Rolling Late-60's/Early-70's Thud-Rock Thread

I don't care about the price-I gotta have the live Cactus

the Toad s/t is a major jam in this vein

awesome 74 live foghat show from new haven on wolfgang's vault:

http://concerts.wolfgangsvault.com/dt/foghat-concert/20053075-2393.html?utm_source=NL&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=071212

raging honey hush. really good sound too.

the free disc with the led zeppelin cover mojo called heavy nuggets is pretty awesome:

1. Terry Reid - Tinker Taylor
2. Pretty Things - Old Man Going
3. The Open Mind - Magic Potion
4. Mighty Baby - Egyptian Tomb
5. Second Hand - Rhubarb!
6. Leaf Hound - Freelance Fiend
7. Atomic Rooster - Night Living
8. The Move - Don't Make My Baby Blue
9. Slade - My Life Is Natural
10. Possessed - Climb The Wooden Hills
11. Procol Harum - Long Gone Geek
12. Blossom Toes - Peace Loving Man
13. Luv machine - Witches Wand
14. Pete Brown & Piblokto! - Aeroplane Head Woman
15. Warhorse - Solitude

milo started a thread on that mojo comp. it tis decent indeed.

good fuckin' god the version of leavin' again on this foghat show. it helps if you have your computer hooked up to your stereo. i am blasting this shit right now.

I almost bought that Mojo just for the cd. wonder if it's still around...

every once in while - like now - i have to hear that asbury park sabbath show from 75 on wolfgang's vault. kills me every time.

Introduction 0:15
Killing Yourself To Live 6:06
Hole In The Sky 4:27
Snowblind 6:43
Symptom of the Universe 4:35
War Pigs 7:35
Megalomania 10:06
Sabbra Cadabra Pt.1 5:29
Sabbra Cadabra: Jam / Guitar Solo 7:47
Sabbra Cadabra: Jam / Drum Solo 6:02
Supernaut 2:20
Iron Man 6:12
Guitar Solo / Orchid 2:43
Rock 'N' Roll Doctor (Incomplete)8:40
Black Sabbath 6:40
Spiral Architect 4:34
Children Of The Grave 5:33
Paranoid 3:47

Yeah, that show's sick stuff.

Just went over to wolfgang's vault and I gotta agree, that Foghat show rocks.

i always mean to put a link to this thread here, but i forget. so:

http://www.stonerrock.com/forums2/allposts.asp?Forum=ap442284636&ID=6301&StartAt=0

TONS of cool titles on there. LOTS of stuff I haven't heard. Definitely one of my fave interweb messageboard music threads.

Damn , that website's gonna cost me a lot of dough. Thanks!

Stonerrock.com profiled in the Voice seven years ago! How long it's been. E Pluribus Doomen.

i bought a vinyl reissue of this a long time ago and have just rediscovered the joys of a band that wanted to be cream, except faster and harder and less blues and more orchestral pomp:

http://www.vinylsolution.com/images/products/85515.jpg

i think the 2nd gun album is even better. leaner and meaner. more vicious at times. but i dig them both.

I'm guessing this little curio from Terry Manning would fit the parameters of this thread. I love his version of "guess things happen that way."

I love the cover of that Gun record. And I apparently need to get my hands on the second one.

Terry Manning, eh? Apparently the Forrest Gump of classic rock. Takes credit for Zolar X's Timeless reissue. Guess I didn't read the liner notes on that one close enough.

If you were only partly responsible for the first Point Blank album, you'll always be semi-OK in my book, sir.

i think the 2nd gun album is even better. leaner and meaner. more vicious at times. but i dig them both.

-- scott seward, Friday, January 11, 2008 7:50 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link

huh i didn't even know about that...i don't really know anything abt gun, i just bought it cuz the cover looked can't-miss....i'll have to look for that.

Cross ref Three Man Army and later, Baker-Gurvitz Army. For latter, check if "Mad Jack" from the first LP is too your liking before proceeding further. Anthologies available for both. Have both. Like both. Proceeding from great ----> acquired taste.

i want that terry manning album! chris bell is on that record.

yeah I knew he was the precocious honky that worked on all those Stax tracks, and the Rock City thing w/ C. Bell, (and the Zep III & ZZ Top stuff obv) but I only learned of this solo outing a few months ago.

i heard that baker-gurvitz army thing at a friend it was pretty awesome, i remember the cover being great, like them riding buffalos or something

"(Illusion's IF IT'S SO) is better than i remember:

heavier and funkier that i remember. haven't played it in years. i mean, it's no work of genius, but there is definitely thud involved. and lotsa guitars."

I have all three of their LP's and IMO this is the weakest of the three, but they were a good band overall.

Another band y'all might want to check out is the Rugbys. Their 1969 album, HOT CARGO, isn't much, but the hit single from this album was "You, I" and isn't very hard to find, if you're into 45's. This definitely sounds right in line with the bands being talked about here.

Also (and this might come as a shock), but the Bar-Kays' BLACK ROCK lives up to it's title! Sure, the last two songs on side two are conventional soul songs, but everything else is right up the stoner alley. From that brief-but-magical time in the early seventies when all the funk bands were flirting with hard rock - not just the Bar-Kays, but also Funkadelic, Mother's Finest, Black Merda, Purple Image, and Black Lightning (two singles on MCA).

I'm listening to Trapeze's MEDUSA album right now. I like it, but it sounds a lot more low-energy than what I was expecting. Usually, when people discuss Trapeze, they're lumped in with more manic bands like Sir Lord Baltimore or Dust. I'll keep looking out for the other LP's...

I'm really digging the Bang song "Lions, Christians." Emusic has the catalog.

anyone know for sure whether the bang reissues are cds or cd-rs? i'm kind of wary of them because a guy who was selling them in his store said cd-rs.

i want that terry manning album!

you do! it's really good. sunbeam version has bonus tracks.

slightly outside the scope of the thread - from 1976 - been digging the solid ground made in rock reissue on mellotronen. i don't know if they just totally have no distro in the US or what, but only prog mailorder places and aquarius seem to carry it. great proto-metal/hard rock shit. "every evening, go to discotheques/they drink champagne and listen to t-rex..."

More releases in this vein, both from '69:

- EMERGE, Litter (Probe)
- RATIONALS, Rationals (Crewe)

For years, both of these albums were despised by fans of both bands' earlier, garagier records, but now that the collectors are starting to cream over late '60s/early '70s hard-rock, these LP's might finally get some shine...

i always wondered if that litter album sounded similar to the white lightning stuff...

Trapeze were 'discovered' by the Moody Blues who dragged 'em around with 'em as a support act on one of their big early American tours. Their first album is mellow stuff. Then they morphed into a harder-sounding band. You might have done a bit better with the "We're Just the Band but You're the Show," or whatever it's called. The couple of live albums from this period -- when they were a trio with Hughes as singer -- are the best representation of their hard stuff.

Then Hughes left and they became much more of a generic Seventies rock act, except with an inclination to do lots of funk. Hot Wire is the best-known album from that version of the band. I have it and like it but it has nothing to do with Dust or SLB. xhuxk might like it. That line-up did two albums, were big in San Antone. Then there was another personnel rearrangement that resulted in two or three records and I lost interest.

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Earlier on in this thread, George "The Animal" Steele (is that you?) recommended MEDUSA (the album I found), HOT WIRE, and YOU'RE THE MUSIC, WE'RE JUST THE BAND...I'll be looking out for the other two I don't have.

Right now I'm listening to David Peel & the Lower East Side's AMERICAN REVOLUTION, from 1970...musically, this is cool punkish hard rock that goes down well next to two other Elektra acts, the Stooges and the MC 5. However, you gotta get past Peel's outrageous-for-the-hell-of-it lyrics (anti-religion, anti-cop, anti-everybody...even hippie rock critics hated him back then. I understand that this is the only time Peel ever rocked out; everything else is on the folkish side.

does that have his version of "helter skelter" on it?

Nope.

Yeah, it's me. Of the two, "You're the music..." is the best. Hot Wire is as I said above. Approach with a bit of caution if you don't want the funk. Lacks Glenn Hughes but adds a guitarist and still has Dave Holland on drums.

"EMERGE, Litter (Probe)"

one of my faves. i put it on my decibel thud-rock top 50:

http://decibelmagazine.com/features_detail.aspx?id=8926&terms=filthy+50&searchtype=2&fragment=True

"For years, both of these albums were despised by fans of both bands' earlier, garagier records"

this is definitely true of the litter record. basically psych heads wrote it off as "hard rock" which, um, i have never had a problem with! it just kicks ass, that's all i know. and i do love the first two litter albums a bunch.

"For years, both of these albums were despised by fans of both bands' earlier, garagier records"

"this is definitely true of the litter record. basically psych heads wrote it off as "hard rock" which, um, i have never had a problem with! it just kicks ass, that's all i know. and i do love the first two litter albums a bunch."

I'd read about the Litter and had seen their name dropped in fanzines when I thrifted my copy of EMERGE. I knew it wasn't gonna be a garage record - 1969 was a little too late for that - but right off the bat, I dug it for what it was.

anyone familiar with the Raven album Back to Ohio Blues? Just got a reissue and the descriptions sound awesome

I don't know if their album on the Lizard label has been reissued, but Frantic is another good band in this vein. I only have a 45 from the LP ("Midnight To Six Man" - yeah, the Pretty Things tune - backed with "Shady Sam"), but a friend who has the LP sez it has the same high standards. Produced by Gabriel Mekler, so it has that same ABC/Dunhill studio polish heard on Steppenwolf and Three Dog Night records, but the heaviosity still comes shinin' through...

And while I brought up ABC/Dunhill, any thoughts on the band Birtha? Or is that not heavy enuff?

the frantic record is on my filthy 50 list that i posted above. it's not an album that many people remember/have heard. it's not great, but it's good and scuzzy and that's why i put it on there. plus, great cover!

http://www.popsike.com/pix/20060307/4845986514.jpg

Good list, I have about 12 of the "Filthy 50."

Rev. Hoodoo, the Bar-Kays do indeed rock on the '07 collection Wattstax: Music From The Wattstax Festival And Film (3 discs, from the various LPs that came out of this, plus some prev unissued). They kill with "Son Of Shaft/Feel It"(9:19; "In The Hole" (originally an instrumental b-side, here with "screams, vocables," as the booklet says, and words too!)(lotta stuff happens in 2:47); and "I Can't Turn You Loose." This follows an equally hot set from Rance Allen, and Disc One has a great 5-song set from the Staple Singers. Overall, each disc is a little uneven, but for instance David Porter's "Reach Out And Touch Somebody's Hand" is followed by Richard Pryor's "Niggas" and "Arrest/Lineup." The Terry Manning album starts really good (with a parody of a Box Tops outtake, like teenaged Chilton forcing the obligatory gravel voice through a mouthful of hangover) and ends great ("I Can't Stand The Rain," with the Hi Rhythm Section, live at a last-minute fill-in gig, at a high school, I think!)(the guitarist cuts loose like I always hoped Sonny Sharrock would get to do on one of Herbie Mann's Memphis or Muscle Shoals sets)(yeah, he's good on Memphis Underground, but this is way past that)But the booklet explains that Manning just did the Box Tops parody as a one-off; played it for his boss, who demanded an album, and to me the results sound as forced as what he was kidding Alex about. But Edd Hurt really likes the whole thing, so maybe he's right (Manning also worked with Big Star, on Led Zep III, etc.)

Hey, Dow...

I am very familiar with the Bar-Kays appearance in the WATTSTAX flick. I've had the two original soundtracks for years, and while I usually lift the needle during the "Feel It" part, the "Son Of Shaft" half of that song kills on contact - matter of fact, I like the live version of "S.O.S." better than the studio, but then again this live take was the first version I ever heard.

Gospel-soul icon Rance Allen wasn't a stoner-rocker, but the distorted tone he gets on his guitar is on some kind of Blue Cheer steez. Too bad he doesn't play guitar live anymore! "Lying On The Truth" is amazing.

As far as Terry Manning, I'm with Edd Hurt - that album is really good, especially when you consider how hit-or-miss Stax was with white rock! I consider Manning's album to be one of those peculiar, twisted rock classics that could have only come out of Memphis, up there with James Luther Dickinson's DIXIE FRIED and John Prine's PINK CADILLAC. But Manning's LP is the only one that would fit in a thread devoted to Nixon-era hard rock...

And speaking of hard rock on Stax...the self-titled Moloch album definitely belongs in this thread. Recently reissued on CD.

anyone familiar with the Raven album Back to Ohio Blues? Just got a reissue and the descriptions sound awesome

of all of the albums i've seen described as having a "biker vibe," it's by far the best. not too bluesy or too boogie, just kind of pissed off stomping rock. alright, the title track is kinda bluesy, but not in a shitty way, and the vocalist is foaming at the mouth through much of it. rockadelic version made the rounds of the mp3 blogs a while back if you're interested in checking it out before you drop $20 on it.

was that Rationals album reissued on CD?

Also on Wattstax, after horns play fancy, Rufus Thomas says, "Ohhhh, I feel soooo inadequate." But he doesn't really! You can tell! A true thudster. (Sure hope the great Concord Music Group's Stax-Volt reissue series will include whole albums by him; he keeps having to hitch a ride with daughter Carla). The recent Blue Cheer set, What Doesn't Kill You..., has thud and bounce, which they may be getting from (and/or why they're attracted to) "Born Under A Bad Sign," although their cover isn't that great (it's okay though). The opening track is really stupid, but mostof the rest is pretty satisfying on my exercycle (but I need even more recommended biker rock than is already on this thread).