This Is England. - incorporating the TV show 'This is England '86

There kind of smelly/crusty and hippyish, whereas the goth/pychobilly kids were quite flash and stylish

Yeah, grebo was 87/88-ish. Bands like GBOA and Crazyhead, with long hair and shit.

http://media.daemonstv.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/this-is-england-86-cast-550x332.jpg

Think the guy I'm talking about is Harvey.

Maybe he's not so goth really, I just got thrown by the Theatre of Hate t-shirts and the Billy Duffy-ish haircut.

yeah, and what about the scooter gang in the tracksuits - was there a name for these kinds of dudes? my knowledge of 85-88 British subcultures is really lacking, which is why i find this show quite compelling.

I think the scooter guys are maybe low-end casuals, but they sort of grade in to being yer average townie oik.

Ex-mods?

Don't think so, most of them looked too young to be ex- anything much.

Pretty sure Mods wouldn't ride fizzies.

http://www.80scasualclassics.co.uk/images/www.80scasualclassics.co.uk/Image/this%20is%20engalnd%20bike%20gang%20shot.JPG

http://www.80scasualclassics.co.uk/images/www.80scasualclassics.co.uk/Image/this%20is%20england%20casual%20leader.JPG

I think the little thug leader is one of the funniest performances on TV right now.

"ENGINES.... OFF!"
"Hairdryers Off!"

http://www.80scasualclassics.co.uk/80s-casual-classics-the-firm-the-business-this-is-england-86-hanna-5247.html

http://www.80scasualclassics.co.uk/images/www.80scasualclassics.co.uk/Image/this%20is%20england%20spear.JPG

^ here's the Kirk Brandon dude, they've really got that look nailed. Still don't know what it's called though.

Needs a fringe jacket though.

Oh right, mopeds not scooters (xxp)

here's the Kirk Brandon dude, they've really got that look nailed. Still don't know what it's called though.

Spear of Destiny fan? Just a kinda indie kid really? Not really a subculture as such.

yeah - it's a kind of George Michael-meets-Morissey kinda look right?

Not sure he'd have been much of a Wham! fan, but I suppose there is something a bit Smiths-y (esp. Andy Rourke) about him.

Would probably have been into early Cult, Killing Joke, the Damned, that sort of thing.

He wears a Cramps t-shirt a lot too.

The Moped Lads are just what were known where I grew up as "kevs" aren't they? Or basically "yer average townie oik".

I do remember kids revving those kind of bikes up and down the street when I were a lad. I wasn't really aware of pop culture in 1986 though, I was 10.

Hmmm, kind of a disappointing final episode there. Plausibility hacked to death with a rusty clawhammer.

Is this better than the film? Thought that was awful music vs thatcher simplistic rubbish.

Not as good as the film imo. Like the film, it built towards this one horrible, disturbing scene, but the whole way the narrative was resolved after that was just plain silly. Quite good on 80's youth cult detail though.

Boo hiss, plausability! I definitely didn't see the twist coming at the end with Combo. Great episode, and very challenging TV. I felt like I'd done all the rides at Thorpe Park after watching it. That said, they didn't really seem to wrap up some of the other narrative strands too well and by the end the other plot points had become eclipsed by the evil Dad vs Lol/Combo storyline. There didn't seem to be much point in Woody gathering up all his mates to propose to Lol in the end, but maybe this was created to distract from the twist in the tale.

Awful music Ronan?

Could have done without hearing Billy Bragg last night, that's for sure.

House remix:

http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2015/jul/30/this-is-england-90-exclusive-trailer-shane-meadows

Meadows is such a hack and as terrible as his movies are this type of nostalgia shit is probably amongst his worst crimes.

Meadows does have hacky qualities it's true, and yes there is a thick layer of nostalgia with all the youth culture stuff, but even while i liked it on that level, at the same time that last series was some of the grimmest, most horrifying drama i think I've ever seen on tv. A hell of a prformance from Vicky McClure too

Wait I might be getting my series mixed up - have mostly forgotten what happened in 88

Throughout history idealised peasants is often the worst art, would equally apply that criticism to Millet or to some of the Ken Loach cannon. But fucking Meadows really pisses me off even more for some reason. I'm sorry for disagreeing Nick, but his TV work is even more abject than his movies to me, horrifying in a different way to me.

haven't watched much meadows (dead man's shoes, this is England [the film]), but does he idealize peasants? certainly not in the loach manner, i.e. didactic social-realism, where the poor characters are intelligent, or preternaturally gifted, or committed to the political advancement of their class, they're foiled by the crushing system which refuses to recognize their brilliance, or seeks outright to extinguish it. i don't see this, iirc, in meadows.

No he frames them in some other equally restrictive and boring manner.

my abiding memory of this is England is how deeply weirded out I was by a scene in which an actress who looks to be pushing 20 makes out with the small boy protagonist o_0

was he wearing a The Jam t-shirt or a Happy Mondays one? That is the difference between whatever garbage he is making.

im enjoying this meadows hate