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carles is slippin -- passion pit already did the "hire a choir of underprivileged minority youths" thing

J0rdan S., Monday, 20 September 2010 19:28 (3 years ago) Permalink

he's not even listed on the mtv site, which is usually v good about putting directors up in there

Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 20 September 2010 19:33 (3 years ago) Permalink

gonna lol if it was Hype Williams

juggalo iglesias (HI DERE), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:41 (3 years ago) Permalink

the video and song are both unmentionably terrible w/ stupid and retrograde notions about race but i don't think they are simply ~racist~

Chinedu "Edu" Obasi Ogbuke (nakhchivan), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:46 (3 years ago) Permalink

Sophie Muller directed it.

Kerm, Monday, 20 September 2010 19:56 (3 years ago) Permalink

more offensive for not being funny

bnw, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 01:54 (3 years ago) Permalink

http://tinyurl.com/vrrr0000m (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 03:49 (3 years ago) Permalink

that was a fake

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 21 September 2010 03:51 (3 years ago) Permalink

but it was racist because someone realized that they could spell "nigger" by a video game and they set up a soccer video game and took a photo of it and sent it all over the internet

so yes, racist

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 21 September 2010 03:52 (3 years ago) Permalink

this isn't a thread for lol racism, fyi. keep that shit to "encyclopedia of racist products" or, like, 4chan

my friend flocka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 03:55 (3 years ago) Permalink

strictly concern trolling in here.

Kerm, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 03:57 (3 years ago) Permalink

I figured it was some soccer thing. Wouldn't have been surprised if it had been real.

http://tinyurl.com/vrrr0000m (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 03:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

take it to i love footy

p.m.s.b. (pre-mall smoke bomb) (zorn_bond.mp3), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 04:50 (3 years ago) Permalink

love the gawker update where they act like they understood the joke from the beginning

jeff, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 05:30 (3 years ago) Permalink

barf

maybe LJ is right about ilx being the smartest message board

my friend flocka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 05:35 (3 years ago) Permalink

http://hipsterhitler.com/

p.m.s.b. (pre-mall smoke bomb) (zorn_bond.mp3), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 05:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

gawker isnt a message board

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 21 September 2010 05:42 (3 years ago) Permalink

ilx is my favorite blog

markers, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 05:44 (3 years ago) Permalink

MIXMASTER
RACE

EASTSIDE
WESTSIDE
GENOCIDE

p.m.s.b. (pre-mall smoke bomb) (zorn_bond.mp3), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 05:45 (3 years ago) Permalink

is anti-semitism racist or not, because this guy at the bar I frequent is convinced that Birth Of A Nation was produced by Jews & that the Jews control the media etc etc

I know it sucks either way just wanted 2 know ur opinions

4 my muthafuckin mods (crüt), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 06:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

Of course anti-semitism is racism. It's just that racism against Jews has acquired a term of its own, probably because discriminating them has been so prominent historically.

Where it gets tricky is when anti-Israel or anti-Zionist statements are equated with anti-semitism; of course some anti-Israel/anti-Zionist people are also anti-semitists/racists, but many of them aren't. But your case is pretty obviously racist because the target is Jews as a whole, not Israeli politics or anything.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 06:56 (3 years ago) Permalink

are the finns a race?

mookieproof, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 06:59 (3 years ago) Permalink

Ca. 300 Finnish Jews fought in the War alongside the German Army[3][4]. The field synagogue operated by the Finnish army was probably a unique phenomenon in Europe.

Guess they didn't have Google then either.

http://tinyurl.com/vrrr0000m (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 14:00 (3 years ago) Permalink

take it to i love footy

― p.m.s.b. (pre-mall smoke bomb) (zorn_bond.mp3),

jesus way to zing an entire bord of innocents wtf

i dont love everything, i love football (darraghmac), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 14:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

Subtle "Americans don't like soocer and aren't racist" undertones there

Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 14:04 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeah really i'm getting some prety bad vibes offa this zorn character. bet he's norwegian/icelandic thor worshipper

i dont love everything, i love football (darraghmac), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 14:05 (3 years ago) Permalink

zorn smash

p.m.s.b. (pre-mall smoke bomb) (zorn_bond.mp3), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 15:55 (3 years ago) Permalink

is this chorus racist?

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 21 September 2010 18:57 (3 years ago) Permalink

?

my friend flocka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

http://dasracist.net/

am0n, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

idk singing about sippin syrup like three 6 and getting "slizzered"

it's a bit 3oh3 minstrel

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

i can def see that

my friend flocka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:04 (3 years ago) Permalink

Man, if it's wrong to make fun of people who drink cough syrup to get high, I don't wanna get high.

doobieborther, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:07 (3 years ago) Permalink

How does all the lol ghetto retard stuff on lamebook.com fit into this thread? Not sure if I'd rather it be real or fake.

zomg_bong.mp3 (Kerm), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:09 (3 years ago) Permalink

i think a bunch of well-off white people looking at it on their MacBook Pros and laughing at it through a mouthful of Whole Foods salad bar is pretty racist

my friend flocka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:14 (3 years ago) Permalink

glad I'm broke, on a dell, and had chili for lunch then.

zomg_bong.mp3 (Kerm), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:18 (3 years ago) Permalink

black people eat Whole Foods salad bar, too

sarahel, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:19 (3 years ago) Permalink

so like, on a pitchfork scale of 0.0 to 10.0, where 10.0 is a lynching, and 0.0 is Martin Luther King Jr. enjoying a cup of coffee while making breakfast, in his pajamas, humming a soft song to himself, where would the MacBook Pro thing fall? where does this comment fall?

I think this thread, while started with the noblest of intentions, has been a failure. And the reason I believe it has failed is that we (as a society) are so resigned to simply declaring something racist or not, as if it's binary, instead of attempting to quantify exactly how racist something really is, using numerical scales.

del griffith, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:23 (3 years ago) Permalink

that scene from Louie where the school bus breaks down in Harlem and he reassigns the black kids the window seats: greater than 1.2?

*folds hands, rests elbows on desk, places chin on fingertips, looks up and slightly to the left, thinks*

del griffith, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:27 (3 years ago) Permalink

i think you've anticipated an exciting new direction for Pitchfork Reviews Reviews

sarahel, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:28 (3 years ago) Permalink

God, this fucking thread. Is this racist? Is it? Well? I need something to be outraged about, fuckin' tell me!!! Ugh.

SourPatchCorpse, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:35 (3 years ago) Permalink

i dont think anyone is really all that outraged tbh

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:36 (3 years ago) Permalink

Was Dr. King's morning coffee fair trade or unregulated?

http://tinyurl.com/vrrr0000m (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:38 (3 years ago) Permalink

Exactly, this thread isn't about being outraged at these things, it's about discussing them, and learning from them, and analyzing peoples motivations, gaining valuable insight into contemporary race relations, and proposing solutions for a more equitable society. Which is why it is essentially ineffectual, and why we should focus on merely assigning submitted material a score.

del griffith, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

we can't be sure, can we, so let's kick it up to 0.8

('_') (omar little), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

xp that is not for me, as a MacBook Pro owner, to say

del griffith, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

jk i don't really own one of those racist fuckin computers ;p

del griffith, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:42 (3 years ago) Permalink

venti frap all over the keyboard

jeff, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 20:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

black people eat Whole Foods salad bar, too

― sarahel, Tuesday, September 21, 2010 3:19 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

white people live in "ghetto"s too, but hilarious that you missed my point so wildly

my friend flocka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 22:25 (3 years ago) Permalink

diversity management: you know, infiltrating their organizations, paying for more riot patrol overtime, defunding preschool programs

j., Wednesday, 23 July 2014 19:09 (1 week ago) Permalink

i'm hispanic and i use 'people of color' regularly. my dad who is an immigrant HATES 'people of color' to him it's exactly the same as "colored people." when my brother went to college, he received a letter of welcome from the students of color organization and my dad flipped out and was so offended that they were labeling my brother as "colored." i tried to explain to him that the term "people of color" is widely used by anti-racism activists as a way to promote solidarity among nonwhite people but he didn't really get it. in the same conversation i told my mom that "queer" was reclaimed similarly by LGBT communities and she was very surprised.

i also use 'non-white' fairly often too.

i understand why someone would find 'people of color' just as meaningless as 'people of ethnicity' but i find the latter to be very clunky. but yet all of these terms locate whiteness as the norm/center, and i don't know if you can get away from that in a world where whiteness is exactly that.

marcos, Wednesday, 23 July 2014 19:22 (1 week ago) Permalink

i don't know if you can get away from that in a world where whiteness is exactly that.

eh not that whiteness is the norm but that it is the "perceived norm", maybe "center" is really the better word

marcos, Wednesday, 23 July 2014 19:23 (1 week ago) Permalink

yeah definitely. i don't really get the issue, whiteness affects all "non-whiteness" in specific, massive infrastructural ways, and a term like "poc" is sort of necessary to address that. like a lot of things i think a lot of resistance to it is because it strikes people as new and tacky. especially if they mentally link it to tumblr. never underestimate perceived tackiness.

otoh a lot of people cling to "POC" when they're really just talking about one race. i've seen a lot of people use it when they're really only talking about black people, i guess bc people treat it as the "sensitive" term to use rather than a term with a specific purpose, and in that way it can be used to unintentionally whitewash things by failing to address specific issues that don't apply to all POC.

i don't get "people of ethnicity" doesn't everyone have ethnicity? i think i am a people of ethnicity. that seems built off of a misuse of the word. usually regarding cuisine. university "department of ethnicity"s make sense to me cause i've always interpreted that as being the sort of study of ethnicities in relation to each other, and it's difficult for an entire dept to study minority ethnicities without confronting majority ones.

linda cardellini (zachlyon), Wednesday, 23 July 2014 22:55 (1 week ago) Permalink

Ethnicity makes all sort of sense in the Asian American context, "Asian" not being a 'race' in the same way that being 'white' or 'black' is, although people will often try to use it in that way

I imagine it is the same with the descriptor Latin@

, Wednesday, 23 July 2014 23:26 (1 week ago) Permalink

oh god "department of ethnicity" what is wrong with me

linda cardellini (zachlyon), Thursday, 24 July 2014 00:30 (1 week ago) Permalink

I remember reading something (I think written by the woman who was so enamored of her cowboy boyfriend who treated her like shit?) about how Latino is an artificial construct designed by Europeans to erase the identities of indigenous Americans that was fascinating. Let me see if I can find it...

Star Gentle Uterus (DJP), Thursday, 24 July 2014 14:48 (1 week ago) Permalink

I imagine it is the same with the descriptor Latin@

― 龜, Wednesday, July 23, 2014 7:26 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

in my experience it much less about "ethnicity" w/ hispanics/latinos than nationality. most of us are mestizos anyway, we don't really belong to an "ethnic group" but we have origins in different nations. obviously there are very large indigenous populations esp. from mexico, peru, bolivia that you could categorize as "ethnic groups" and calling many of those purely indigenous peoples "hispanic" or "latino" makes zero fucking sense. but your average mestizo from the DR, guatemala, chile, argentina, etc. is going to identify primarily by their nation of origin, if they are american-born and second or third-generation. e.g. i am "peruvian" but i don't really think there are ethnic peruvians unless you are talking about indigenous groups, and with those you can name a specific group.

marcos, Thursday, 24 July 2014 14:55 (1 week ago) Permalink

"is going to identify primarily by their nation of origin, *EVEN if they are american-born and second or third-generation."

marcos, Thursday, 24 July 2014 14:56 (1 week ago) Permalink

xxp I was reminded of that tidbit yesterday when a La Raza spokesperson said on an MSNBC show that Latinos are in/from every racial group, including I think she said "indigenous" and it seemed a reasonable and obvious point. But back when I read that abusive cowboy writer's thing, it was a new idea to me that the Native (American) population didn't, like, STOP at the US-Mexico border and become a different group.

Orson Wellies (in orbit), Thursday, 24 July 2014 14:59 (1 week ago) Permalink

xp like a mestizo from the andes in peru is going to identify as "peruvian" while a mestizo from the andes in bolivia will identify as "bolivian" even though ethnically they are probably very similar. if they are emigrate to the US they are called "latino" but they will still identify as their nationality.

marcos, Thursday, 24 July 2014 15:02 (1 week ago) Permalink

I mean when people are like, "Where did all the Indians go?" and they're talking about the "vanished" tribes of the Southwest, the answer is surely "South, following the rain and liveable habitats and trade routes and ending up in Central and South America, you idiot." But all my life the "disappearance" of the Pueblo population groups was literally presented in actually books as a MYSTERY. PERHAPS THEY WENT THROUGH THE KIVA HOLE BACK TO THE SPIRIT WORLD, like.

Orson Wellies (in orbit), Thursday, 24 July 2014 15:03 (1 week ago) Permalink

lol, otm. it's the same as the maya. in school we learned that the maya "mysteriously disappeared" but if you go to southern mexico and guatemala there are plenty of fucking maya there. yes there were severe population declines during the collapse of peak maya civilization and again during spanish conquest and subsequent diseases. but they are still there.

marcos, Thursday, 24 July 2014 15:08 (1 week ago) Permalink

in my experience it much less about "ethnicity" w/ hispanics/latinos than nationality. most of us are mestizos anyway, we don't really belong to an "ethnic group" but we have origins in different nations. obviously there are very large indigenous populations esp. from mexico, peru, bolivia that you could categorize as "ethnic groups" and calling many of those purely indigenous peoples "hispanic" or "latino" makes zero fucking sense. but your average mestizo from the DR, guatemala, chile, argentina, etc. is going to identify primarily by their nation of origin, if they are american-born and second or third-generation. e.g. i am "peruvian" but i don't really think there are ethnic peruvians unless you are talking about indigenous groups, and with those you can name a specific group.

― marcos, Thursday, July 24, 2014 10:55 AM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark

Right - I was letting my own experience get in the way, since countries in Asia tend more to be mono-ethnic; 'nationality' is more accurate

, Thursday, 24 July 2014 15:10 (1 week ago) Permalink

i don't get "people of ethnicity" doesn't everyone have ethnicity?

doesn't everybody have a colouring

wins, Thursday, 24 July 2014 15:48 (1 week ago) Permalink

we've all seen Tilda Swinton

Star Gentle Uterus (DJP), Thursday, 24 July 2014 15:53 (1 week ago) Permalink

Seen through, you mean

, Thursday, 24 July 2014 15:54 (1 week ago) Permalink

Skin is an efficient scatterer of light unfortunately. Medical imaging would be much easier if absorption were the only issue.

chikungunya manatee (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 25 July 2014 05:31 (6 days ago) Permalink

Is this etsy Boston Terrier Day of the Dead Sugar Skull necklace questionable cultural appropriation???

ed.b, Saturday, 26 July 2014 22:23 (5 days ago) Permalink

I only had to read as far as the word "Boston" to know it was racist

bernard snowy, Saturday, 26 July 2014 23:24 (5 days ago) Permalink

ok, but this doesn't have anything to do with Boston

ed.b, Sunday, 27 July 2014 02:09 (4 days ago) Permalink

Feel like that is very standard day of the dead appropriation. No excuse but that is all over SoCal.

chikungunya manatee (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 27 July 2014 03:49 (4 days ago) Permalink

We have a music festival this summer with the theme "lost in Latin America" which features British ppl doing 'Mexican wrestling' and tonnes of Day Of The Dead iconography as 'fancy dress' but very, very little in the way of irl Latin American artists on the lineup.

http://www.standon-calling.com/line-up

The Cuban Brothers, Mayans, The Menendez Brothers and Venezuelan Alien have no direct connection to the region, afaict.

Wristy Hurlington (ShariVari), Sunday, 27 July 2014 07:10 (4 days ago) Permalink

Wait, the Menendez brothers playing at music festivals now?

ed.b, Sunday, 27 July 2014 08:38 (4 days ago) Permalink

tbf every town has its white-kids-play-the-music-of-other-cultures-really-shittily band scene

Daphnis Celesta, Sunday, 27 July 2014 08:42 (4 days ago) Permalink

I'm generally ok with that, tbh, as it generally indicates a level of engagement that goes beyond dress up and cultural stereotypes. If a bunch of kids in Rotherham want to form a calypso band, more power to them. The whole festival appearing to be themed around a cartoon version of Latin culture sits less well with me.

Wristy Hurlington (ShariVari), Sunday, 27 July 2014 09:02 (4 days ago) Permalink

that is awesome, hope coachella is paying attention

°ㅇ๐ْ ° (gr8080), Sunday, 27 July 2014 19:05 (4 days ago) Permalink

Wait, the Menendez brothers playing at music festivals now?

― ed.b

Haha. "We'd like to dedicate this next one to our parents, for making it all possible."

nickn, Sunday, 27 July 2014 21:03 (4 days ago) Permalink

someone just wished me happy eid even though i am not a muslim! the nerve of some people!!!

j/k

the late great, Monday, 28 July 2014 18:51 (3 days ago) Permalink

Wish this would catch on elsewhere.

Was at a festival in HK in December and saw plenty of headdresses worn by European expats. I found that most European students I met just didn't "get it" and fet that N. America was overly sensitive about contemporary forms of racism.

Eggs and the marketing board behind them, Monday, 28 July 2014 22:23 (3 days ago) Permalink


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