Ned, let's talk about your 136 Albums of the 90s.

Not to play captain save-an-ott, but could everyone else on this thread also post lists that they made 10+ years ago that they feel 100% secure in now?

Personally, what I find fascinating isn't that tastes change, but that he claims to hav put an album in his Top Ten by a band he's always hated solely because of the critical peer pressure he felt (That his take on CRCR softened after this list was pulled up is less surprising). There are plenty of albums I overrated due to critical Kool-Aid and naivete, but I can't think of a time I pushed an album knowing it sucks.

Not clowning 0tt's list at all, I think it's pretty good (given that I own >50% of its albums, I'd be a fool to say otherwise).

xxp

Deadly Kung-Fu is sort of in-between music and a Jerky Boys tape; Peanuts is a real record, I still love "Introducing Ourselves" and "Dancehall" to death. Colorado Krew 7"s have to go for big bucks today.

but I can't think of a time I pushed an album knowing it sucks.

That is a valid argument there, irt the Pavement, but it kind of felt like everyone was piling on Ott.

Link?

http://tclub.obninsk.ru/psb/pitchforkmedia.html

Hey thanks, this is awesome. Totally love the looks of Mark R.'s list, pretty consistent with what I've come to discern as his tastes these days. DLe0ne's list is really great as well. St0suy's list is good, some heavier and out-there stuff on his and Dom's both. And if you're looking for a '90s hip-hop centric list, R0llie P.'s cites some really really great albums.

Admittedly I thought Ryan Schr3ib3r's list was great -- Daniel Johnson as #1 pick?? followed by XTC, Daft Punk and the Cure -- until I realized he ranked his list in reverse... Bonnie Prince Billy, Neutral Milk Hotel 1-2 punch... zzzzzzzzzzzzz

I mean, any list I would have made in 1999 had I put one together, would have held both Terror Twilight and Californication in embarrassingly high esteem.

You're assuming my intentions to frame an indictment, croup. And you're wrong and sad. I listened to Soft Bulletin a lot when it came out and still like "Buzzin'", but the idea that it's one of the 10 best records of the decade, that was an editorial mission, of using the album as a means to call out something very new as canon for the decade, lending Pitchfork herald status. That's an idea I went along with, and that infected my consideration of it against the music I was more personally invested in - like the Warlock Pinchers, for example. I was caught up in something else, something less honest, it embarrasses me to recognize it now, but that's all there is to it.

I've mentioned before how hilarious it was when this ran; Ryan took Rollie's list and folded into the aggregate results the way one shuffles a deck of cards. All pretense to continuity out the window, must pretend "we get rap".

dude you said I hate the Flaming Lips to death and always have forgive me for not thinking you dug "buzzin'"

I find it hard to understand, let alone forgive, your obsession with this entire discourse, but I'll chalk it up to the distance between where we both are in life.

lol

Ryan took Rollie's list and folded into the aggregate results the way one shuffles a deck of cards. All pretense to continuity out the window, must pretend "we get rap".

looooooooool @ this

pretty sure we're both married dudes not seeking careers in rockcrit who still post on ILX and laugh about what Ryan Schrieber wrote in 1998, ott. I just don't also post on Hipinion.

Re: folding hip-hop albums into the 2003 list... does Schreiber listen to any hip-hop nowadays?? I mean, obviously dude is enthused about stuff like Deerhunter, Bear in Heaven, Bon Iver, Real Estate, Surfer Blood, Grizzly Bear, etc. but has he broadened out from his little indie-rock safety net in recent years? (Not that I'm condemning him either way, tastes are tastes; just curious.)

listening to hip hop is so dangerous

R0ll13 P3mb3rt0n's Pfork list is fantastic, at least 50-55 albums there that I really really love. Any opinions on the following stuff, which I've never heard? (Guessing this is 99% hip-hop, I'm just wondering what's worth prioritizing and hearing.)

2. Aceyalone - A Book Of Human Language
3. Black Sheep - A Wolf In Sheep’s Clothing
10. Casual - Fear Itself
25. Organized Konfusion - Stress: The Extinction Agenda
27. Ras Kass - Soul On Ice
34. Gravediggaz - 6 Feet Deep
43. Freestyle Fellowship - To Whom It May Concern
45. Method Man - Tical
46. Prince Paul - A Prince Among Thieves
47. UNKLE - Psyence Fiction
48. Brand Nubian - One For All
49. Handsome Boy Modelling School - So…How’s Your Girl?
53. Souls of Mischief - 93 ‘Til Infinity
59. Onyx - All We Got Iz Us
60. Freestyle Fellowship - Innercity Griots
63. Del Tha Funkee Homosapien - No Need For Alarm
64. Mobb Deep - The Infamous
68. Buck 65 - Vertex
73. Digable Planets - Blowout Comb
74. KRS-One - Return of the Boom Bap
83. Mobb Deep - Hell On Earth
85. Rawkus Presents Soundbombing II
88. Redman - Dare Iz A Darkside
91. OC - Word Life
98. Main Source - Breaking Atoms

at least 80 percent of those are hip-hop canon classics (or second-tier hip-hop canon classics) to a greater or lesser extent.

I like pretty much all the albums on that list I've heard (Gravediggaz, Prince Paul, Brand Nubian, Mobb Deep, Digable Planets) though Handsome Boy is pretty hit-or-miss in hindsight. Been meaning to check out the Souls Of Mischief full-length cuz the title track is so damn good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Skjgq4ILB_s

ironically enough I first heard the loop from 93 in a blend and what made of that and TI's "I'm Serious"

these would be my four choices-to-check-out-first, simply based on how much i like them, though really everything except the two prince paul records and unkle are pretty solid start to finish:

25. Organized Konfusion - Stress: The Extinction Agenda
48. Brand Nubian - One For All
64. Mobb Deep - The Infamous
98. Main Source - Breaking Atoms

Rollie was 17 years old when he made that list.

2. Aceyalone - A Book Of Human Language totally don't remember a thing about this, altho I owned it at one point.
3. Black Sheep - A Wolf In Sheep’s Clothing GREAT, funny, fairly low-key, lots of jokey sex rhymes.
25. Organized Konfusion - Stress: The Extinction Agenda dunno how this measures up to the debut, which is really solid
45. Method Man - Tical this is one of the weirdest, murkiest, darkest sounding hip hop records I have ever heard. it's not really as great as the other first-string solo Wu releases but it's definitely worth hearing. the beats sound like they were all recorded underwater in a garbage can.
46. Prince Paul - A Prince Among Thieves CLASSIC, severely underrated. probably the best hip-hop concept album ever, and one that tells a coherent, clever story with solid performances from all involved plus top-notch head-nodding Prince Paul beats.
48. Brand Nubian - One For All CLASSIC. I think there's only one track on here that is not fantastic. 5 Percenters + Native Tongues, basically.
49. Handsome Boy Modelling School - So…How’s Your Girl? HORRIBLE. god I hate the Automator. a bummer that Prince Paul ever got involved with him
60. Freestyle Fellowship - Innercity Griots kinda the West Coast answer to Native Tongues (aceyalone above was the main "breakout" member). rapping is amazingly nimble and dense but apart from one or two tracks I always felt their beats were kinda blah. Bullies of the Block is a great opening track tho.
63. Del Tha Funkee Homosapien - No Need For Alarm heretical challops = I prefer his first album (which sounds more like an Ice Cube album)
64. Mobb Deep - The Infamous CLASSIC
73. Digable Planets - Blowout Comb CLASSIC, better than the first
98. Main Source - Breaking Atoms CLASSIC

at least 80 percent of those are hip-hop canon classics (or second-tier hip-hop canon classics) to a greater or lesser extent.

this is pretty true, altho it's kinda more heavily weighted on the backpacker end of things.

Also croup don't give me the fucking bro card u mad.

mad about what?

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Tical and No Need for Alarm were big crossover records. I mean if I had them, you crossed over.

If you pit that list against others from the same time I think that's a net positive. In the same way other staff members stumped for the Wrens or Walt Mink; I just had better taste.

god damn you really are just a character aren't you

0tt why don't you just start a blog about it?

I did: http://geegeegeegeebabybabybaby.blogspot.com

I have a house but only some people are allowed to see it

in clicking on that Pitchfork individual writers' lists, I see that though I voted in it (and submitted a list), it has been excised entirely. written out of the anals of pfork history, i guess.

the anals of pitchfork

why y'all be google-proofin' all over this thread?

book idea: 500 best bands of independent music by editors and writers of pitchfork, as well as guests from the independent music scene-- other editors/writers, band members, record store/label owners, etc. To range from 70s-00s (maybe 60s?). Each artist's entry would rate each of the band's albums, and include a few paragraph talking about the band's history. Core group of writers would split some of the profit. Others-- band members, etc.-- would lend Top 10 lists for sidebars, histories of major events or turning points for various genres, etc. (and possibly write some entries) as a favor.

publish "concise edition" of pitchfork archive as large book-like magazine (such as "independent musician's resource") run with advertisements, update yearly, beginning with 2003

advantages:
++content already there!
self-publish, sell through website (more $$)
charge near-book ($8.95?) prices

― Ryan Schreiber, Friday, January 17, 2003 9:19 AM (a wicked long time ago)

in clicking on that Pitchfork individual writers' lists, I see that though I voted in it (and submitted a list), it has been excised entirely. written out of the anals of pfork history, i guess.

― beta blog

Just curious, who are you?

Someone with an unbelievable voicemail from me blown six stories high.

god, i wish. changing phone companies meant losing that "restraining order-worthy" voicemail.

ilxor, try google.

25. Organized Konfusion - Stress: The Extinction Agenda dunno how this measures up to the debut, which is really solid

shakey it more than measures up, classic shit iMO

Gotcha. Hi there!

xp

Dude I'm sorry about that for what it's worth. I hope you found the headspace to laugh it off.

no worries. i'm more pissed that i didn't make an mp3 of it for the internet to enjoy.

I'm sure this has been covered on one of the Disco Inferno threads but I'm interested to know how highly Ned rates Technicolour? I know he and most people seem to prefer DI Goes Pop but having In Debt in the list and not Technicolour is really surprising. I really rate DI Goes Pop but I love Technicolour so much more.

I was shocked to see Menswe@r so high. I was obsessed with that band at the time even to the point where I bought the second album. I recently put Nuisance on and was disappointed at how much I wanted to skip.

I really rate DI Goes Pop but I love Technicolour so much more.

^^

Technicolour is what it is. I feel strangely neutral about it.

OMG this thread.

Memories, corners of mind.