Boces by Mercury Rev

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I like it, but aside from the latest, which I really didn't like at all, it's the Rev album I listen to the least. It's pretty erratic, and the David Baker stuff is more irritating than his songs on the first one. Opening track is a beauty.

I have been waiting for years for someone to explain what "Boces" means, if anyone has any clue...

Warren Terrah, Friday, 4 April 2003 15:54 (11 years ago) Permalink

I really dig Boces, though it is, I agree, a pretty difficult record. The first song is great (all, what, 15 minutes of it?) especially when the horns kick in. When I first bought it, I wasn't sure what to think. I thought it might just be stupid prog noodling punctuated with blasts of noise. But now I listen to it pretty frequently. I did hear, though, that this album was a flashpoint for the two main creative forces in the band, and that the recording sessions effectively caused members to leave the group. It's a pretty schizophrenic collection.

Brandon Gentry (Brandon Gentry), Friday, 4 April 2003 16:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

And "boces" means "mouths" in Spanish.

Brandon Gentry (Brandon Gentry), Friday, 4 April 2003 16:01 (11 years ago) Permalink

boces is also a, from what i understand, more than sub par community college in upstate new york. its reputation spawned the use of the term "botard", referring to those who attended it. for whatever that might be worth.

marcg (marcg), Friday, 4 April 2003 16:03 (11 years ago) Permalink

I'm pretty sure "mouths" = "bocas" in spanish, Brandon. So "boca raton" = .... rat mouth??

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 4 April 2003 16:30 (11 years ago) Permalink

I seem to recall that in amurican public schools there was a program for developmentally-challenged (in other words-the slow kids) students that was called Boces.I always thought that it was an acronym for something.( at least when I was in school. and prob mercury rev too.)

Scott Seward, Friday, 4 April 2003 16:48 (11 years ago) Permalink

I don't think it's difficult at all. It is one of the few defining records of my life, as I have said on countless other threads. but when I SAY "Boces", what I am really saying is "Boys Peel Out" and "Downs Are Feminine Balloons".

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Friday, 4 April 2003 16:52 (11 years ago) Permalink

i lived near a BOCES campus? in Syracuse its a vocational school for drop outs and such. Source of good weed as I remember

SplendidMullet (iamamonkey), Friday, 4 April 2003 16:58 (11 years ago) Permalink

Yer right, Tracer Hand. Mouths = bocas. Lo siento. I think the New York college thing is correct, now that I think about it. I recall reading about that somewhere.

Brandon Gentry (Brandon Gentry), Friday, 4 April 2003 17:20 (11 years ago) Permalink

Search ye the archives or invoke Kate To Thread!

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 4 April 2003 17:21 (11 years ago) Permalink

As seems to be the norm with Mercury Rev, I went from hating all of it to loving all of it. I think it's my current fave, or at least butting heads with See You on the Other Side. Rattles me in a good way.

gazuga (gazuga), Friday, 4 April 2003 19:49 (11 years ago) Permalink

I am a long-time Boces supporter. Da Rev's most quirky & experimental moment, with an almost free jazz feel in places. And it is indeed "bocas" for "mouths" as I understand it. Perhaps "boces" means something akin to "he mouths" in the verb form of "to mouth off" or something.

John Bullabaugh (John Bullabaugh), Friday, 4 April 2003 19:52 (11 years ago) Permalink

I got it a while ago when I was buying up the Rev's back catalogue.

I don't really understand its reputation for "difficultness"... it sounds of a piece with the wonderful "Yerself Is Steam" to me.

DV (dirtyvicar), Friday, 4 April 2003 20:01 (11 years ago) Permalink

For the record (no pun intended), BOCES is the vocational wing of New York state public high schools. (And, yes, the origin of "botard" -- an unfortunate jab at the kids so enrolled, who -- in my school at least -- had to take their own bus a couple of times a week to the nearest BOCES campus. My guess is they were probably learning a lot more useful stuff than I was.) I have no idea if this has any bearing on Mercury Rev.

Jesse Fox (Jesse Fox), Saturday, 5 April 2003 05:57 (11 years ago) Permalink

Invoking "Kate To Thread!"

Chris Barrus (Chris Barrus), Saturday, 5 April 2003 06:16 (11 years ago) Permalink

3 years pass...
Amazing album. I could talk about 'Meth Of A Rockette's Kick' alone for days on end, such is its magnificence as both an album opener and an original, startling musical manifesto. In fact, were it to have had 'Frittering' (by FAR the best track off YIS and another I could ramble on about for eons) at the end instead of 'Girlfren' it would actually be the best (BEST) album of the 90's and by extension my favourite album of all time. The way its mood flows from euphoric to confrontational to mad to chilled to freakily detached to euphoric to mad, confrontational, chilled and freakily detached all in one to euphoric to confrontationally mad ("She's a gas-powered witch!") to chillingly and freakily detached...it's a 53-minute cycle of musical emotion the like of which I've never heard bettered.

Stand up for this album, won'cha?

Scourage (Haberdager), Thursday, 24 August 2006 22:24 (7 years ago) Permalink

I LOVE LOVE LOVE Bronx Cheer.

Marmot (marmotwolof), Thursday, 24 August 2006 22:30 (7 years ago) Permalink

Aw, even 'Hi-Speed Boats' is immense! Moments 0:10 and 3:26 especially great. It's SO DARN UPLIFTING!!!

Scourage (Haberdager), Thursday, 24 August 2006 22:45 (7 years ago) Permalink

Great album.

And I guess Kate never did get to the thread.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 24 August 2006 22:48 (7 years ago) Permalink

Is she a fan too? Is MOARK one of her favourite songs? :-D

Scourage (Haberdager), Thursday, 24 August 2006 22:51 (7 years ago) Permalink

Ask her.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 24 August 2006 22:54 (7 years ago) Permalink

Huh? What?±?±? What is all this invoking me to thread?

They played Carwash Hair at Sonic Cathedrals on Thursday which made me VERY VERY happy but Yerself Is Steam (oh yeah, steam engines at Cambridge Museum of Obsolete Technology, yeah) is not as good as BOCES which is still the best Mercury Rev Album ever especially since it was partially funded the NYS cooperative board of education services, heh.

I used to play MOARK when I worked at a record store becuase it starts off so pretty, then gets so crazy it would drive the Yuppies out of my department. Excellent.

steal laptop, drive to cambridge, drink (tissp), Sunday, 27 August 2006 15:40 (7 years ago) Permalink

I never said YIS was better! Boces is the pinnacle of noise-pop and then some. And the crazy chorus on MOARK is the best bit!

Scourage (Haberdager), Sunday, 27 August 2006 15:44 (7 years ago) Permalink

Bizarre I never posted on this thread. Yerself is still better than Boces for a variety of different reasons but the latter is still a treat indeed -- interviewed Jonathan Donahue in my apartment around the time it came out (long/weird story -- the tape's around somewhere and he was somewhat tired).

Never being able to see the David Baker era of the band bugs the shit out of me to this day. At least, though, it was out of my hands -- they didn't play anywhere near LA during those years.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 27 August 2006 15:45 (7 years ago) Permalink

If the two albums exchanged Frittering and Girlfren, though, things would change, surely? ;-)

The thing about YIS is that although Chasing A Bee, Sweet Oddysee, Frittering and Very Sleepy Rivers are fantastic, entirely original compositions, the shorter songs on that album in my opinion are (easily) bettered by the shorter songs on Boces, whilst the longer tracks on that album more or less match those on Yerself, which is why I prefer the later of the two.

Scourage (Haberdager), Sunday, 27 August 2006 15:51 (7 years ago) Permalink

If the two albums exchanged Frittering and Girlfren, though, things would change, surely? ;-)

No.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 27 August 2006 15:52 (7 years ago) Permalink

OK, Chasing A Bee and Continuous Drunks And Blunders then! Or would an album with TWO similar-but-slightly-different 40-second noise collages be even better than if it just had one?

Scourage (Haberdager), Sunday, 27 August 2006 16:01 (7 years ago) Permalink

boces is perfect, one of my all time favourite albums/

i am not a nugget (stevie), Sunday, 27 August 2006 20:34 (7 years ago) Permalink

I still prefer Yerself Is Steam.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Sunday, 27 August 2006 20:41 (7 years ago) Permalink

Trickle Down is probably their most enduringly excellent moment, for me. The band pretty much hate this record, do they not? Although I got the impression that the circumstances surrounding its creation have a lot to do with that

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Sunday, 27 August 2006 20:55 (7 years ago) Permalink

They probably hate this record because they realise what they could have been had they followed it to its logical conclusion rather than faffed about with wishy-washy songs about fairy-tales. ;-)

And if they do genuinely hate it, then I'm going to have to side with David Baker. Many great albums were recorded in high-tension, non-amicable situations and for the band to turn their back on their most adventurous, successful (IMO) achievement is a tragedy. Do they even play MOARK at gigs nowadays?

It was also my first Rev album, long before YIS, so my liking of the two will probably even out after time, regardless.

Scourage (Haberdager), Sunday, 27 August 2006 21:08 (7 years ago) Permalink

I saw them in I think 1998, when Deserter's Songs was still very new and hot to trot. They did Racing The Tide, possibly Chasing A Bee - something off YIS anyhoo - and nothing off Boces. I rather doubt things have changed much in the almost eight years since. Good show, though

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Sunday, 27 August 2006 22:31 (7 years ago) Permalink

They didnt do Chasing The Bee when I saw them but they did do Frittering. But I saw set lists for the rest of the uk tour and they played CTB. I was gutted i never saw them do that.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Sunday, 27 August 2006 22:33 (7 years ago) Permalink

'something for joey' is on the forthcoming double CD best of, so i guess they don't hate it all. they've played old songs whenever i've seen them (and they have been great pretty much every time i've seen them), but i don't remember ever hearing anything off 'boces'.

i am not a nugget (stevie), Monday, 28 August 2006 12:36 (7 years ago) Permalink

BOCES was also the first one that I heard, so maybe that explains my love too.

After growing to love BOCES, when I got back to YIS it just seemed too meandering. Funny that BOCES - which has such long epic meandering songs that it makes Can look like they have ADD - was the most focused of the early Rev albums.

Goldene Schnitt (kate), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 09:10 (7 years ago) Permalink

I really dig both Boces & Yerself Is Steam

nicky lo-fi (nicky lo-fi), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 09:46 (7 years ago) Permalink

Yes, but this is ILM. We have to take sides and stuff. ;-)

Goldene Schnitt (kate), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 09:46 (7 years ago) Permalink

a total classic. one of the albums i first bought on cassette. which means i listened to it hundreds of times in the car. therefore, there's not a blemish here. all the swaggering kinks have been molded to my brain.

m.

msp (mspa), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 11:22 (7 years ago) Permalink

They actually gave me the promo copy from T0w3r R3c0rds to take home because I was playing it too much in the shop.

Goldene Schnitt (kate), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 11:46 (7 years ago) Permalink

3 years pass...

"Bronx Cheer" is phenomenal. The rest hasn't jelled for me yet.

Vanilla Douche (res), Friday, 21 May 2010 00:43 (3 years ago) Permalink

This is a terrific wacked-out journey. "Meth of a Rockette's Kiss" etc.... Their weirdness factor went way down when Dave Baker departed, but I also have a soft spot for See You On the Other Side, which may be a bit less 'classic' but a more 'lost.'

ImprovSpirit, Friday, 21 May 2010 15:15 (3 years ago) Permalink

beside 3-4 fillers - great record - with better songs than Steam imo

Zeno, Friday, 21 May 2010 15:17 (3 years ago) Permalink

except Frittering

Dan, Dan, DARRAGH (acoleuthic), Friday, 21 May 2010 15:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

but yeah, Boces is the superior record overall. Meth Of A Rockette's Kick blew my young mind in about seventeen different euphoric directions - it never fully recomposed

Dan, Dan, DARRAGH (acoleuthic), Friday, 21 May 2010 15:26 (3 years ago) Permalink

So that's why you like Oceansize, then...

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Friday, 21 May 2010 16:03 (3 years ago) Permalink

^^^important post

Dan, Dan, DARRAGH (acoleuthic), Friday, 21 May 2010 16:05 (3 years ago) Permalink

I'm good at those, huh?

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Friday, 21 May 2010 16:08 (3 years ago) Permalink

Just kidding, anyway. And I concur about "Rockette" being something else...

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Friday, 21 May 2010 16:08 (3 years ago) Permalink

2 years pass...

Picked up a single over the weekend from this album I had completely missed all those years ago, namely "Bronx Cheer" -- the US version, which logically enough has the B-sides from the UK "Something for Joey" single where the US "Something for Joey" single had other tracks entirely. The fact that the Rev released songs entitled "There's Spider Eggs In Bubbla Yhum" and "Pop Rocks + Soda = Kaboom" makes me so happy.

Found the rough audience video from their 1993 show at the Phoenix Festival that year; there's cleaner audio due to radio/B-side releases elsewhere but if you want to enjoy David Baker in full flight:

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL94B5E81559DB82EF&feature=mh_lolz

Ned Raggett, Monday, 21 May 2012 14:39 (1 year ago) Permalink

havent listened to this stuff in aaaaaages but this was the only m-rev period i was into, i was also into marijuana at the time

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Monday, 21 May 2012 15:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

Well there ya go.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 21 May 2012 15:34 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah these guys got really boring starting with deserters songs

congratulations (n/a), Monday, 21 May 2012 15:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

Man, this revive got me to go listen to "Frittering" again, what a cool song. Never bothered with anything that didn't have D. Baker in the band, just seemed like a different beast.

grandavis, Monday, 21 May 2012 15:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

It took me a while to appreciate See You On the Other Side in full but it and the Harmony Rockets album (and even Deserter's Songs, which I enjoy as a one-off as opposed to setting the tone for everything that followed) showed that even post-Baker there was a lot going on. Grasshopper's solo album in 1998 or so was also fun.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 21 May 2012 15:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

Yeah, maybe someday I'll get to them ...

grandavis, Monday, 21 May 2012 15:54 (1 year ago) Permalink

I really like both of the Baker lps & his solo thing Shady. I think Boces was all recorded by the band in the same room at the same time as opposed to Yerself is Steam which i'd at least heard was mainly recorded one at a time with nobody having the same agenda. i think it might also benefit from having had the band play out several times before its recording which i think YIS didn't. Think YIS was more of an art project and Boces more of a band, from what I recall of reading things around the time it appeared and maybe the same things again since.

I thought Boces was a mental institute upstate in nNew york so may be remembering that wrong.

I finally managed to get several early live sets together over the last few years only to have the hard drive they were aon become inaccessible last year. It's now saying it needs formatting. Have hoped I'd be able to retrievwe contents but not had anywhereto transfer them to so not tried. & now hoping I haven't left it too late now.

Stevolende, Monday, 21 May 2012 15:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

Ned OTM about the post-Baker stuff

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 21 May 2012 15:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

Shady is great! I really, really wish I could have found the interview I did with him when it came out -- he was a hilarious, friendly interviewee, would talk to him again any time.

Here's your real life Boces:

http://www.boces.org/wps/portal/BOCESofNYS

Ned Raggett, Monday, 21 May 2012 16:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

Ned are you stalking me? I got this album out this weekend for the first time in years.

I was gonna explain BOCES to ppl who have never lived in Upstate NY but I see he got there first.

They called the album BOCES bcuz IIRC they got some money out of the Educational Board to record the thing, can't recall how.

They have fangs, They have teeth! (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Monday, 21 May 2012 16:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

Hahah had never heard that but that would hilarious. And I could see it! No stalking here, I was just startled to see that "Bronx Cheer" EP, and happy to get it! Great cover art of course, "Stereo Prophetic" was the tag on the spine for this one:

I should scan in the art on the CD itself.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 21 May 2012 16:33 (1 year ago) Permalink

Oh yeah, reverse of the booklet/slip:

Ned Raggett, Monday, 21 May 2012 16:34 (1 year ago) Permalink

I think I've got just about all the actual CD singles covering the first three albums aside from "The Hum is Coming From Her"/"So There" now. I don't have the actual "If You Want Me to Stay" single but I did end up with the Rough Trade Japan comp for the singles club with that on it so at least there's the B-side too.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 21 May 2012 16:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

BOCES funded a lot of weird shit. They paid for my first comic - training on the printing press, clearly!

This album is such a time & place for me - ironically after I moved down to NYC (this year, make NYC a state!) It's so the sound of working the night shift at the record shop.

They have fangs, They have teeth! (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Monday, 21 May 2012 16:41 (1 year ago) Permalink

hah, i love this record. i saw them play portsmouth on the tour and it remains the most comprehensively fucked musical episode i have ever witnessed ,it must have been in the final months of baker's tenure, no one could have endured that unbridled madness for long. i think at least three people were crying onstage.

cw, Monday, 21 May 2012 19:12 (1 year ago) Permalink

The fact that the Rev released songs entitled "There's Spider Eggs In Bubbla Yhum" and "Pop Rocks + Soda = Kaboom" makes me so happy.

YES!

Great cover art of course

I had this & remember really digging the cover art as well - it was like a close-up photo of a bunch of balloons or lollypops iirc

Apartment of Evil (Pillbox), Monday, 21 May 2012 20:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

it was boobs iirc

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Monday, 21 May 2012 20:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

That was the album, "Bronx Cheer"'s cover is upthread a short distance.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 21 May 2012 20:32 (1 year ago) Permalink

odd how their flawless visual aesthetic went wrong the moment they turned aor

cw, Monday, 21 May 2012 20:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

^ otm (but i think you mean mor)

havent listened to this stuff in aaaaaages but this was the only m-rev period i was into, i was also into marijuana at the time

― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Monday, May 21, 2012 8:00 AM

Man, this revive got me to go listen to "Frittering" again, what a cool song. Never bothered with anything that didn't have D. Baker in the band, just seemed like a different beast.

― grandavis, Monday, May 21, 2012 8:40 AM

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that basically how I break it down to an extent. though i quite liked see you on the other side as a transitional piece, absent the noise blowouts, lysergic weirdness and rough humanity of the baker era, the softer & more refined pop-psyche explorations that came after didn't interest me much. at the time, the dropoff struck me as similar to whatever happened to stereolab post ETK.

saw them on tour for yrself is steam in 91 and chatted with david afterwards. seemed like a pretty cool guy.

spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Monday, 21 May 2012 20:37 (1 year ago) Permalink

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there was only supposed to be that one part

spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Monday, 21 May 2012 20:37 (1 year ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

This is such an important record to me. I see all its faults and yet it is still pretty close to a perfect cultural artifact in a personal sense. Even just looking at the cover is guaranteed to make me instantly 15% more happy and it's not because of the boobs.

/\ /\ Delete post (admrl), Wednesday, 19 September 2012 17:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

like

Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Wednesday, 19 September 2012 17:37 (1 year ago) Permalink

though i literally havent listened to this in at least 15 years

Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Wednesday, 19 September 2012 17:37 (1 year ago) Permalink

Listen to it!

/\ /\ Delete post (admrl), Wednesday, 19 September 2012 17:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

Boces and See You On The Other Side especially are my go-to albums of Mercury Rev's best output

'Separate Lives', by Phil Collins & Marilyn Manson (PaulTMA), Wednesday, 19 September 2012 23:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

all true, but yrself is steam is better

nostormo, Thursday, 20 September 2012 19:17 (1 year ago) Permalink

"Bronx Cheer" = rule
later Mercury Rev = crap.

Poliopolice, Thursday, 20 September 2012 19:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

these days I actually think See You On the Other Side is the best

stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 September 2012 19:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

I like career midpoints, I've realized

stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 September 2012 19:39 (1 year ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

Reflections from Mr. Baker

http://thequietus.com/articles/13628-mercury-rev-boces-anniversary-review

Ned Raggett, Friday, 18 October 2013 15:12 (5 months ago) Permalink

ooh cool!

HAVE YOU SEEN ME? Please don't hesitate (imago), Friday, 18 October 2013 15:14 (5 months ago) Permalink

would have YIS a few notches ahead of it now, but fuck me what a formative experience this record was

HAVE YOU SEEN ME? Please don't hesitate (imago), Friday, 18 October 2013 15:17 (5 months ago) Permalink

“'Trickle Down' was me trying to express what it was to be nervous.”

aye. might be my favourite track nowadays

HAVE YOU SEEN ME? Please don't hesitate (imago), Friday, 18 October 2013 15:29 (5 months ago) Permalink

I was thinking about doing a Pixies vs Mercury Rev poll a few weeks back but didn't have the time. I do think however that YIS/Boces might be a better one-two punch than SR/Doolittle

nypc blue (Drugs A. Money), Saturday, 19 October 2013 11:31 (5 months ago) Permalink

the band live at Phoenix, chemically enhanced?

Stevolende, Saturday, 19 October 2013 12:55 (5 months ago) Permalink


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