2008 Primaries Thread

But I think you misjudge Obama's motives for saying that, Daria. I don't think he was showing his sexism. I think it was a way of showing himself as an aggressive frontrunner (gently jabbing down at your opponents). But it was unbecoming and, given Obama's image, the line made him look bad.

Agreed that line was a bad idea. Totally unnecessary. She was in the middle of her own Kodak moment and it was bad form for him to spoil it.

I don't know how you can follow the meta-coverage on the press in this race and not understand that there's some deeply rooted misogyny at work here. esp in the mean girls high school sense

of course there is - im not saying there is no misogyny ever im saying obama isnt the source of it just cuz he took a shot at somebody he's running against

I didn't notice any, even subversive, misogyny directed at her for a full year when she appeared to be on the fast track to the White House. It's only when her candidacy became an uncertain proposition. News dudes always dismiss the underdogs in ugly ways.

I think daria is just saying she agrees that that was a shitty line

I didn't notice any, even subversive, misogyny directed at her for a full year when she appeared to be on the fast track to the White House.

are you fucking serious

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not that obama is the source of all woman-hating on the campaign trail. that shit was set in motion decades ago when all these bloggers and reporters were in 7th grade e.g. you either hated that girl who sat in the front of the class and always raised her hand, or you were bill clinton

I didn't notice any, even subversive, misogyny directed at her for a full year when she appeared to be on the fast track to the White House.

was it damp under your rock?

guys, everyone hated Gore's sighing and Kerry's smirking because they were women

what the fuck have I stepped in

am I the only one who doesn't watch Chris Matthews and doesn't give a fuck about anything he ever says or does?

Not to be all Morbs*, but there's not that much evidence that an Obama presidency will be very different from a Clinton presidency, so a lot of the vehement Clinton-hatred/Obama-love here is coming from somewhere else - misogyny or no.

*(the difference between me and Morbs being that I will gladly back either of these candidates in spite of not believing I will receive the moon they promise me)

There is definitely misogyny at work in this primary race.

I can't stand Matthews, but I like Obermann.

guys, everyone hated Gore's sighing and Kerry's smirking because they were women

-- gabbneb, Wednesday, January 9, 2008 12:12 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

Anti-intellectualism in those campaigns doesn't preclude the possibility of misogyny in this one

you know what's great about tonight tho? most of us are actually gonna get a say in this thing.

there's not that much evidence that an Obama presidency will be very different from a Clinton presidency

bullshit

Okay, I didn't do a lot of column reading. Just tv watching. But seriously, all I ever saw was "Hillary is the next president. Cower in fear, GOP losers. It's time in this country that a woman runs things."

haha, anti-intellectualism

The number of aggro white dudes who still hate Hillary with a seething passion is kind of amazing.

do you really think people backing obama over hillary would be hating just as much if she wasnt doing a bunch of slimy unpleasant shit in her campaign? or would welcome this if she was a dude?

yup

Anti-intellectualism in those campaigns doesn't preclude the possibility of misogyny in this one

i don't think kerry and gore were being 'intellectuals'. the fact that hillary is a woman doesn't preclude the possibility that she possesses character traits that people find unattractive in more than one gender.

srsly, i think if you think this is about her being a woman, you are fatally not getting it

the people for whom gender matters that much vote for the other side no matter what

theres def a ton of dudes madd cuz shes got tits but that doesnt mean disliking any woman ever is sexist, and accusing liberal obama supporters of this is veering towards GOP 'dems hate condi cuz shes a strong black woman!!' bullshit

BTW, on the GOP side, what happened to immigration, the new ''third rail of politics''? I mean, soft-on-immigration John McCain won going away.

ugh look at these senators giving poor alberto gonzales such a hard time... why do they hate mexicans??

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flattery will get you nowhere, CNN

I would instantly gain so much respect for HRC if she'd tell Bill to stay home and dump all her old '90s-minded staff. THAT'S the thing I hate about her.

people in new hampshire don't have to worry much about learning spanish, daniel

Of course it's not only about gender. Obama is a great communicator and Hillary is mediocre at it, no doubt. But that doesn't explain the hatred.

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^^ so gonna happen

Fair enough. It's hard for me to evaluate, having recently moved to Earth.

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holy shit daniel w/ a zing

in a few cases it's because he didn't ever support the war and she keeps voting yay on cheneystyle fearmonger bullshit

but it's hard to shake the feeling that people really have a lot less patience for the lady-wonk than they do for the masculine version of same

zing sustained

majority of hillary haters i know are broads tho... dudes respect her professionalism & hard-ass stance

esp. non-dems

majority of hillary haters i know are broads tho.

^^same

Dear msnbc: Please give Rachel Maddow her own show. I don't have time to listen to the radio.

broads be catty

hurting, i'm not a hillary hater as far as policy goes, but her campaign has been slimier than obama's in my mind, and i think that might piss people off

too moist

i've got to go.

haha my fiancee hates hrc, tho, adding on to the ladies hate cool h train

1 week til Nevada debate. Obama will be getting schooled, methinks.

loool @ ron paul's gender gap (11% male, 4% female)

98% racists