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gonna lol if it was Hype Williams

juggalo iglesias (HI DERE), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:41 (3 years ago) Permalink

the video and song are both unmentionably terrible w/ stupid and retrograde notions about race but i don't think they are simply ~racist~

Chinedu "Edu" Obasi Ogbuke (nakhchivan), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:46 (3 years ago) Permalink

Sophie Muller directed it.

Kerm, Monday, 20 September 2010 19:56 (3 years ago) Permalink

more offensive for not being funny

bnw, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 01:54 (3 years ago) Permalink

http://tinyurl.com/vrrr0000m (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 03:49 (3 years ago) Permalink

that was a fake

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 21 September 2010 03:51 (3 years ago) Permalink

but it was racist because someone realized that they could spell "nigger" by a video game and they set up a soccer video game and took a photo of it and sent it all over the internet

so yes, racist

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 21 September 2010 03:52 (3 years ago) Permalink

this isn't a thread for lol racism, fyi. keep that shit to "encyclopedia of racist products" or, like, 4chan

my friend flocka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 03:55 (3 years ago) Permalink

strictly concern trolling in here.

Kerm, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 03:57 (3 years ago) Permalink

I figured it was some soccer thing. Wouldn't have been surprised if it had been real.

http://tinyurl.com/vrrr0000m (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 03:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

take it to i love footy

p.m.s.b. (pre-mall smoke bomb) (zorn_bond.mp3), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 04:50 (3 years ago) Permalink

love the gawker update where they act like they understood the joke from the beginning

jeff, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 05:30 (3 years ago) Permalink

barf

maybe LJ is right about ilx being the smartest message board

my friend flocka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 05:35 (3 years ago) Permalink

http://hipsterhitler.com/

p.m.s.b. (pre-mall smoke bomb) (zorn_bond.mp3), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 05:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

gawker isnt a message board

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 21 September 2010 05:42 (3 years ago) Permalink

ilx is my favorite blog

markers, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 05:44 (3 years ago) Permalink

MIXMASTER
RACE

EASTSIDE
WESTSIDE
GENOCIDE

p.m.s.b. (pre-mall smoke bomb) (zorn_bond.mp3), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 05:45 (3 years ago) Permalink

is anti-semitism racist or not, because this guy at the bar I frequent is convinced that Birth Of A Nation was produced by Jews & that the Jews control the media etc etc

I know it sucks either way just wanted 2 know ur opinions

4 my muthafuckin mods (crüt), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 06:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

Of course anti-semitism is racism. It's just that racism against Jews has acquired a term of its own, probably because discriminating them has been so prominent historically.

Where it gets tricky is when anti-Israel or anti-Zionist statements are equated with anti-semitism; of course some anti-Israel/anti-Zionist people are also anti-semitists/racists, but many of them aren't. But your case is pretty obviously racist because the target is Jews as a whole, not Israeli politics or anything.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 06:56 (3 years ago) Permalink

are the finns a race?

mookieproof, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 06:59 (3 years ago) Permalink

Ca. 300 Finnish Jews fought in the War alongside the German Army[3][4]. The field synagogue operated by the Finnish army was probably a unique phenomenon in Europe.

Guess they didn't have Google then either.

http://tinyurl.com/vrrr0000m (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 14:00 (3 years ago) Permalink

take it to i love footy

― p.m.s.b. (pre-mall smoke bomb) (zorn_bond.mp3),

jesus way to zing an entire bord of innocents wtf

i dont love everything, i love football (darraghmac), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 14:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

Subtle "Americans don't like soocer and aren't racist" undertones there

Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 14:04 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeah really i'm getting some prety bad vibes offa this zorn character. bet he's norwegian/icelandic thor worshipper

i dont love everything, i love football (darraghmac), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 14:05 (3 years ago) Permalink

zorn smash

p.m.s.b. (pre-mall smoke bomb) (zorn_bond.mp3), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 15:55 (3 years ago) Permalink

is this chorus racist?

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 21 September 2010 18:57 (3 years ago) Permalink

?

my friend flocka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

http://dasracist.net/

am0n, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

idk singing about sippin syrup like three 6 and getting "slizzered"

it's a bit 3oh3 minstrel

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

i can def see that

my friend flocka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:04 (3 years ago) Permalink

Man, if it's wrong to make fun of people who drink cough syrup to get high, I don't wanna get high.

doobieborther, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:07 (3 years ago) Permalink

How does all the lol ghetto retard stuff on lamebook.com fit into this thread? Not sure if I'd rather it be real or fake.

zomg_bong.mp3 (Kerm), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:09 (3 years ago) Permalink

i think a bunch of well-off white people looking at it on their MacBook Pros and laughing at it through a mouthful of Whole Foods salad bar is pretty racist

my friend flocka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:14 (3 years ago) Permalink

glad I'm broke, on a dell, and had chili for lunch then.

zomg_bong.mp3 (Kerm), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:18 (3 years ago) Permalink

black people eat Whole Foods salad bar, too

sarahel, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:19 (3 years ago) Permalink

so like, on a pitchfork scale of 0.0 to 10.0, where 10.0 is a lynching, and 0.0 is Martin Luther King Jr. enjoying a cup of coffee while making breakfast, in his pajamas, humming a soft song to himself, where would the MacBook Pro thing fall? where does this comment fall?

I think this thread, while started with the noblest of intentions, has been a failure. And the reason I believe it has failed is that we (as a society) are so resigned to simply declaring something racist or not, as if it's binary, instead of attempting to quantify exactly how racist something really is, using numerical scales.

del griffith, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:23 (3 years ago) Permalink

that scene from Louie where the school bus breaks down in Harlem and he reassigns the black kids the window seats: greater than 1.2?

*folds hands, rests elbows on desk, places chin on fingertips, looks up and slightly to the left, thinks*

del griffith, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:27 (3 years ago) Permalink

i think you've anticipated an exciting new direction for Pitchfork Reviews Reviews

sarahel, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:28 (3 years ago) Permalink

God, this fucking thread. Is this racist? Is it? Well? I need something to be outraged about, fuckin' tell me!!! Ugh.

SourPatchCorpse, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:35 (3 years ago) Permalink

i dont think anyone is really all that outraged tbh

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:36 (3 years ago) Permalink

Was Dr. King's morning coffee fair trade or unregulated?

http://tinyurl.com/vrrr0000m (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:38 (3 years ago) Permalink

Exactly, this thread isn't about being outraged at these things, it's about discussing them, and learning from them, and analyzing peoples motivations, gaining valuable insight into contemporary race relations, and proposing solutions for a more equitable society. Which is why it is essentially ineffectual, and why we should focus on merely assigning submitted material a score.

del griffith, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

we can't be sure, can we, so let's kick it up to 0.8

('_') (omar little), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

xp that is not for me, as a MacBook Pro owner, to say

del griffith, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

jk i don't really own one of those racist fuckin computers ;p

del griffith, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:42 (3 years ago) Permalink

venti frap all over the keyboard

jeff, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 20:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

black people eat Whole Foods salad bar, too

― sarahel, Tuesday, September 21, 2010 3:19 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

white people live in "ghetto"s too, but hilarious that you missed my point so wildly

my friend flocka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 22:25 (3 years ago) Permalink

― my friend flocka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, September 21, 2010 9:41 PM (51 minutes ago) Bookmark

3.9 imo, though it depends what you were eating when you posted it

del griffith, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 22:33 (3 years ago) Permalink

meth is a white trash drug last time I checked, but ok?

my friend flocka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 22:37 (3 years ago) Permalink

xps used way before the mid-90s, no?

hug niceman (psychgawsple), Wednesday, 9 July 2014 17:42 (Yesterday) Permalink

oh yeah, People of Color (POC) is a widely used term. I haven't heard "People of Ethnicity" before, but I imagine its an expansion to cover white people from other countries.

relentlessly pecking at peace (President Keyes), Wednesday, 9 July 2014 17:44 (Yesterday) Permalink

good ol Fanon

Influenced by radical theorists like Frantz Fanon, racial justice activists in the U.S. began to use the term people of color in the late 1970s and early 1980s.

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 9 July 2014 17:45 (Yesterday) Permalink

Daily Telegraph blogger and commentator Toby Young wrote: "In his defence, Hansen could cite the fact that America's foremost civil rights group is the NAACP which stands for the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. If it's acceptable for the NAACP to use the word "coloured", why isn't it acceptable for him?"[28]

Hansen issued an apology the following day, saying "'I unreservedly apologise for any offence caused – this was never my intention and I deeply regret the use of the word."[29][30]

Hansen correctly assuming that if Toby Young is on your side you must be behaving like a cunt.

You are the worst breed of fong (stevie), Thursday, 10 July 2014 08:36 (7 hours ago) Permalink

I am aware this term is a thing btw, and it still sounds weird and hedgy to me

when there's no more room in heㄥㄥ the thread will walk the earth (wins), Thursday, 10 July 2014 09:47 (6 hours ago) Permalink

Wonder if it's a uk/us divide - iirc lex is not too happy w the term either

, Thursday, 10 July 2014 11:26 (4 hours ago) Permalink

I don't have thoughts re "people/person of color" because I feel like it's none of my business to affirm or object--I'll do what I'm told. The term is widely used among progressive, anti-racist, anti-oppression movement people and groups. Which doesn't mean I think it shouldn't still be scrutinized, but afaict it's not seen as problematic by any/most.

Porting that construction over to ethnicity seems like a thuddishly poor choice though--as if no one has "ethnicity" except ppl who aren't mainstream white America, whatever that means and whoever gets to define that, which is so constructed and so much used to exclude whoever is "bad" in popular right-wing myth right now that it's meaningless.

Orson Wellies (in orbit), Thursday, 10 July 2014 13:16 (3 hours ago) Permalink

For the American market, I mean, obv.

Orson Wellies (in orbit), Thursday, 10 July 2014 13:19 (3 hours ago) Permalink

-as if no one has "ethnicity" except ppl who aren't mainstream white America,

It was someone in the UK using "people of ethnicity"

relentlessly pecking at peace (President Keyes), Thursday, 10 July 2014 13:44 (2 hours ago) Permalink

Oh well that's completely different then

Star Gentle Uterus (DJP), Thursday, 10 July 2014 13:47 (2 hours ago) Permalink

POC works where other terms don't (non-white, minority) because the other terms center whiteness as the norm. "minority" also doesnt work from a simple mathematical standpoint because POC are the majority of the people on the planet. people of color works better than colored people because of its person-first language (compare with 'people with disabilities' and 'disabled people'). descriptive without being restrictive.

it's not a fedora, it's a trill bae (m bison), Thursday, 10 July 2014 13:49 (2 hours ago) Permalink

"People of ethnicity" is not a term used in the UK. The usual phrase is "BME people".

Eyeball Kicks, Thursday, 10 July 2014 14:26 (1 hour ago) Permalink

I'm with orbit about "it's not really my say," but the phrase is still centering whiteness as the norm since what it's really saying is "persons of color other than white."

pplains, Thursday, 10 July 2014 14:30 (1 hour ago) Permalink

- "So great to be here in Nigeria. Just look at all these people of color."

- "You know, we just call ourselves 'people' here. Perhaps it is you with the peachy pink hues that's so colorful."

- "Yes. Together we make quite the rainbow."

- "Rainbow? If you ever see a pink and brown rainbow in the sky, you'd better get a gas mask."

pplains, Thursday, 10 July 2014 14:36 (1 hour ago) Permalink

google results for "BME people" are all for biomedical engineering depts.

Orson Wellies (in orbit), Thursday, 10 July 2014 14:37 (1 hour ago) Permalink

I have no idea what BME stands for <------ so says an actual British person

Tommy McTommy (Tom D.), Thursday, 10 July 2014 14:39 (1 hour ago) Permalink

Black / Minority Ethnic.

Wristy Hurlington (ShariVari), Thursday, 10 July 2014 14:45 (1 hour ago) Permalink

all these terms are primarily useful in societies/institutions/environments that are dominated by white ppl, it's never going to be a general term bc most of the world has little use for a concept of 'non-white ppl in general' however its phrased

ogmor, Thursday, 10 July 2014 14:46 (1 hour ago) Permalink

google results for "BME people" are all for biomedical engineering depts.

ah yeah, we'd probably use it more in phrases like "BME families", "BME communities" etc.

Eyeball Kicks, Thursday, 10 July 2014 14:46 (1 hour ago) Permalink

Does BME include Irish?

Tommy McTommy (Tom D.), Thursday, 10 July 2014 14:48 (1 hour ago) Permalink

Not usually.

Eyeball Kicks, Thursday, 10 July 2014 14:50 (1 hour ago) Permalink

Well I was joking but being Irish is usually a category on its own when filling out Equal Opportunity forms.

Tommy McTommy (Tom D.), Thursday, 10 July 2014 14:53 (1 hour ago) Permalink

LOL UK amirite?

Tommy McTommy (Tom D.), Thursday, 10 July 2014 14:54 (1 hour ago) Permalink

xpost dunno but it did sign Chyna Whyte

relentlessly pecking at peace (President Keyes), Thursday, 10 July 2014 14:54 (1 hour ago) Permalink

Sometimes Irish are listed as BME. Depends on circumstances.

Wristy Hurlington (ShariVari), Thursday, 10 July 2014 14:55 (1 hour ago) Permalink

Think there's probably residual admiration for Germany too pouring over from admiration for German brands too

Probably a racial component too, Germany happens to be the 'right kind if white' but IDK if it'd be articulated in that way

Idk, I can ask my cousin - she's a big fan of Germany

― 龜, Thursday, 10 July 2014 14:45 (10 minutes ago) Permalink

conrad, Thursday, 10 July 2014 14:56 (1 hour ago) Permalink

pplains otm. I mean I don't waste time objecting to the term because I don't think derailing conversations about race is valuable unless that's your sole aim, just seemed worth mentioning cause ppl were talking about how terrible p.o.ethnicity is, and I don't see that this phrase frames whiteness as the default any less. but I don't use it & nor does anyone I know. Lots of ppl doing important work like the term, fine, I find it awkward & mealy-mouthed. As long as nobody's saying that activists necessarily get the final say on how everyone should feel about these terms, it's not really a thing.

Lots of xps

when there's no more room in heㄥㄥ the thread will walk the earth (wins), Thursday, 10 July 2014 15:10 (1 hour ago) Permalink

interesting that "POC" came into wide american usage thru fanon, but i don't think he's the originator of the term -- iirc (dimly) it's a french coinage from its own colonial times -- meant as a catch-all term for the varieties of people descended from both french and africans

but tbh i'm getting this from this book: http://www.tomreiss.com/node/18 and it's only touched upon glancingly in the explicit connection. he uses "people of color" because it's the term extant in all the legal documents from the era

goole, Thursday, 10 July 2014 16:03 (20 minutes ago) Permalink


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