Ned, let's talk about your 136 Albums of the 90s.

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Oh yeah, one more comment Ned,

TOO MUCH FUCKING SYNTHPOP

thank you

qurslpis, Friday, 31 October 2003 06:08 (twenty years ago) link

TOO MUCH FUCKING SYNTHPOP

There can never be enough. Mm, getting sleepy, that's all for tonight on this thread from me.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 31 October 2003 06:14 (twenty years ago) link

Goo Goo Dolls rock!

My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Friday, 31 October 2003 07:18 (twenty years ago) link

Ned has inexplicable bizarre dislikes such as Buckley and Elliott Smith which continue to bewilder me (well I understand teh Buckley dislike actually). But, I will say this, his list made me go back and actually purchase Mellon Collie which I derided for years as total crap after having heard it twice on a cross country drive, and I decided I actually like it (and, then, I decided I liked most of Adore also, particularly the last four or five songs). So, no-sideburns wearin', Jeff Buckley-hatin' Ned, I give you props for that.

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Friday, 31 October 2003 07:41 (twenty years ago) link

Mellon Collie, doesn't that inhabit the whingecore genre, shudder

mentalist (mentalist), Friday, 31 October 2003 08:39 (twenty years ago) link

"Tim Finney, you are immediately ten times more interesting to me, knowing that you weren't a dance fan until quite recently."

Well we're talking four and a half years ago now.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 31 October 2003 09:11 (twenty years ago) link

Fuck, I've only got 5! There's a lot more I'd like, but still.

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 31 October 2003 09:17 (twenty years ago) link

I've got 26. Big props for mentioning the Veldt.

mookieproof (mookieproof), Friday, 31 October 2003 16:44 (twenty years ago) link

The Veldt remain my great 'what if' band from the nineties. They shoulda been huge.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 31 October 2003 16:45 (twenty years ago) link

Oh my god. The Veldt! Suddenly it's 1991 all over again!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 31 October 2003 18:07 (twenty years ago) link

I have 64 out of the 136.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 31 October 2003 18:10 (twenty years ago) link

I have 47. I thought I had more...

Nicolars (Nicole), Friday, 31 October 2003 18:16 (twenty years ago) link

I own exactly 50 of these. There were roughly 20 albums in this list I either hadn't heard of or bothered with.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Friday, 31 October 2003 18:24 (twenty years ago) link

MBV, Slowdive, Boos, Ride, Cranes (yay) all present and CORRECT, but one question remains: whither Lush?

David Merryweather (DavidM), Friday, 31 October 2003 20:05 (twenty years ago) link

Lush is in the fuckin' used bins where they belong.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Friday, 31 October 2003 20:10 (twenty years ago) link

wow, i only have 41. when i first read the series, for some reason i was under the impression that i owned more. maybe because i've got 13 of the top 20.

Felcher (Felcher), Friday, 31 October 2003 20:16 (twenty years ago) link

No Maxinquaye ! ? ! ? @ ~ ! !

*MASSIVELY* overrated. A couple of great songs, otherwise Pre-Millenial Tension rules in comparison.

Sorry Ned, but with all due respect you're utterly wrong. Maxinquaye was the best record of the decade. PMT, OTOH, is mostly a pile of poo.

Freedom Dupont, Friday, 31 October 2003 20:23 (twenty years ago) link

i only have 4 of these. and it's a good thing! ;-D

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 31 October 2003 20:24 (twenty years ago) link

Sorry Ned, but with all due respect you're utterly wrong.

Look, I'm not getting into another argument of the objective validity of personal opinion! You think one way, I think another, life goes on. :-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 31 October 2003 20:33 (twenty years ago) link

This won't be published when Pitchfork redoes its list, so, bombs away.

1. My Bloody Valentine - Loveless
2. Jesus Lizard - Goat
3. Radiohead - OK Computer
4. DJ Shadow - Entroducing...
5. Portishead - Dummy
6. Slint - Spiderland
7. Flaming Lips - The Soft Bulletin
8. Bjork - Post
9. Pavement - Slanted & Enchanted
10. Breeders - Pod
11. Yo La Tengo - Painful
12. Lemonheads - It's a Shame About Ray
13. Liz Phair - Exile in Guyville
14. Warlock Pinchers - Circusized Peanuts
15. Ride - Nowhere
16. Built to Spill - Perfect From Now On
17. Aphex Twin - I Care Because You Do
18. Primal Scream - Screamedelica
19. Cocteau Twins - Heaven or Las Vegas
20. Bjork - Homogenic
21. Dinosaur Jr. - Green Mind
22. Nirvana - Nevermind
23. Mercury Rev - Yerself is Steam
24. Happy Mondays - Pills 'N' Thrills and Bellyaches
25. Sonic Youth - Goo
26. Tricky - Maxinquaye
27. Spiritualized - Pure Phase
28. Morrissey - Vauxhall and I
29. Jesus Lizard - Liar
30. Luna - Bewitched
31. Swell - 41
32. Stereolab - Mars Audiac Quintet
33. Aphex Twin - Selected Ambient Works II
34. Screeching Weasel - My Brain Hurts
35. His Name is Alive - Stars on E.S.P.
36. Oval - 94diskont
37. Bedhead - Whatfunlifewas
38. Busta Rhymes - When Disaster Strikes
39. Built to Spill - There's Nothing Wrong With Love
40. Seefeel - Quique
41. Sinead O'Connor - I Do Not Want What I Havent Got
42. Burger/Ink - Las Vegas
43. Sunny Day Real Estate - LP2
44. Ride - Going Blank Again
45. Seam - The Problem With Me
46. Sonora Pine - II
47. PJ Harvey - Rid of Me
48. Codeine - Frigid Stars
49. Smashing Pumpkins - Siamese Dream
50. Swirlies - They Spent Their Wild Youthful Days...
51. Replacements - All Shook Down
52. Weezer - Blue
53. Karate - Karate
54. Pixies - Bossanova
55. Talk Talk - Laughing Stock
56. Pavement - Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain
57. Chapterhouse - Whirlpool
58. Helmet - Meantime
59. Orbital - Orbital 2
60. Luna - Penthouse
61. Archers of Loaf - Vee Vee
62. U2 - Achtung Baby
63. Dinosaur Jr. - Where You Been?
64. Rage Against the Machine - The Battle of Los Angeles
65. Yo La Tengo - Electr-o-pura
66. Massive Attack - Mezzanine
67. Dismemberment Plan - Emergency & I
68. Magnetic Fields - Holiday
69. Superchunk - On the Mouth
70. Dave Matthews Band - Under the Table and Dreaming
71. Swirlies - Blondertongueaudiobaton
72. Low - The Curtain Hits the Cast
73. Throwing Muses - The Real Ramona
74. Radiohead - The Bends
75. Melvins - Houdini
76. Sebadoh - III
77. Curve - Doppelganger
78. Peter Gabriel - Us
79. Oasis - (What's the Story) Morning Glory?
80. Drive Like Jehu - Yank Crime
81. Codeine - The White Birch
82. Milf - Ha Ha Bus!
83. F.Y.P. - Finish Your Popcorn
84. Belle and Sebastian - Tigermilk
85. Quicksand - Slip
86. Mogwai - Come on Die Young
87. Guided By Voices - Alien Lanes
88. Strung Out - Suburban Teenage Wasteland Blues
89. Faint - Blank Wave Arcade
90. Suzanne Vega - 99.9F
91. Jawbreaker - 24 Hour Revenge Therapy
92. Liz Phair - Whip Smart
93. The The - Dusk
94. Bettie Seveert - Palomine
95. 18th Dye - Tribute to a Bus
96. Unrest - Imperial F.F.R.R.
97. Galaxie 500 - This is Our Music
98. Moby - Ambient
99. Prince - (Love Symbol Album)
100. Beat Happening - You Turn Me On

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Friday, 31 October 2003 20:44 (twenty years ago) link

Lush is in the fuckin' used bins where they belong.

Huh, I wish. Then I could replace stolen copies.

David Merryweather (DavidM), Friday, 31 October 2003 20:57 (twenty years ago) link

I have 17, and there's really only one or two that feels Ned's influence (MBV (which I'm still not *ducks* into), and DCD).

Leee (Leee), Friday, 31 October 2003 22:25 (twenty years ago) link

Jesus Christ. I have 67 of Ott's top 100 -- 18 of the top 20.

Good things: Seam getting some 'spect. Goat at #2. Seefeel (also seen on Ned's list). Drive lIke Jehu. The The's Dusk -- their best album, though no one will admit it.

Bad things: The lackluster Replacements album. They Spent Their Wild Youthful Days ranked higher than Blondertongueaudiobaton. Bossanova, but no Trompe le Monde. Moby's Ambient.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 31 October 2003 23:30 (twenty years ago) link

You sure do love you some indie rock.

Mr. Snrub, Saturday, 1 November 2003 00:37 (twenty years ago) link

Any best-of-the-nineties list that does not include Swans The Great Annihilator is deficient ;)

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Saturday, 1 November 2003 00:40 (twenty years ago) link

i have 10 of ned's list and 10 of ott's.

mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Saturday, 1 November 2003 00:41 (twenty years ago) link

I have exactly 1/4 of Ott's - 25. With another 6 or 7 in the "always meant to pick up" pile.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Saturday, 1 November 2003 00:45 (twenty years ago) link

only 40 Neddite albums.

badgerminor (badgerminor), Saturday, 1 November 2003 00:47 (twenty years ago) link

I didn't know Loveless was such a huge critical fave. How can you like an album with such a ridiculously awful tinny drum sound? You'd think with half-a-million pounds the band could've afforded some good production. Sigh. Spent too much money on those darn guitars.

Mister Snrub (MisterSnrub), Saturday, 1 November 2003 00:49 (twenty years ago) link

Tying into Nick "No. 5" Southall's query re: evaluating status, I intentionally focused on the album format, mostly chose records I rarely turned off once the laser hit the plastic. As far as "You sure do love some indie rock" goes, at least half of the albums on my list were on major labels.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Saturday, 1 November 2003 00:51 (twenty years ago) link

So? Okay okay. You sure do love you some alternative rock.

Mister Snrub (MisterSnrub), Saturday, 1 November 2003 00:52 (twenty years ago) link

Snrub, the drum sound is half about their drummer not being studio caliber and half about controlling the kit in the mix; apart from "Only Shallow", I always felt the drums were mixed under the guitars to simulate how loud the guitars should be, e.g. that they would drown out drums.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Saturday, 1 November 2003 00:55 (twenty years ago) link

What's the name of this forum, Snrub. Say it with me.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Saturday, 1 November 2003 00:56 (twenty years ago) link

Both kinds, then -- indie and alternative.

Andy K (Andy K), Saturday, 1 November 2003 01:06 (twenty years ago) link

Bleh.

Mister Snrub (MisterSnrub), Saturday, 1 November 2003 01:08 (twenty years ago) link

You forgot 'guitar rock,' apparently. As opposed to 'bass rock' and 'drum rock.'

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 1 November 2003 01:08 (twenty years ago) link

Snrub, I sometimes look at my list and think "*Ugh* White indie rock" too, but all the rap albums I heard/had/taped in the 90s tended to have two or three great songs and shitloads of filler. Apocalypse 91 should have been on there, but popularly celebrated albums like 3 Feet High... or even underdog stuff like A Wolf in Sheep's Clothing and Wrath of the Math, I never make it through them in one listen, I get distracted or bored by weak tracks; for me it only takes one boring backing track to kill the vibe. Tribe's records dragged on for me-- "Show Business"/"Vibes and Stuff"/"The Infamous Date Rape" totally derailed Low End Theory.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Saturday, 1 November 2003 01:17 (twenty years ago) link

wow, i only have 18, of which 9 i don't listen to much and most overlap from pop into something else. I'm assuming (guessing really) a lot of it is pop, synth or otherwise. I always need more pop music. Is this 'pop' music that has lasted ? Presumably yes. Maybe i'll bother, though not 113 hours at once (136 x 50 minutes). I'll chip away, but it's another maze-map anyway.

i think these lists of opinion by lots of people are extraordinarily useful in todays music world -- i can only admire Ned's useful hyper-qualified effort here -- i wish that more of people's big lists were so good at qualification, on rationale.

and Ned seems to like participating here, which makes the list potentially 'interactive' (cool) (well that's up to him, all those hyper-qualifications enough volunteering already).

Thank You Ned.

george gosset (gegoss), Saturday, 1 November 2003 02:14 (twenty years ago) link

me, i prefer Fear of a Black Planet to Miilions (which it superceded. It hasn't been superceded by anything i've heard (including Apocalypse 91). Whatever happened to Eric (Vietnam) Sadler.

george gosset (gegoss), Saturday, 1 November 2003 02:27 (twenty years ago) link

I think the PE albums were inconsistent. I mean, you can't expect them to do twenty tunes as good as Brothers Gonna Work It Out or By The Time I Get To Arizona. What about AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted??

Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Saturday, 1 November 2003 02:45 (twenty years ago) link

but popularly celebrated albums like 3 Feet High...

That's not even that great an album. Is Dead is much better. There's nothing whiter than listing 3 Feet High on your hip-hop best-of. Okay, except for listing PM Dawn.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Saturday, 1 November 2003 04:42 (twenty years ago) link

Yes there is Kenan: Low End Theory. Is Dead does have that fetching Deep Cover sample going for it.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Saturday, 1 November 2003 04:46 (twenty years ago) link

Thank You Ned.

Yer welcome. The list -- which was composed a year before the start of ILX, to give it some context -- was very much a combination of whim and opportunity, but it seems to have lasted as an interesting enough personal document. But yeah, actually talking about every record -- which I did while listening to each specific one as I went -- is I think its best feature in the end.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 1 November 2003 05:38 (twenty years ago) link

actually talking about every record is I think its best feature in the end.
Absolutely, makes it a standalone feature.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Saturday, 1 November 2003 05:43 (twenty years ago) link

(Aside: Chris, I'm sitting listening to a selection of stuff from 92-93, Swervedriver included, and Dinosaur Jr, and I'm retroactively pissed at myself for letting you drag me into that stupid argument, seeing as how you're just plain wrong, not even to be debated. Cock rock? You think J Mascis is being ironic? What universe are you in? Having not actually listened to that stuff in a while, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt, like you know, "Oh, yeah, those heavy riffs, that must be what he means, and Dinosaur Jr's irony must be, like..." Actually, I don't know what I was thinking on that one. But I'm sitting here listening to the music, thinking to myself, Jesus, Chris Ott really has no idea what he's talking about does he? Not like, Chris Ott has an opinion and he's entitled to it, more like, Chris Ott just makes shit up. It's infuriating, really.)

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Saturday, 1 November 2003 07:01 (twenty years ago) link

That's fine Kenan.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Saturday, 1 November 2003 07:38 (twenty years ago) link

14. Warlock Pinchers - Circusized Peanuts

Oh man.

Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Saturday, 1 November 2003 07:41 (twenty years ago) link

"Snrub, I sometimes look at my list and think "*Ugh* White indie rock" too, but all the rap albums I heard/had/taped in the 90s tended to have two or three great songs and shitloads of filler. Apocalypse 91 should have been on there, but popularly celebrated albums like 3 Feet High... or even underdog stuff like A Wolf in Sheep's Clothing and Wrath of the Math, I never make it through them in one listen, I get distracted or bored by weak tracks; for me it only takes one boring backing track to kill the vibe. Tribe's records dragged on for me-- "Show Business"/"Vibes and Stuff"/"The Infamous Date Rape" totally derailed Low End Theory."

Weird..."Show Business" is a weak track!? Frankly, I think hip hop hit a peak in the early 90s of flat-out PERFECTION that it has been unable to attain since...I'm not sure how you can dismiss albums like "Hard to Earn," "Illmatic," "Ready to Die," or "The Sun Rises..." as having filler tracks. Sounds sorta crazy to me...that was the peak of the Q-Tip-Large Pro-DJ Premier-Pete Rock production explosion, where the creativity and progressive production of the hip hop albums were achievements unsurpassed today...frankly, I find myself more bored listening to a lot of rock albums from the early 90s - Pearl Jam, RHCP, etc. etc. etc. than I do listening to hip hop. And indie rock, as a general rule, bores me SENSELESS. I do love My Bloody Valentine though.

ddrake, Saturday, 1 November 2003 09:11 (twenty years ago) link

It would be pretty hard for me to put too many hip-hop albums on a 'favorite albums' list simply because they all have filler. I mean, lets not forget intros, interludes, skits, intermissions, shout outs, etc... are still pointless. An amazing album is amazing because every second of it is worth your time; and it also has to be sonically constistent from start to finish. 6 Feet Deep, Illmatic, Chronic 2001, The Infamous, there's not many. I love hip-hop but its not an album genre.

Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Saturday, 1 November 2003 16:57 (twenty years ago) link

''hip-hop but its not an album genre''

?

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 1 November 2003 17:00 (twenty years ago) link


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