overwhelmed me. I had to buy it. (Tenner.)

― mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Monday, 3 October 2005 13:07 (7 years ago) Permalink

I went to HMV in the Oracle, Reading today and the Franzferdinandiness underwhelmed me. I did not buy it.

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 3 October 2005 13:13 (7 years ago) Permalink

I went to HMV in London's busy Oxford Circus yesterday and the Franzferdinandiness bypassed me entirely, like a Stobart truck weaving its way through Irlam when I'm at Scotch Corner. I bought several albums, but not that one, as I had already been sent a copy. Perhaps one of these days I will listen to it.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 05:55 (7 years ago) Permalink

New Franz is heaps of fun actually. First three songs are marvellous but it does run out of steam somewhat. There's some filler on there, but its better played and better produced than the filler on the debut. And I'm starting to like the 60s pop stylings. Walk Away is like the Sparks go Merseybeat. Well, kinda.
That said, I got sent a copy too, so I don't know if I would have bought it...

― Stew (stew s), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 08:11 (7 years ago) Permalink

Monsieur Fopp has redesigned his shops in London and Reading. They are better, I have to say.

I go the complete Spritualized vol. 2, which I was quite pleased about because I had been waiting for it to come down to a fiver. Then I listened to it and I was not so pleased.

There was quite a lot of good stuff going cheap, I may have to go back and have another look.

Advantage of Fopp over Selectadisc: you can take stuff back if you don't like it, or if you are a tightarse.

I am more overwhelmed by Bob Dylanism than Franz Ferdinandness these days.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 10:08 (7 years ago) Permalink

There was a set of the complete works of Bob Dylan - 40 CDs - on sale in HMV last week for £75. I purchased a copy in order to try to educate myself more fully in the art of Bob Dylanism. Was this money wisely spent?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 10:10 (7 years ago) Permalink

You tell us

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 10:15 (7 years ago) Permalink

Wouldn't know, I haven't managed to listen to all 40 CDs as yet.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 10:17 (7 years ago) Permalink

Was this a for real? or one of their "Get in the queue first and get one, five only from HMV Oxford Street" offers?

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 10:21 (7 years ago) Permalink

Well I wouldn't have thought so! (xpost)

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 10:22 (7 years ago) Permalink

The latter. I stopped off on my way to work. There didn't seem much in the way of a queue.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 10:35 (7 years ago) Permalink

ach, the number of these I was never "going in to work" early enough for, when I worked in EC1.

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 11:53 (7 years ago) Permalink

It sounds like an excellent bargain to me.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 12:10 (7 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

Fopp have Twin Peaks Series 1 for £15.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 24 October 2005 13:24 (7 years ago) Permalink

I have never been in Fopp.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Monday, 24 October 2005 13:47 (7 years ago) Permalink

You should go, one day. It is not far from your bus route, which will be bendy-only as from Friday, I see. Other than that, you are not missing much. I only went because I found £20 on Sunday and thought it might disappear in a puff of smoke if I didn't spend it quickly. I regret having spent it though. The digipak trays are loose on the Twin peaks set, which annoys me, and Lou Reed NYC Man is at least half rubbish.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 06:24 (7 years ago) Permalink

Loose digipak trays? The boycott starts HERE!

― mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 07:12 (7 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I got that NYC man set, and realise now I didn't actually need it, after having it sat here unplayed for three months. Along with that Neil Young "Decade" set and the Prince/Symbol "Emancipation" thingy.

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 07:12 (7 years ago) Permalink

I have had loose digipak trays before and they are impossible to stick back on. This may be the root of the problem in the first place. The reason I am am a bit miffed is because I like to watch things and then sell them mint condition, innit, preferably for more than I paid. Now, that option is closed to me.

I can still take NYC Man back, being within my Sucker And See period.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 07:46 (7 years ago) Permalink

Has the "New Answers" Page died?

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 08:10 (7 years ago) Permalink

ach, no, it's just VERY quiet. half term, I guess.

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 08:11 (7 years ago) Permalink

i got 'the godfather' trilogy box in sainsburys for £15.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 08:14 (7 years ago) Permalink

Cor!

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 08:29 (7 years ago) Permalink

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In fairness if it's a credit only deal it'll probably work out much less than a pound a disc.

― The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 27 September 2011 10:34 (1 year ago) Permalink

£1 for decent cds is a rip-off tho. Thats if they get any.

― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 27 September 2011 10:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

That's where a blanket price falls down; it's easy to implement, but the customer is ripped off for 'good/rare/valuable' cds, while the shop is ripping itself off when folks bring in Natalie Imbruglia, Beverly Knight, Take That, any older chart cd etc etc etc...

― just call me brian (krakow), Tuesday, 27 September 2011 10:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

£1 for decent cds is a rip-off tho. Thats if they get any.

So don't take in decent stuff ffs.

― robocop last year was a 'shop (sic), Tuesday, 27 September 2011 10:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

oh i have no intention in doing that. But some gullible people might.

― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 27 September 2011 11:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

if they don't care, they're not getting ripped off

― robocop last year was a 'shop (sic), Tuesday, 27 September 2011 11:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

but Fopp will still it for £2, even it it's worth more?

― bham, Tuesday, 27 September 2011 12:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

They might, because the time it takes them to check every CD to make sure it's not an original issue of "Lick my decals" would be more than the potential increase in revenue.

or something...

― Mark G, Tuesday, 27 September 2011 12:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

Barcode scanning linked to amazon marketplace prices should be easy to implement.

― just call me brian (krakow), Tuesday, 27 September 2011 19:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

Big Eno deal on, presumably not just confined to Glasgow Byres Road. The remastered digipacks for a fiver and the rest for three a pop. So there's the song albums, plus On Land, Apollo etc.

Also some nice new jazz stuff - Prestige, Riverside, Original Jazz Classics stuff. So loads of Monk, Sonny Rollins, Art Blakey etc. Ended up with Monk play Ellington, Monk's Music, Eric Dolphy Out There, Sonny Rollins Out West, and The Quintet (Parker, Gillespie, Mingus, Roach, Powell).

― Count Palmiro Vicarion (Stew), Friday, 30 September 2011 12:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

£3 for the jazz, I should add.

― Count Palmiro Vicarion (Stew), Friday, 30 September 2011 12:29 (1 year ago) Permalink

but Fopp will still it for £2, even it it's worth more?

Rare indeed is the second hand CD that is worth more than £2. Obviously there are exceptions like Decals but by and large there is practically no collectors market in used CDs.

― ban this sick stunt (anagram), Friday, 30 September 2011 12:39 (1 year ago) Permalink

Tell that to MVE.

― Here he is with the classic "Poème Électronique." Good track (Marcello Carlin), Friday, 30 September 2011 13:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

I manage to sell CDs for pretty good money on ebay, but yes mainstream or unfashionable back catalogue CDs don't go for much if at all.

― |III|||II|||I|I||| (Matt #2), Friday, 30 September 2011 13:17 (1 year ago) Permalink

Now if they'd just put the eno reissues down to £3.

― Peas, Ants, Pigs & Astronauts (PaulTMA), Friday, 30 September 2011 13:31 (1 year ago) Permalink

They have! Bought Here Come The Warm Jets, On Land, Apollo, Music For Films and Before And After Science from Byres Road Glasgow. These were all they had.

― Peas, Ants, Pigs & Astronauts (PaulTMA), Saturday, 8 October 2011 18:17 (1 year ago) Permalink

the cramps : songs the lord taught us
the cramps : psychedlic jungle

£3 each. at last.
been on a cramps crush now for a few weeks since i picked up off the bone, so well chuffed these were added to the cheapskate pile.

― mark e, Monday, 10 October 2011 08:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

Bought Apollo and Discreet Music £3 each from Gower St. London. Fancy going back for few more Eno ones. Will prob try the £1 off with an old CD/DVD offer thing when I buy something reasonably priced.

― mmmm, Thursday, 20 October 2011 19:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

5 months pass...

Monsieur le Fopp in Covent Garden had many great bargains yesterday, such as a few BFI Flipside DVD and Blu-ray releases for £3 or £5 (I got Little Malcolm, Lunch Hour and Voice Over), as well of plenty of other similarly priced DVDs of interest ( Sleep Furiously, for example) in their special clearance bins. Bargain of the day was probably the Stevie Wonder box set with a few minor scuffs on the packaging for £5 (also available in perfect nick for £15, itself a bargain) but I somehow resisted this.

All this and I think I passed Marcello downstairs in Sounds of the Universe.

― PJ Miller, Thursday, 29 March 2012 09:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

I was there yesterday lunchtime so it's highly likely! Sorry I missed you but my mind was on the curious vinyl there (all at competitive Sounds of the Universe prices of course).

― Here he is with the classic "Poème Électronique." Good track (Marcello Carlin), Thursday, 29 March 2012 21:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

Ah! You were very polite, said excuse me to get by and everything.

― PJ Miller, Saturday, 31 March 2012 07:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

I see HMV have started doing the trade-in thing, so they have a big rack of crap at £2 each as well.

― PJ Miller, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 08:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

Perhaps they've got a deal to send them over to China for recycling into street furniture like all those Robbie Williams CDs

― mmmm, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 14:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

They've had some good jazz 2 for £5 offers on in Glasgow lately (and elsewhere I'd imagine). The Impulse 2-in-1s went pretty quickly (got Black Saint/Mingusx3) but there are bunch of Riverside and Prestige albums there: late 50s Trane, loads of Joe Henderson, Sonny Rollins and McCoy Tyner (got the awesome Enlightenment live album from 1973) etc

― Poor.Old.Tired.Horse. (Stew), Monday, 21 May 2012 16:14 (11 months ago) Permalink

McCoy Tyner (got the awesome Enlightenment live album from 1973

incredible record, a+++ purchase

― Heaven knows I'm thirsty and miserable now (NickB), Monday, 21 May 2012 16:27 (11 months ago) Permalink

Yeah, first read about it on an ILX thread, so I doff my cap to yourself and anyone else who raved about it. Nice to have a proper copy. I'm also a big fan of Sahara, which I picked up a couple of years back. Saw him in Prague last year - free concert in Old Town Square - and while he wasn't going for it like on those classic sides, it was a classy set of Latin tinged post-bop with Gary Bartz on sax. There were a couple of other Tyner CDs there, so I shall investigate further.

― Poor.Old.Tired.Horse. (Stew), Monday, 21 May 2012 16:35 (11 months ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

Different thing:

In Fopp CovGard, they have a bunch of "X-Factor Karaoke Kits" for £5

What they actually are, is a fairly decent microphone and mixer. Decent for a fiver anyway, metal not plastic.

I got one a while ago at a 'outlet' for £10, did one of the ILX Xmas track vocals using it, not bad...

― Mark G, Monday, 16 July 2012 16:07 (10 months ago) Permalink

(Probably a fiver's worth of cables in the box at least anyway..)

― Mark G, Monday, 16 July 2012 16:07 (10 months ago) Permalink

very little in the way of interesting cds in cov garden fopp last night, more and more of the ground floor seems to be given over to, mostly foreign, dvds. but that's fine by me. some Bela Tarr dvds for a fiver each (Damnation, Man from London, Werckmeister, but i didn't see Satantango) and the Wajda war trilogy box that's been on my amazon wishlist ever since i caught the first two on Film4 and then deleted the last before watching it in some bizarre PVR accident.

― koogs, Thursday, 19 July 2012 08:49 (10 months ago) Permalink

I was tempted by the Theo Angelopoulos box sets the other day, but maybe I should work through the 20+ hours of unwatched DVDs I already have rather than buying anything new. Still, they were cheap...

― don't slip in mud (Matt #2), Thursday, 19 July 2012 09:00 (10 months ago) Permalink

(20+ hours of unwatched DVDs... i hear this. have about 20 in front of the tv and have just bought outer limits box set that was 26 hours for £12. but i just think of them as choices rather than an excess)

― koogs, Thursday, 19 July 2012 09:11 (10 months ago) Permalink

A Bella Union side-rack promotion in the Nottingham Fopp has John Grant's Queen Of Denmark - my favourite album of the decade thus far - at a mere three quid.

― mike t-diva, Thursday, 19 July 2012 09:26 (10 months ago) Permalink

Do Fopp still buy 2nd hand CDs?

― The Eyeball Of Hull (Colonel Poo), Thursday, 19 July 2012 12:20 (10 months ago) Permalink

The CovGard and Bloomsbury Fopps still do, but the used racks are nothing to write home about.

― Here he is with the classic "Poème Électronique." Good track (Marcello Carlin), Thursday, 19 July 2012 12:58 (10 months ago) Permalink

They are the definition of "unwanted", really.

― Mark G, Thursday, 19 July 2012 13:06 (10 months ago) Permalink

XP Mike T, if they have the Thousands record in that Bella Union rack, you might like it too.

― MaresNest, Thursday, 19 July 2012 13:19 (10 months ago) Permalink

Thanks for the tip, will take a look next time I'm in...

― mike t-diva, Thursday, 19 July 2012 14:01 (10 months ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

£30 in fopp this afternoon, could easily have been twice that - the current dvd selection matches my tastes well

unthanks - bairns (cd) £3
the thing (dvd 2011) £3
akira (dvd) £5
la belle et la bete (bfi dvd) £5
innocents (bfi dvd) £5
bed sitting room (bfi dvd+br) £9
(also had loads of bergman, lots more bfi, especially the flipside range, lots of kurosawa (although the sets were more expensive than amazon iirc))

― koogs, Friday, 5 October 2012 23:23 (7 months ago) Permalink

Not Fopp, possibly, but the HMV I went to had most of the Blur deluxe editions for £3 each!

― Mark G, Friday, 12 October 2012 12:47 (7 months ago) Permalink

Has FOPP been picking up the Zappa reissues? Been wondering, just in case I get to be near one in the foreseeable future.

― Stevolende, Friday, 12 October 2012 13:56 (7 months ago) Permalink

Last time I was there, no.

― Mark G, Friday, 12 October 2012 14:10 (7 months ago) Permalink

Glasgow Union Street branch had a copy of each Zappa last time I was in.

― NWOFHM! Overlord (krakow), Saturday, 13 October 2012 18:02 (7 months ago) Permalink

but pricewise?

― Mark G, Saturday, 13 October 2012 21:21 (7 months ago) Permalink

Full price. £10-£14 or something.

― NWOFHM! Overlord (krakow), Sunday, 14 October 2012 07:17 (7 months ago) Permalink

Right so probably better to get mailorder where the unit is € so a bit cheaper. But really need to know if issues with Grand Wazoo not playing were ironed out. Seemed to be pretty widespread.

― Stevolende, Sunday, 14 October 2012 08:03 (7 months ago) Permalink

4 weeks pass...

BFI sale on at the moment. Got the early films of Peter Greenaway vol.1, Geoffrey Jones Rhythm Of Film and COI Police And Thieves for £16. Also got Ilya Khrzhanovskii's amazing 4 for £7.

― Go Narine, Go! (ShariVari), Sunday, 11 November 2012 16:42 (6 months ago) Permalink

That double Beta Band double DVD was just purchased for a mere £3.

― 'Separate Lives', by Phil Collins & Marilyn Manson (PaulTMA), Friday, 16 November 2012 18:43 (6 months ago) Permalink

The Delta Band's double DVD?

― good naber He help get undr control (sic), Saturday, 17 November 2012 00:02 (6 months ago) Permalink

for a quarter of the price

― Mark G, Saturday, 17 November 2012 12:47 (6 months ago) Permalink

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