― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 26 October 2003 14:06 (twenty years ago) link
― Siegbran (eofor), Sunday, 26 October 2003 15:24 (twenty years ago) link
― Sonny A. (Keiko), Sunday, 26 October 2003 16:21 (twenty years ago) link
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 26 October 2003 18:52 (twenty years ago) link
― Siegbran (eofor), Sunday, 26 October 2003 19:34 (twenty years ago) link
This is sufficiently vague that I like to amuse myself by wondering what they were.
"You eat sausages made out of TOFU!"
*shriek* "JAIL HIM."
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 26 October 2003 20:01 (twenty years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 27 October 2003 02:07 (twenty years ago) link
― RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 13:44 (seventeen years ago) link
― RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 13:45 (seventeen years ago) link
― RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 13:52 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 14:02 (seventeen years ago) link
― wogan lenin (dog latin), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 14:07 (seventeen years ago) link
― RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 14:44 (seventeen years ago) link
― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 14:59 (seventeen years ago) link
― RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 17:26 (seventeen years ago) link
He's out soon, rite?
(Gosh, I had forgotten about all these crazy screencap poems I made last fall of BM dudes talking shit...sorry, guys)
― roxymuzak, Monday, 6 August 2007 02:33 (sixteen years ago) link
roxy the five-panel one of Varg is actually one of the most affecting things I've ever seen online, I have to say! I mean, Varg's an asshole, and believes in a lot of shit I think is utter garbage, but as with a lot of extremist thought, there's a kernel here or there that's really resonant, and that bit - "who were the first churchburners? how much more destructive were they?" - really gets to me
― J0hn D., Monday, 6 August 2007 03:41 (sixteen years ago) link
Mid 2008, apparently. It will be fifteen years then...can't believe how quickly that went by (for me, not for him I guess).
Funny that in the current climate these then-headline-grabbing 'terrorist' events look really tame now. Plane crashes, exploding trains, flaming jeeps, live beheadings - the satanist movement has really been upstaged royally.
― Siegbran, Monday, 6 August 2007 12:38 (sixteen years ago) link
don't think your average joe even paid much attention at the time (outside of scandinavia, that is)
― Charlie Howard, Monday, 6 August 2007 13:59 (sixteen years ago) link
"who were the first churchburners? how much more destructive were they?"
Yes, but it's somewhat amusing that for all his glorification of chaos and destruction in the end he just complains that "the Christians did it before".
― Marco Damiani, Monday, 6 August 2007 14:11 (sixteen years ago) link
I think his philosophy is more of a "take the power back" one, not a "they did it first, so why not?" one. The dude is crazy, though. He believes aliens came to Earth and mated with Aryan women to produce a more perfect race!
And thanks, John, it had a similar effect on me when I watched the movie, that's why I started making them in the first place.
― roxymuzak, Monday, 6 August 2007 18:20 (sixteen years ago) link
The dude is crazy, though. He believes aliens came to Earth and mated with Aryan women to produce a more perfect race!
No crazier than your typical Bible story.
― QuantumNoise, Monday, 6 August 2007 18:31 (sixteen years ago) link
there's a kernel here or there that's really resonant
more than a kernel, in my opinion. Christianity should be wiped off the face of the planet.
― QuantumNoise, Monday, 6 August 2007 18:33 (sixteen years ago) link
wai u hate santa : (
― M@tt He1ges0n, Monday, 6 August 2007 18:36 (sixteen years ago) link
Here's true madness:
The Pope's Pears: The vaginal pear was used on woman who had sex with the Devil or his familiars. The rectal pear was used on passive male homosexuals and the oral pear was used on heretical preachers or lay persons found guilty of unorthodox practices. Inserted into the mouth, anus or vagina of the victim, the pear was expanded by use of the screw until the insides are ripped, stretched and mutilated, almost always causing death. The pointed ends of the 'leaves' were good for ripping the throat, intestines or cervix open.
― QuantumNoise, Monday, 6 August 2007 18:37 (sixteen years ago) link
Dude, you certainly don't have to convince me that Christians are crazy. What do you think attracted me to metal in the FIRST place?
― roxymuzak, Monday, 6 August 2007 18:46 (sixteen years ago) link
I know! Jesus just riles me up. That's all.
― QuantumNoise, Monday, 6 August 2007 18:49 (sixteen years ago) link
Well Jesus was hardly running around sticking pears up peoples vaginas! Those Popes tho...they were trouble.
― Angsty, Monday, 6 August 2007 18:54 (sixteen years ago) link
that's not really a defence.
― The Real Dirty Vicar, Monday, 6 August 2007 19:08 (sixteen years ago) link
Yeah, that's what you call a dubious honor.
― roxymuzak, Monday, 6 August 2007 19:11 (sixteen years ago) link
what is it you think i'm defending? varg's beliefs? i just don't think he any more or less crazy than a lot of people on the planet.
― QuantumNoise, Monday, 6 August 2007 19:19 (sixteen years ago) link
has he talked about his plans?
― Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Monday, 6 August 2007 19:27 (sixteen years ago) link
plans??
― t**t, Monday, 6 August 2007 19:34 (sixteen years ago) link
Well Jesus was hardly running around sticking pears up peoples vaginas!
Since he didn't exist, you gotta point.
― QuantumNoise, Monday, 6 August 2007 19:37 (sixteen years ago) link
(^Sheesh.)
I bet Ole Grishnach's gonna cool out for a long time when he gets out, but then he's going to do something completely out to lunch.
― roxymuzak, Monday, 6 August 2007 21:08 (sixteen years ago) link
yet another dodgy electronic album?
― Herman G. Neuname, Monday, 6 August 2007 21:13 (sixteen years ago) link
I hear actually he's gonna bring back eski
― J0hn D., Tuesday, 7 August 2007 02:12 (sixteen years ago) link
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/0/06/300px-Varg-vikernes.jpg
Who ate all the pies?
― s. morris, Tuesday, 7 August 2007 02:48 (sixteen years ago) link
kind of depressing apologetics for Varg in this thread.
seriously.
― circa1916, Tuesday, 7 August 2007 09:17 (sixteen years ago) link
you're right, when you disagree with someone you must not, ever, discuss the content of their beliefs or allow that some points may be interesting, even if repellent.
― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Tuesday, 7 August 2007 09:31 (sixteen years ago) link
I wonder what his parole conditions will be? Hopefully there'll be a clause about not being allowed to collaborate with Stephen O'Malley.
― Matt #2, Tuesday, 7 August 2007 09:31 (sixteen years ago) link
He has to work w/ David Stewart. And eno.
― Mark G, Tuesday, 7 August 2007 09:37 (sixteen years ago) link
you're attributing too much to Varg's 'beliefs' here. it's not really interesting or compelling at all. i could very well throw a Jew on a cross and say 'they did it first, they deserved it'.
i have no problem discussing his philosophy, i just find it unfortunate that we're giving it some amount of credence when it's so obviously idiotic and heinous.
― circa1916, Tuesday, 7 August 2007 09:53 (sixteen years ago) link
coupla xposts
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v136/primrosehill/allsacredplaces.jpg
OMG, he's like the lovechild of Elbow's Guy Garvey and iLiKETRAiNS' Dave Martin!
― StanM, Tuesday, 7 August 2007 10:57 (sixteen years ago) link
what understanding would come from discussing something that you think is obviously idiotic and heinous?
― QuantumNoise, Tuesday, 7 August 2007 14:21 (sixteen years ago) link
not to be a pedant but that's not what apologetics means
also, you're wrong
― J0hn D., Tuesday, 7 August 2007 14:48 (sixteen years ago) link
your analogy is also miraculously inapt also though if this were an imageboard "I could very well throw a Jew on a cross" would certainly reach legendary macro status
― J0hn D., Tuesday, 7 August 2007 14:49 (sixteen years ago) link
i'm still amazed at how different he looks in those before and after shots.
― Charlie Howard, Tuesday, 7 August 2007 15:02 (sixteen years ago) link
marc singer made a similar transformation after Beastmaster.
― QuantumNoise, Tuesday, 7 August 2007 15:19 (sixteen years ago) link
varg seems to spend a lot of his time online fighting with christian nazis who hate paganism. hopefully they’ll manage to hurt each other somehow
― Left, Wednesday, 16 December 2020 23:20 (three years ago) link
there is an endless stream of astroturfed media bullshit about twitter moderation being too harsh on conservatives (basically nazis anyway) and dorsey clearly believes it himself the fuck
― Left, Wednesday, 16 December 2020 23:26 (three years ago) link
a friend of mine had a semi-popular left shitpost account and he got banned from twitter for being mean to a gen z nazi
― Babby's Yed Revisited (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 16 December 2020 23:28 (three years ago) link
A quick TP Quality Test: Do you:-vaccinate-marry "someone that doesn't look like you"-kneel to some false desert "god" (of ANY type)-believe the Earth is flat-think Nordic is NOT the ideal-vote-think 88 is BADIf you answer "yes" to ANY ONE of these, you FAIL the test. pic.twitter.com/HH3ZwtX6GL— Varg Vikernes (Thulêan Perspective) (@GandalftheWhi19) December 9, 2020
-prefer 'Juice' over 'Milk(y white)'. -think history is NOT a lie-call yourself "Aryan"-want to BE the 'Juice' (= CI)-think "Western" civilization is a good thing-watch porn-believe Judeo-Christians are our allies-burn leaves in your back yard-kill spiders in your home— Varg Vikernes (Thulêan Perspective) (@GandalftheWhi19) December 9, 2020
-sleep around-prefer school to home-schooling-believe in patriarchy OR matriarchy-think feminism is a good thing-think MGTOWs are NOT absolute Losers-eat only Vegan food-have a "Carnivore" diet-think the current pandemic is "made up"-think China/Russia/USA is our friend— Varg Vikernes (Thulêan Perspective) (@GandalftheWhi19) December 9, 2020
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 16 December 2020 23:32 (three years ago) link
i guess i'm not up-to-speed with my hatespeech - what is 'juice'?
― kites aren't fun (NickB), Wednesday, 16 December 2020 23:44 (three years ago) link
I was also confused by that one. I get the reference to milk, but I'm used to seeing fash cretins contrast it with soy, not juice.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 16 December 2020 23:49 (three years ago) link
literally everything in varg’s first list ultimately means jews right? tweet could be a fantastic teaching tool for breaking down how antisemitism functions in 2020 or 1933, there is so much in there
some of the others too but the fashy infighting material would have to be for a more advanced class
― Left, Wednesday, 16 December 2020 23:55 (three years ago) link
these fucks love their plausible deniability so I wouldn’t be surprised if the juice is a pun/code which also happens to be an innocent thing they can trigger the sjws with
― Left, Wednesday, 16 December 2020 23:58 (three years ago) link
I wouldn't be surprised if it all boils down to 'TEH JEWS' for him. I mean:
The face of rot, decay, hatred and degeneracy. If you see him argue in favour of something, then you can be sure that it is something that will hurt )))Europe(((.Boycott, oppose, undermine & talk up against him and his Satanic lot whenever and wherever you can.#Soros pic.twitter.com/gr24wuiZ8C— Varg Vikernes (Thulêan Perspective) (@GandalftheWhi19) December 9, 2020
And yeah, I very much agree, re: 'a fantastic teaching tool for breaking down how antisemitism functions in 2020 or 1933'.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 16 December 2020 23:58 (three years ago) link
why post racist tweets by a known racist? what's the point?
― treeship., Thursday, 17 December 2020 00:00 (three years ago) link
yeah the only thing i could think of was juice = jews, but it didn't make much sense in context. but neither did the rest of the list so
― kites aren't fun (NickB), Thursday, 17 December 2020 00:01 (three years ago) link
it’s jews and milk is nordics/whites
― Left, Thursday, 17 December 2020 00:02 (three years ago) link
treesh, if there's a thread for discussing these tweets, it's definitely this one. I hadn't realized that you can get away with quite *this* much obvious dog-whistling on Twitter.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 17 December 2020 00:04 (three years ago) link
it doesn't seem like dog whistling? he is a known white supremacist in addition to a murderer.
― treeship., Thursday, 17 December 2020 00:06 (three years ago) link
When I made a post a few weeks ago about a friend in mental health crisis posting Nazi shit, he was posting Burzum and Varg shit. He's Jewish. Still don't know what to do about it.
― "Bi" Dong A Ban He Try (the table is the table), Thursday, 17 December 2020 00:06 (three years ago) link
oh the discussion is about why he isn't banned. he probably just hasn't been flagged enough times yet.
― treeship., Thursday, 17 December 2020 00:08 (three years ago) link
I’m sure he has but there’s no harm in doing it more. twitter claims mass reporting doesn’t work but that’s an obvious lie
― Left, Thursday, 17 December 2020 00:11 (three years ago) link
this person genuinely needs to *** immediately as do all his followers
fuck metal in general for providing these scum with safe spaces and excuses for so long
― Left, Thursday, 17 December 2020 00:30 (three years ago) link
it doesn't seem like dog whistling?
Technically, replacing 'Jews' with 'Juice' (which I hadn't even picked up on at first) counts as dog-whistling in my book, at least for purposes of circumventing Twitter's rules.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 17 December 2020 00:31 (three years ago) link
I’m not sure how this dude has avoided being murdered
― DJP, Thursday, 17 December 2020 05:14 (three years ago) link
― Left, Wednesday, December 16, 2020 5:30 PM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
agreed on one level but also metal isn't special here
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 17 December 2020 05:17 (three years ago) link
true, see this nazi hippie in my town
https://cldc.org/weed-nazi-denied-access-to-anonymous-antifascist-website/
― howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Thursday, 17 December 2020 05:25 (three years ago) link
how's that
― howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Thursday, 17 December 2020 05:26 (three years ago) link
Thought that first Varg tweet list was a parody account at first.
― circa1916, Thursday, 17 December 2020 05:51 (three years ago) link
I guess I thought he was more subtly stupid/racist. Apparently swinging for the fences.
― circa1916, Thursday, 17 December 2020 05:52 (three years ago) link
his twitter handle always gets me - you'd expect some reference to an ancient saga, something his fellow shitheads would recognize as reflecting the Old Ways or whatever, but no, he's racist Gandalf.
― JoeStork, Thursday, 17 December 2020 06:46 (three years ago) link
Gandalf the White, one of the series’s more heavy handed allegories for the Jewish guy Varg despises Christians for worshipping. I guess he just liked the sound of the white part
― Left, Thursday, 17 December 2020 07:06 (three years ago) link
Let's not be disingenuous-- there's a serious problem with white supremacy in metal, more than in other genres, and no matter how hard some people here try to wave it off, it's worth discussing.
― "Bi" Dong A Ban He Try (the table is the table), Thursday, 17 December 2020 13:21 (three years ago) link
I don't think it should be waved off. The metal scene is home to more fash assholes than most other genres, no doubt about it.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 17 December 2020 13:45 (three years ago) link
metal also home to more dyed-in-the-wool antifa than most other genres too
― imago, Thursday, 17 December 2020 13:56 (three years ago) link
it isn't too functionally dissimilar to punk except metal also has i suppose a space for those who aren't politically polarised
― imago, Thursday, 17 December 2020 13:59 (three years ago) link
#bothsides
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 17 December 2020 14:02 (three years ago) link
it's always funny when people say oh metal isn't unique in this when the rolling metal threads have another band milkshake duck themselves for being fash on a biweekly basis that doesn't seem to happen elsewhere
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 17 December 2020 14:08 (three years ago) link
Of all the genres I listen to, metal is the only one where every time I come across a new band I like, I pray (to the loathsome Judeo-Christian God iirc) that its members aren’t neo-nazi edgelords, especially if it’s BM we’re talking about. I’m comfortable with drawing a distinction between assholes and their art at least 99% of the time (and this is a concern that greatly exceeds the metal sphere) but I strive to avoid purchasing fash-stained goods, especially if their makers are still alive and spewing their moronic bile on Twitter unchecked.Btw Varg’s latest LP was quite mediocre.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 17 December 2020 14:09 (three years ago) link
who in metal is the antifa varg?
― kites aren't fun (NickB), Thursday, 17 December 2020 14:09 (three years ago) link
Barney Greenaway maybe?
― Sven Vath's scary carpet (Neil S), Thursday, 17 December 2020 14:11 (three years ago) link
Greenway sorry https://thequietus.com/articles/29091-napalm-death-interview-2
― Sven Vath's scary carpet (Neil S), Thursday, 17 December 2020 14:12 (three years ago) link
Metal BLM compilations are now a thing fwiw.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 17 December 2020 14:14 (three years ago) link
why isn't the racist stuff called white metal?
― StanM, Thursday, 17 December 2020 21:55 (three years ago) link
White masses are a no-no.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 17 December 2020 22:06 (three years ago) link
the blackness=darkness=evil thing is another whole can of worms tbh. it’s not completely unrelated
do we have to do #notallmetal every time with this? is there another thread for the good antifascist stuff?
― Left, Thursday, 17 December 2020 22:11 (three years ago) link
Barney Greenway — and indeed Napalm Death more broadly, since there's never been a story about one member disagreeing with the others on politics. (Their late guitarist Jesse Pintado was also a member of Resistant Culture, a Native American grind band whose albums Welcome to Reality and All One Struggle are excellent.)
― but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 17 December 2020 22:11 (three years ago) link
do we have to do #notallmetal every time with this?
Yes.
― imago, Thursday, 17 December 2020 22:21 (three years ago) link
He's against burning leaves?
― chr1sb3singer, Thursday, 17 December 2020 22:35 (three years ago) link
what if you burn down a church but accidentally scorch some shrubbery?
― kites aren't fun (NickB), Thursday, 17 December 2020 22:40 (three years ago) link
Fuck you, imago
― DJP, Thursday, 17 December 2020 22:41 (three years ago) link
metal is my favorite genre and yet I have no trouble saying it has a major problem with racism/nazism/fascism/misogyny that I've basically had to spend almost the entirety of the time I've been listening to it fighting against this element.
yeah, liberal/antifa/BLM/progressive/good people metal is also a think and it exists, but I don't think we need to tiptoe around the fact that we have some real lowlifes in the genre. fans and bands both.
― Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Thursday, 17 December 2020 23:04 (three years ago) link
*thing
i also love metal and i don't listen to very much black metal, and i feel like i am more likely to find ppl who would punch nazis than ppl who would be nazis at things like maryland deathfest and etc. this is my experience of the genre. i'm not really trying to express "#notallmetal" here, all of this stuff deserves to be interrogated and the racists and fascists need to be rooted out and deplatformed, obviously. i'm sort of sorry i even said anything
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 17 December 2020 23:23 (three years ago) link