its cool & weird but its like ... super-functional music for the ppl who make it / primarily consume it.
i do like how it functions in its main environment tho ... just have trouble listening to it w/out looking at kids doing some crazy footwork ish to it. its like, theres no purpose beyond that, its not pop music, etc
you could say the same thing about baltimore club "bmore gutter music" was dropped - by hollertronix, no less. now there's bmore breaks all over top 40 like wtf
― fennel cartwright, Sunday, 3 October 2010 08:51 (2 years ago) Permalink
are there
― thank you based mod (deej), Sunday, 3 October 2010 09:35 (2 years ago) Permalink
& no, baltimore club was made for dancing by ppl at clubs. "OMG u could say the same thing about house music!!" not really
it is super-functional music for the ppl who make it / primarily consume it, but we already saw a single from the UK which showed footwork influences, I can see this music going further.
anyway, I do like how it functions in its main environment too, I'd prefer it to stay like this to be honest, when things go global the energy dissipates too.
― prettylikealaindelon, Sunday, 3 October 2010 11:18 (2 years ago) Permalink
it's functional music => it works well in clubs => djs from other countries play it in clubs => and here we are with some albums getting released (and the dj nate in particular is pretty conducive to non-club listening)
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Sunday, 3 October 2010 13:10 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah the dj nate album is pretty nice around the house listening music imo, don't even really think of it as dance music half as much as instrumental hip hop. but i'm not crazy about the rest of the stuff been posted itt so far, which seems much more dependent on context, or knowing what footwork is & how to do it.
― chronicles of ridically (samosa gibreel), Sunday, 3 October 2010 16:55 (2 years ago) Permalink
i think we should explore this statement
― moonship journey to baja, Sunday, 3 October 2010 17:37 (2 years ago) Permalink
jurr
― prettylikealaindelon, Sunday, 3 October 2010 20:33 (2 years ago) Permalink
http://www.youtube.com/user/ghettotekz
This youtube channel is amazing.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 15:33 (2 years ago) Permalink
i like listening to this stuff apart from watching crazy footwork videos or whatever, but it gets a little headache-inducing after a few tracks. doesn't surprise me at all that it appeals to people who fall for other high-bpm beat music (d&b, dubstep, baltimore, etc).
― bows don't kill people, arrows do (Jordan), Thursday, 4 November 2010 21:32 (2 years ago) Permalink
listening to this now: http://www.thefader.com/2010/11/04/stream-%CE%BC-ziqs-footwork-mix/
― bows don't kill people, arrows do (Jordan), Thursday, 4 November 2010 21:33 (2 years ago) Permalink
i'm sorry but goon squad absolutely kill it in the above video
― dogs, Thursday, 4 November 2010 21:49 (2 years ago) Permalink
^this is the footwork track to rope in noise dudes/drone mongos/Wire subscriber asshats like me
rilly tho it's one of the most... extraordinary things I've heard all year - it's on the Bangs & Works comp that Planet Mu are putting out
I meant to post in this but when I was reading it before it was on my phone in a caravan :/
― Joy Orbison wrapped in clingfilm (DJ Mencap), Friday, 5 November 2010 10:47 (2 years ago) Permalink
WARNING: THIS IS THE GREATEST VIDEO EVER POSTED TO THE INTERNET.
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Tuesday, 16 November 2010 18:50 (2 years ago) Permalink
npr streaming the 'bangs & works' comp, with a little article on it.
― j., Tuesday, 7 December 2010 08:37 (2 years ago) Permalink
so [night slugs] are like the uk diplo right?
― i feed these skreets (tpp), Saturday, October 2, 2010 4:29 AM (2 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
:) Thank you for creating a phrase that captures my contempt of Night Slugs.
― EDB, Tuesday, 7 December 2010 16:04 (2 years ago) Permalink
i decided today this stuff's not even music
― moonship journey to baja, Sunday, 12 December 2010 06:12 (2 years ago) Permalink
http://vimeo.com/15819811
I've decide that this is just about the most depressing noise I've ever heard.
― sistern, Sunday, 12 December 2010 07:23 (2 years ago) Permalink
j/k i really like dj spinn and dj rashad but a lot of this stuff i'm just having a lot of trouble getting into ...
― moonship journey to baja, Sunday, 12 December 2010 08:45 (2 years ago) Permalink
super sick: http://soundcloud.com/ghettophiles/joey-beltram-energy-flash-dj-rashad-xtc-juke-remix
― moonship journey to baja, Sunday, 12 December 2010 08:46 (2 years ago) Permalink
whoops
― moonship journey to baja, Sunday, 12 December 2010 08:48 (2 years ago) Permalink
i still think its hilar that i posted about this on ilx like three yrs ago & its just now suddenly a big dealnot that im saying was ahead of the curve -- i just think its lol how 'the curve' exists at all considering how long this stuff has been around.
i know uk ppl misunderstanding us music is sorta the origins of rave & all but man i was at 'the club' tonite (obv, its now 5am) and for the last hour the dudes descended from relatively populist house-dance rmxes to fukkin dubstep tracks that ppl stomp around drunkenly to. it was the most unbearable shit. i can just envision the dj rolling his eyes while playing actually-listenable music just so he can get to the 'challenging' dubstep tracks that only he understands **i cram to understand** this mindset
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Sunday, 12 December 2010 11:03 (2 years ago) Permalink
Were they actually the juke-inspired dubstep tunes?
"Footcrab" is dire IMO. Conversely Ramadanman's "Work Dem" is really good!
― Tim F, Sunday, 12 December 2010 11:21 (2 years ago) Permalink
deej it's only now "a big deal" for the UK ppl that are into it because everyone has only just heard it! Most of the stuff that is being talked about here - certainly Nate and Roc - didn't get any sort of promotion outside of Chicago until Planet Mu compiled it
― Princess BigSam (DJ Mencap), Sunday, 12 December 2010 14:31 (2 years ago) Permalink
of the earlier juke dudes I think you'll have been able to find pockets of fandom in the UK but not sure if any of them come over to play, save for DJ Funk maybe? So it kind of limits how much you can engage with it as a form
― Princess BigSam (DJ Mencap), Sunday, 12 December 2010 14:35 (2 years ago) Permalink
Does anyone else kind of get the feeling that a lot of the recent interest in juke is just middle-class producers and music journalists doing a quasi-anthropological search for 'authentic' new music from Chicago ghettos and whathaveyou? It's not that I refuse to believe that this music can be good in and of itself, but I can't help but have a suspicion that a lot of what you get on FACT or whatever is white dudes from London searching for the perceived authenticity of new music by young black urban producers and getting off on how foreign sounding and authentic it sounds. I don`t know but sometimes I get a very outsider looking in and (and possibly co-opting) vibe from it.
I haven't really been following it much, so who am I to run my mouth, etc. etc.
― EDB, Sunday, 12 December 2010 15:19 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah but that's the same old strawman argument we used for baile funk
― moonship journey to baja, Sunday, 12 December 2010 17:35 (2 years ago) Permalink
Or kwaito or kudoro or whatever the shanty house flavor of the month is.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Sunday, 12 December 2010 17:43 (2 years ago) Permalink
not sure why "outsider looking in" is supposed to be a bad thing in this instance
― Princess BigSam (DJ Mencap), Sunday, 12 December 2010 18:49 (2 years ago) Permalink
calling out people for getting into music for cred is tired at this point - especially in regard to dance music, no? growing up around dc and bmore i had this problem re: club music over the past few years and eventually got over it. poor white dudes, they're just supposed to sit around playing guitars and tubas all day? from what i've seen of the nightslugs crew and associated community they aren't at all disingenuous (or as socioeconomically status quo as some may think) vs just being into music seeing what they can make out of it and sure, getting off on how foreign sounding it is. people worrying about whether or not they're allowed to like or use a sound because they weren't born in a particular place or of a particular color aren't getting much done.
back on subject - rashad did ps1 this summer and it was really awkward for a while and super-necessary that he brought some footwork guys along to warm the crowd up. it was my first time doing ps1 and hadn't taken into account that it'd be a lot of people not specifically there for the music.
― fauxmarc, Sunday, 12 December 2010 19:37 (2 years ago) Permalink
Reluctant to weigh in here as I'm way out of my comfort zone. Things like the DJ Nate album and some of the tracks off Bangs and Works (e.g. DJ Trouble) completely work for me in a home listening context; I don't think the "armchair anthropologist" criticisms have anything to go on because this music is easily appreciable without any knowledge of context for anyone who digs the post-Dilla/Burial or w/e late-night-beats aesthetic. (So it makes a lot of sense that Nate et al aren't considered part of the juke scene, as suggested way upthread)
The clubbier music doesn't do much for me but I'm among the least likely target audience for that so my opinion is irrelevant.
― seandalai, Sunday, 12 December 2010 23:19 (2 years ago) Permalink
is it wrong to say that i prefer girl unit's IRL to any footwork tracks i've heard? when it doesn't sound like ghetto house, footwork sounds really off-putting to me.
― moonship journey to baja, Sunday, 12 December 2010 23:34 (2 years ago) Permalink
Does anyone else kind of get the feeling that a lot of the recent interest in juke is just middle-class producers and music journalists doing a quasi-anthropological search for 'authentic' new music from Chicago ghettos and whathaveyou?
This is just lame... most of this music would not be heard by anyone outside its own scene were it not for people like Paradinas putting it out. This sort of curatorial outsider approach is a crucial part of how pop music works, complaining about it is like complaining about the stuff that John Peel played. What's wrong with accepting that people want to bring this stuff to a wider audience because they LIKE it? I'd be fucking overjoyed if a hip NYC tastemaker decided he wanted to put out a UK funky compilation.
Same goes for zinging Diplo really - in Pon De Floor he's been at least partially responsible for one of the best bangers of the last couple of years.
That said, I don't think UK types mixing this music with their own stuff (dubstep, funky, whatever) really works. If only because the genres have totally different genres to momentum that go against the grain of one another - juke stutters, funky gallops, dubstep lurches forward or backward or stops dead whenever it feels like it - they're not really elements that sit well with one another.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 12 December 2010 23:49 (2 years ago) Permalink
night slugs is great for doing at least two of those three things on each gtrack
― moonship journey to baja, Sunday, 12 December 2010 23:54 (2 years ago) Permalink
― fauxmarc, Monday, 13 December 2010 00:59 (2 years ago) Permalink
love juke though not all of it 'works' - imo the best stuff is when virtually everything is rhythmic. when producers try to make it a bit more 'musical' or mellow etc im not sure the old breaks/samples sit that neatly on top of what theyre doing rhythmically. might grow on me though. what i find weird/interesting is the contrast between what you get on bangs and works for example and the podcasts from xlr8r and fact that spinn and rashad have done - those are much more housier (?)/old school ghetto house/tech sounding.
the whole anthropology thing i think is understandable but a bit specious. journalists/djs/producers etc are just excited about this, even if it isnt 'new' to everyone. seems no diff from how bmore club was discovered years after it had been around. who cares anyway, its not like juke/footwork is 'dead' is it? its still going.
night slugs is great ropey for doing at least two of those three things on each track
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 13 December 2010 01:09 (2 years ago) Permalink
(last line xpost obv)
― fauxmarc, Monday, 13 December 2010 01:24 (2 years ago) Permalink
seems no diff from how bmore club was discovered years after it had been around. \
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Sunday, December 12, 2010 7:09 PM (31 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
think of all the great music that 'discovery' caused
ive got nothing
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Monday, 13 December 2010 01:41 (2 years ago) Permalink
the word 'discovery' itself is hilarious to me. like "christopher columbus discovered america" kind of shit
i discovered chicago juke itt
― salvia divanorum (nakhchivan), Monday, 13 December 2010 01:43 (2 years ago) Permalink
is there some sort of protocol white middle class labels/promoters should follow if they become aware of an artist/scene and want to popularize it?
― salvia divanorum (nakhchivan), Monday, 13 December 2010 01:44 (2 years ago) Permalink
im in favor of juke producers making lots of money out of this fwiw
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Monday, 13 December 2010 01:46 (2 years ago) Permalink
less in favor of them giving lots of money to brits doing lame versions to play side by side with dubstep songs
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Monday, 13 December 2010 01:47 (2 years ago) Permalink
how are they giving money to brits?
― salvia divanorum (nakhchivan), Monday, 13 December 2010 01:51 (2 years ago) Permalink
im assuming that brit will start making their own juke songs or 'juke-influenced' songs
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Monday, 13 December 2010 01:55 (2 years ago) Permalink
even in the event that happens, it's hardly the same as 'giving money', and i doubt any uk faux-juke producers are going to be swimming in cash
labels releasing juke primers will directly remunerate the original innovators tho
― salvia divanorum (nakhchivan), Monday, 13 December 2010 01:59 (2 years ago) Permalink
I'm kind of loling here at the idea of Night Slugs or Planet Mu making lots of money of this stuff. deej do you have some kind of cultural tie to juke that affords you gatekeeper status? do you buy the vinyls/mp3s on a weekly basis and go to the club nights?
― missingNO, Monday, 13 December 2010 01:59 (2 years ago) Permalink
what are you even talking about
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Monday, 13 December 2010 02:01 (2 years ago) Permalink
Haven't given the Spinn album a listen to yet, but I have a feeling it's going to be a bit back-to-basics compared to the huge leaps made by Rashad and especially Young Smoke this year. I can't say I was hugely floored by Traxman's album - did you guys like it?
― make like a steak and beef (dog latin), Friday, 26 October 2012 11:03 (6 months ago) Permalink
i'm curious to hear if/how much rashad stretches out on the hyperdub ep.
had this remix come out last week, the whole ep is one some 160 bpm craziness:
― keef qua keef (Jordan), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 18:51 (3 months ago) Permalink
this traxman remix of trans europe express is pretty hilarious
https://soundcloud.com/traxman-2/trans-europe-express-2013
― flopson, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 19:13 (3 months ago) Permalink
comp w/rashad, spinn, manny, etchttp://freshmoon.bandcamp.com/album/freshmoon-presents-808k-v-1
― queeple qua queeple (Jordan), Monday, 4 March 2013 19:26 (2 months ago) Permalink
Rashad's Rollin' EP is AMAZING; "Let it Go" is obv one of the best tracks of the year so far.
― Room 227 (Stevie D(eux)), Sunday, 31 March 2013 16:29 (1 month ago) Permalink
It is really really good indeed
― pssstttt, Hey you (dog latin), Sunday, 31 March 2013 19:45 (1 month ago) Permalink
― Room 227 (Stevie D(eux)), Sunday, March 31, 2013 9:29 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
word word word word word word word
― cunnilingus ah um (The Reverend), Monday, 1 April 2013 05:41 (1 month ago) Permalink
yeah this is really tight
"let it go" reminds me of wheez-ie but better
― the late great, Monday, 1 April 2013 05:53 (1 month ago) Permalink
A few footwork related things I did:
A mix of nu-footwork / junglefoot: http://www.mixcloud.com/doglatin/let-it-go-junglefoot-adventures/And an attempt at making my own footwork track last night: https://soundcloud.com/doglatin/2-choices
― pssstttt, Hey you (dog latin), Friday, 5 April 2013 11:19 (1 month ago) Permalink
http://youtu.be/dCvww5BbAuI
Spinn and Rashad killing it. Can't think of much I enjoy more these days.
― mr.raffles, Saturday, 6 April 2013 04:09 (1 month ago) Permalink
ya rashad
what do u think of patrice & friends
― flopson, Saturday, 6 April 2013 04:28 (1 month ago) Permalink
Nice.
Had never heard them... thanks!
― mr.raffles, Saturday, 6 April 2013 04:39 (1 month ago) Permalink
^that just jam set... damn
chicago embracing uk sounds. we approaching the singularity mayn
― KitevsPill, Saturday, 6 April 2013 09:02 (1 month ago) Permalink
Mannnn, there's SO much good stuff on that Just Jam channel.
Wow
Checkin the DJ Assault one now.
― mr.raffles, Sunday, 7 April 2013 01:49 (1 month ago) Permalink
http://thequietus.com/articles/12158-dj-rashad-interview - a piece I did on Rashad.
― Pingu Unchained (dog latin), Thursday, 9 May 2013 11:49 (1 week ago) Permalink
great piece man
― precious bonsai children of new york (Jordan), Thursday, 9 May 2013 16:57 (1 week ago) Permalink
Cheers Jordan.
― Pingu Unchained (dog latin), Thursday, 9 May 2013 17:05 (1 week ago) Permalink
I seriously fear y'all ain't up on all this new Young Smoke shit http://youngsmokeastronautatatus.bandcamp.com/album/smoke-the-astrozoid-space-lyfe-unite-the-movement-3d-the-movie
― The Reverend, Thursday, 9 May 2013 22:43 (1 week ago) Permalink
Checking it out now
― Pingu Unchained (dog latin), Thursday, 9 May 2013 22:53 (1 week ago) Permalink
great article, username
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 10 May 2013 00:13 (1 week ago) Permalink
― clouds, Sunday, 19 May 2013 19:04 (3 days ago) Permalink
yahhhh that album is so banging
― The Reverend, Sunday, 19 May 2013 20:12 (3 days ago) Permalink