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Still waiting for an apology. (Pleasant Plains), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:27 (six years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I guess exploitative and colonialist (is that the right word?) more than captial-R RACIST, but still like; who does a video treatment that;'s like "OK, you're hugging black kids for four minutes"

obv the answer is "the dude who directed the new Kings of Leon video, whose name somehow has not yet made it to the bits of the Internet you can hit within 5 minutes of using Google"

(that more than anything else is making me lol, like whoever this was basically went "I'll do this for you and it will be awesome! I don't want any credit tho" *waits for shitstorm*)

juggalo iglesias (HI DERE), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:27 (six years ago) Permalink

carles is slippin -- passion pit already did the "hire a choir of underprivileged minority youths" thing

J0rdan S., Monday, 20 September 2010 19:28 (six years ago) Permalink

he's not even listed on the mtv site, which is usually v good about putting directors up in there

Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 20 September 2010 19:33 (six years ago) Permalink

gonna lol if it was Hype Williams

juggalo iglesias (HI DERE), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:41 (six years ago) Permalink

the video and song are both unmentionably terrible w/ stupid and retrograde notions about race but i don't think they are simply ~racist~

Chinedu "Edu" Obasi Ogbuke (nakhchivan), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:46 (six years ago) Permalink

Sophie Muller directed it.

Kerm, Monday, 20 September 2010 19:56 (six years ago) Permalink

more offensive for not being funny

bnw, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 01:54 (six years ago) Permalink (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 03:49 (six years ago) Permalink

that was a fake

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 21 September 2010 03:51 (six years ago) Permalink

but it was racist because someone realized that they could spell "nigger" by a video game and they set up a soccer video game and took a photo of it and sent it all over the internet

so yes, racist

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 21 September 2010 03:52 (six years ago) Permalink

this isn't a thread for lol racism, fyi. keep that shit to "encyclopedia of racist products" or, like, 4chan

my friend flocka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 03:55 (six years ago) Permalink

strictly concern trolling in here.

Kerm, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 03:57 (six years ago) Permalink

I figured it was some soccer thing. Wouldn't have been surprised if it had been real. (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 03:58 (six years ago) Permalink

take it to i love footy

p.m.s.b. (pre-mall smoke bomb) (zorn_bond.mp3), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 04:50 (six years ago) Permalink

love the gawker update where they act like they understood the joke from the beginning

jeff, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 05:30 (six years ago) Permalink


maybe LJ is right about ilx being the smartest message board

my friend flocka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 05:35 (six years ago) Permalink

p.m.s.b. (pre-mall smoke bomb) (zorn_bond.mp3), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 05:40 (six years ago) Permalink

gawker isnt a message board

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 21 September 2010 05:42 (six years ago) Permalink

ilx is my favorite blog

markers, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 05:44 (six years ago) Permalink



p.m.s.b. (pre-mall smoke bomb) (zorn_bond.mp3), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 05:45 (six years ago) Permalink

is anti-semitism racist or not, because this guy at the bar I frequent is convinced that Birth Of A Nation was produced by Jews & that the Jews control the media etc etc

I know it sucks either way just wanted 2 know ur opinions

4 my muthafuckin mods (crüt), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 06:02 (six years ago) Permalink

Of course anti-semitism is racism. It's just that racism against Jews has acquired a term of its own, probably because discriminating them has been so prominent historically.

Where it gets tricky is when anti-Israel or anti-Zionist statements are equated with anti-semitism; of course some anti-Israel/anti-Zionist people are also anti-semitists/racists, but many of them aren't. But your case is pretty obviously racist because the target is Jews as a whole, not Israeli politics or anything.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 06:56 (six years ago) Permalink

are the finns a race?

mookieproof, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 06:59 (six years ago) Permalink

Ca. 300 Finnish Jews fought in the War alongside the German Army[3][4]. The field synagogue operated by the Finnish army was probably a unique phenomenon in Europe.

Guess they didn't have Google then either. (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 14:00 (six years ago) Permalink

take it to i love footy

― p.m.s.b. (pre-mall smoke bomb) (zorn_bond.mp3),

jesus way to zing an entire bord of innocents wtf

i dont love everything, i love football (darraghmac), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 14:02 (six years ago) Permalink

Subtle "Americans don't like soocer and aren't racist" undertones there

Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 14:04 (six years ago) Permalink

yeah really i'm getting some prety bad vibes offa this zorn character. bet he's norwegian/icelandic thor worshipper

i dont love everything, i love football (darraghmac), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 14:05 (six years ago) Permalink

zorn smash

p.m.s.b. (pre-mall smoke bomb) (zorn_bond.mp3), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 15:55 (six years ago) Permalink

is this chorus racist?

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 21 September 2010 18:57 (six years ago) Permalink


my friend flocka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:01 (six years ago) Permalink

am0n, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:02 (six years ago) Permalink

idk singing about sippin syrup like three 6 and getting "slizzered"

it's a bit 3oh3 minstrel

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:02 (six years ago) Permalink

i can def see that

my friend flocka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:04 (six years ago) Permalink

Man, if it's wrong to make fun of people who drink cough syrup to get high, I don't wanna get high.

doobieborther, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:07 (six years ago) Permalink

How does all the lol ghetto retard stuff on fit into this thread? Not sure if I'd rather it be real or fake.

zomg_bong.mp3 (Kerm), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:09 (six years ago) Permalink

i think a bunch of well-off white people looking at it on their MacBook Pros and laughing at it through a mouthful of Whole Foods salad bar is pretty racist

my friend flocka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:14 (six years ago) Permalink

glad I'm broke, on a dell, and had chili for lunch then.

zomg_bong.mp3 (Kerm), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:18 (six years ago) Permalink

black people eat Whole Foods salad bar, too

sarahel, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:19 (six years ago) Permalink

so like, on a pitchfork scale of 0.0 to 10.0, where 10.0 is a lynching, and 0.0 is Martin Luther King Jr. enjoying a cup of coffee while making breakfast, in his pajamas, humming a soft song to himself, where would the MacBook Pro thing fall? where does this comment fall?

I think this thread, while started with the noblest of intentions, has been a failure. And the reason I believe it has failed is that we (as a society) are so resigned to simply declaring something racist or not, as if it's binary, instead of attempting to quantify exactly how racist something really is, using numerical scales.

del griffith, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:23 (six years ago) Permalink

that scene from Louie where the school bus breaks down in Harlem and he reassigns the black kids the window seats: greater than 1.2?

*folds hands, rests elbows on desk, places chin on fingertips, looks up and slightly to the left, thinks*

del griffith, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:27 (six years ago) Permalink

i think you've anticipated an exciting new direction for Pitchfork Reviews Reviews

sarahel, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:28 (six years ago) Permalink

God, this fucking thread. Is this racist? Is it? Well? I need something to be outraged about, fuckin' tell me!!! Ugh.

SourPatchCorpse, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:35 (six years ago) Permalink

i dont think anyone is really all that outraged tbh

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:36 (six years ago) Permalink

Was Dr. King's morning coffee fair trade or unregulated? (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:38 (six years ago) Permalink

Exactly, this thread isn't about being outraged at these things, it's about discussing them, and learning from them, and analyzing peoples motivations, gaining valuable insight into contemporary race relations, and proposing solutions for a more equitable society. Which is why it is essentially ineffectual, and why we should focus on merely assigning submitted material a score.

del griffith, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:40 (six years ago) Permalink

we can't be sure, can we, so let's kick it up to 0.8

('_') (omar little), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:40 (six years ago) Permalink

xp that is not for me, as a MacBook Pro owner, to say

del griffith, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:40 (six years ago) Permalink

jk i don't really own one of those racist fuckin computers ;p

del griffith, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:42 (six years ago) Permalink

Mmm, I'm gonna go with racist. I have a hard time believing someone was both aware enough of the phrase to consider using an altered version of it in their advertising and totally unaware of how it was likely to be perceived. I just don't think they expected it to become a national news story.

Night Jorts (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 15:50 (nine months ago) Permalink

Of course it's racist - or at least insensitive to race. If that crossed my desk at a firm I would veto it.

two crickets sassing each other (dowd), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 15:54 (nine months ago) Permalink

I would say bad taste evincing what is likely underlying racism, if we can split it that finely. A pun on the name isn't *necessarily* racist but the kind of person who would think it was a good idea to use that slogan either (1) doesn't take BLM seriously, because they are racist or (2) is just kind of apathetic and doesn't treat anything with appropriate seriousness.

socka flocka-jones (man alive), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 21:37 (nine months ago) Permalink

"they" = person(s) who came up with the ad, tbc

socka flocka-jones (man alive), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 21:37 (nine months ago) Permalink

broccoli isn't really all that anyway

kinder, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 11:15 (nine months ago) Permalink

they're not even real black olives, they're just crappy green olives covered in iron to make them look better.

the event dynamics of power asynchrony (rushomancy), Wednesday, 20 July 2016 12:30 (nine months ago) Permalink

^ topping truther

Twilight Sparkle from My Little Pony said (contenderizer), Wednesday, 20 July 2016 13:59 (nine months ago) Permalink

once this person noticed the pun, they might not have had a choice in the matter

Treeship, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 14:07 (nine months ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...


my gut is that he worded it very poorly, but in context he seemed to be saying "it is sad that the current state of affairs requires individuals to wear BLM t-shirts to remind us that they matter, because everybody of every race matters. don't let the media tell you that any one group doesn't matter".

I can see why it was interpreted the other way given the clumsy construction of the message but while intent often doesn't matter as much as message, I think Civ probably agreed with BLM at the core.

Neanderthal, Monday, 8 August 2016 18:01 (eight months ago) Permalink

maybe not racist in itself but a thing that right wingers like to say

remove butt (abanana), Monday, 8 August 2016 18:18 (eight months ago) Permalink

every punk should know NO LIVES MATTER

Ludo, Monday, 8 August 2016 19:52 (eight months ago) Permalink

Blank lives mutter

Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Tuesday, 9 August 2016 01:07 (eight months ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

one of the librarians at our local library sent us home w/ a skippyjon jones book, the fuck is this?? it occured to later that those books were discussed itt a while back and this (mostly otm) post was linked

marcos, Monday, 29 August 2016 19:03 (eight months ago) Permalink

mucho fun

ælərdaɪs (jim in vancouver), Monday, 29 August 2016 19:14 (eight months ago) Permalink

Yeah, even wth *tera's assurances upthread, I've never liked reading them. We have quite a few from when my son went on a chihuahua kick at age 5 though. I try to avoid dragging them out for our younger kid if I can help it.

how's life, Monday, 29 August 2016 19:19 (eight months ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

"We're going to make our country safe again. We're going to rebuild our inner cities because our African-American communities are absolutely in the worst shape that they've ever been in before. Ever, ever, ever."

what a dickhead!

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 21 September 2016 10:06 (seven months ago) Permalink

Trump perhaps?

Bottlerockey (Tom D.), Wednesday, 21 September 2016 10:08 (seven months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

trying to read up on opinions on this only brings up the EEOC complaint and right-wing OUTRAGE in reaction. is the flag synonymous with tea partiers and their more recent incarnations? is it a confederate flag cipher?

just another (diamonddave85), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 16:29 (five months ago) Permalink

i don't think it is necessarily racist, it has origins in the american revolution, and has been appropriated by tea partiers in recent years but i don't think it has been wholly co-opted

I've read Ta-nehisi Coates. (marcos), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 16:45 (five months ago) Permalink

it has origins in the american revolution

Possible challop: I don't know how true this is but I have heard theories that the American Revolution was at least partially spurred on by the British making moves towards abolishing slavery, so I'm not sure if this flag originating in the American Revolution makes it not racist.

Just noise and screaming and no musical value at all. (Colonel Poo), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 17:05 (five months ago) Permalink

Facebook apparently has a particular way of translating "negro" from Spanish:

¶ (DJP), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 17:39 (five months ago) Permalink

(to clarify, this is the status update of an African-American college friend of my wife's and the response from his Cuban wife; also I don't think I've laughed this hard in a while)

¶ (DJP), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 17:43 (five months ago) Permalink


Fluffy Saint-Bernard (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:46 (five months ago) Permalink

we just did some testing of the translation algorithm and apparently you can only get "negro" to translate as "nigga" if you are ending a question with it

let's ponder that for a moment (once you stop laughing)

¶ (DJP), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 19:32 (five months ago) Permalink

but does it taste like pumpkin?

Nhex, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 19:36 (five months ago) Permalink

David S. Negroes?

(rocketcat) (kingfish), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 19:44 (five months ago) Permalink

this is horrifying and i can't stop giggling

goole, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 21:14 (five months ago) Permalink

A friend from Puerto Rico weighs in (I edited out a name and switched her incorrect reference to Google Translate to Facebook Translate):

The term "negro", as ______ was using it, is a term of endearment in Cuba, Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic. We use "mi negro", "mi negra", "negrito", etc. So maybe Facebook translate might "know" that it is not supposed to translate it as "black", and it is translating it as something like "my nigga"? In any event, Bad Facebook Translate! Bad Facebook Translate!

¶ (DJP), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 21:17 (five months ago) Permalink

"What Stones song did Dad like so much, was it


pplains, Thursday, 24 November 2016 01:51 (five months ago) Permalink

well that's embarrassing, everyone knows the non-racist translation is "flex"

diary of a mod how's life (wins), Thursday, 24 November 2016 10:22 (five months ago) Permalink

Richards describes the famous moment that the Rolling Stones first visited Chess: “We walked into Chess Studios and there’s this guy in black overalls painting the ceiling. And it’s Muddy Waters and he’s got whitewash streaming down his face and he’s on top of a ladder.

The Doug Walters of Crime (Tom D.), Thursday, 24 November 2016 10:32 (five months ago) Permalink

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