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Still waiting for an apology.

http://tinyurl.com/vrrr0000m (Pleasant Plains), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:27 (3 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I guess exploitative and colonialist (is that the right word?) more than captial-R RACIST, but still like; who does a video treatment that;'s like "OK, you're hugging black kids for four minutes"

obv the answer is "the dude who directed the new Kings of Leon video, whose name somehow has not yet made it to the bits of the Internet you can hit within 5 minutes of using Google"

(that more than anything else is making me lol, like whoever this was basically went "I'll do this for you and it will be awesome! I don't want any credit tho" *waits for shitstorm*)

juggalo iglesias (HI DERE), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:27 (3 years ago) Permalink

carles is slippin -- passion pit already did the "hire a choir of underprivileged minority youths" thing

J0rdan S., Monday, 20 September 2010 19:28 (3 years ago) Permalink

he's not even listed on the mtv site, which is usually v good about putting directors up in there

Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 20 September 2010 19:33 (3 years ago) Permalink

gonna lol if it was Hype Williams

juggalo iglesias (HI DERE), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:41 (3 years ago) Permalink

the video and song are both unmentionably terrible w/ stupid and retrograde notions about race but i don't think they are simply ~racist~

Chinedu "Edu" Obasi Ogbuke (nakhchivan), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:46 (3 years ago) Permalink

Sophie Muller directed it.

Kerm, Monday, 20 September 2010 19:56 (3 years ago) Permalink

more offensive for not being funny

bnw, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 01:54 (3 years ago) Permalink

http://tinyurl.com/vrrr0000m (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 03:49 (3 years ago) Permalink

that was a fake

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 21 September 2010 03:51 (3 years ago) Permalink

but it was racist because someone realized that they could spell "nigger" by a video game and they set up a soccer video game and took a photo of it and sent it all over the internet

so yes, racist

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 21 September 2010 03:52 (3 years ago) Permalink

this isn't a thread for lol racism, fyi. keep that shit to "encyclopedia of racist products" or, like, 4chan

my friend flocka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 03:55 (3 years ago) Permalink

strictly concern trolling in here.

Kerm, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 03:57 (3 years ago) Permalink

I figured it was some soccer thing. Wouldn't have been surprised if it had been real.

http://tinyurl.com/vrrr0000m (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 03:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

take it to i love footy

p.m.s.b. (pre-mall smoke bomb) (zorn_bond.mp3), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 04:50 (3 years ago) Permalink

love the gawker update where they act like they understood the joke from the beginning

jeff, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 05:30 (3 years ago) Permalink

barf

maybe LJ is right about ilx being the smartest message board

my friend flocka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 05:35 (3 years ago) Permalink

http://hipsterhitler.com/

p.m.s.b. (pre-mall smoke bomb) (zorn_bond.mp3), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 05:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

gawker isnt a message board

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 21 September 2010 05:42 (3 years ago) Permalink

ilx is my favorite blog

markers, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 05:44 (3 years ago) Permalink

MIXMASTER
RACE

EASTSIDE
WESTSIDE
GENOCIDE

p.m.s.b. (pre-mall smoke bomb) (zorn_bond.mp3), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 05:45 (3 years ago) Permalink

is anti-semitism racist or not, because this guy at the bar I frequent is convinced that Birth Of A Nation was produced by Jews & that the Jews control the media etc etc

I know it sucks either way just wanted 2 know ur opinions

4 my muthafuckin mods (crüt), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 06:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

Of course anti-semitism is racism. It's just that racism against Jews has acquired a term of its own, probably because discriminating them has been so prominent historically.

Where it gets tricky is when anti-Israel or anti-Zionist statements are equated with anti-semitism; of course some anti-Israel/anti-Zionist people are also anti-semitists/racists, but many of them aren't. But your case is pretty obviously racist because the target is Jews as a whole, not Israeli politics or anything.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 06:56 (3 years ago) Permalink

are the finns a race?

mookieproof, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 06:59 (3 years ago) Permalink

Ca. 300 Finnish Jews fought in the War alongside the German Army[3][4]. The field synagogue operated by the Finnish army was probably a unique phenomenon in Europe.

Guess they didn't have Google then either.

http://tinyurl.com/vrrr0000m (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 14:00 (3 years ago) Permalink

take it to i love footy

― p.m.s.b. (pre-mall smoke bomb) (zorn_bond.mp3),

jesus way to zing an entire bord of innocents wtf

i dont love everything, i love football (darraghmac), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 14:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

Subtle "Americans don't like soocer and aren't racist" undertones there

Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 14:04 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeah really i'm getting some prety bad vibes offa this zorn character. bet he's norwegian/icelandic thor worshipper

i dont love everything, i love football (darraghmac), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 14:05 (3 years ago) Permalink

zorn smash

p.m.s.b. (pre-mall smoke bomb) (zorn_bond.mp3), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 15:55 (3 years ago) Permalink

is this chorus racist?

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 21 September 2010 18:57 (3 years ago) Permalink

?

my friend flocka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

http://dasracist.net/

am0n, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

idk singing about sippin syrup like three 6 and getting "slizzered"

it's a bit 3oh3 minstrel

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

i can def see that

my friend flocka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:04 (3 years ago) Permalink

Man, if it's wrong to make fun of people who drink cough syrup to get high, I don't wanna get high.

doobieborther, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:07 (3 years ago) Permalink

How does all the lol ghetto retard stuff on lamebook.com fit into this thread? Not sure if I'd rather it be real or fake.

zomg_bong.mp3 (Kerm), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:09 (3 years ago) Permalink

i think a bunch of well-off white people looking at it on their MacBook Pros and laughing at it through a mouthful of Whole Foods salad bar is pretty racist

my friend flocka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:14 (3 years ago) Permalink

glad I'm broke, on a dell, and had chili for lunch then.

zomg_bong.mp3 (Kerm), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:18 (3 years ago) Permalink

black people eat Whole Foods salad bar, too

sarahel, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:19 (3 years ago) Permalink

so like, on a pitchfork scale of 0.0 to 10.0, where 10.0 is a lynching, and 0.0 is Martin Luther King Jr. enjoying a cup of coffee while making breakfast, in his pajamas, humming a soft song to himself, where would the MacBook Pro thing fall? where does this comment fall?

I think this thread, while started with the noblest of intentions, has been a failure. And the reason I believe it has failed is that we (as a society) are so resigned to simply declaring something racist or not, as if it's binary, instead of attempting to quantify exactly how racist something really is, using numerical scales.

del griffith, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:23 (3 years ago) Permalink

that scene from Louie where the school bus breaks down in Harlem and he reassigns the black kids the window seats: greater than 1.2?

*folds hands, rests elbows on desk, places chin on fingertips, looks up and slightly to the left, thinks*

del griffith, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:27 (3 years ago) Permalink

i think you've anticipated an exciting new direction for Pitchfork Reviews Reviews

sarahel, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:28 (3 years ago) Permalink

God, this fucking thread. Is this racist? Is it? Well? I need something to be outraged about, fuckin' tell me!!! Ugh.

SourPatchCorpse, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:35 (3 years ago) Permalink

i dont think anyone is really all that outraged tbh

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:36 (3 years ago) Permalink

Was Dr. King's morning coffee fair trade or unregulated?

http://tinyurl.com/vrrr0000m (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:38 (3 years ago) Permalink

Exactly, this thread isn't about being outraged at these things, it's about discussing them, and learning from them, and analyzing peoples motivations, gaining valuable insight into contemporary race relations, and proposing solutions for a more equitable society. Which is why it is essentially ineffectual, and why we should focus on merely assigning submitted material a score.

del griffith, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

we can't be sure, can we, so let's kick it up to 0.8

('_') (omar little), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

xp that is not for me, as a MacBook Pro owner, to say

del griffith, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

jk i don't really own one of those racist fuckin computers ;p

del griffith, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:42 (3 years ago) Permalink

That Low Country Kingdom thing is fascinating

cardamon, Monday, 4 August 2014 22:15 (1 month ago) Permalink

'White, military people have crashed (?) and now are underwater (but also in a burning city) surrounded by dangerous but admiring non-white mermaids, the white men maintain their composure'

cardamon, Monday, 4 August 2014 22:16 (1 month ago) Permalink

Seems to have nothing to do with China though?

cardamon, Monday, 4 August 2014 22:17 (1 month ago) Permalink

sketchfactor "has a reporting mechanism for racial profiling," so it's got that going for it.

le hague, Sunday, 10 August 2014 21:23 (1 month ago) Permalink

I downloaded Sketchfactor and 99% of the entries are trolling, and some are really funny

Dan I., Monday, 11 August 2014 02:18 (1 month ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

Charlie Rich - Behind Closed Doors [Started by Charlie Rose (Charlie Rose) in September 2003, last updated 51 seconds ago by Jazzbo on I Love Music] 6 new answers

Nothing less than the Spirit of the Age (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 13:20 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

what do u think of the word 'jazzbo'

2 US archaic A person, especially a black man.

Nothing less than the Spirit of the Age (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 13:22 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Here are names of some toys that will make many reader squinch: Jazzbo Jim, Tombo Alabama Coon Jigger, Ham and Sam, and Somstepa Coon Jigger. They certainly don't represent the finest hour of American manufacturing history.

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1991-05-05/features/1991125223_1_black-memorabilia-jigger-jazzbo

Nothing less than the Spirit of the Age (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 13:23 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

I had never heard that meaning of jazzbo before! Had always taken it to mean geeks with sick chops.

how's life, Wednesday, 27 August 2014 13:25 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

note that it doesnt say it is derogatory in itself, just that any 'neutral' word for 'a person, especially a black man' in early 20th c america will inevitably carry the value inferences of its age

Nothing less than the Spirit of the Age (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 13:27 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

I always thought jazzbo was a beatnik term--like a white dude grooving to a Charlie Parker set

Now you're messing with a (President Keyes), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 13:30 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

2 US archaic A person, especially a black man.

that brief definition is provided by oxfordictionaries.com without any etymological support, not that i question their scholarship. i'm curious about this usage, though, as it's new to me. i wonder whether the word was ever really in common use in this extremely generic sense. perhaps the mention simply reflects the tendency of racist whites to turn anything associated with black culture into a hateful epithet?

Adding ease. Adding wonder. Adding (contenderizer), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 13:55 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

this is selling for $1900 on ebay

sick mouthy should be looking to expect around £25,000 for his mint condition ronaldinho bottle opener in 50 years time

Nothing less than the Spirit of the Age (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 13:59 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

can i still call jazz guys "cats"?

ruffalo soldier (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 14:12 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

only if you're talking about the ownership of their bases

Nhex, Wednesday, 27 August 2014 14:14 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

does the name of the toy describe the character as a musician (playing banjo, "dancer"), or is it simply generic? and is there any clear difference between the two, given popular racist notions regarding "natural" aptitudes?

Adding ease. Adding wonder. Adding (contenderizer), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 14:17 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

asking because i don't think that the tendency of racists to use the language of black culture in a hateful manner should be granted the power to render the language racist. suppose it's a question of degree.

Adding ease. Adding wonder. Adding (contenderizer), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 14:27 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Someone should ask a Black person.

Orson Wellies (in orbit), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 14:45 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

[nods sagely]

Adding ease. Adding wonder. Adding (contenderizer), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 14:54 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Albert Richard "Jazzbo" Collins (born January 4, 1919, Rochester, New York[1] — d. September 30, 1997, Marin County, California) was an American disc jockey, radio personality and recording artist who was briefly the host of NBC television's Tonight show in 1957.

The name "Jazzbo" derived from a product Collins had seen, a clip-on bowtie named Jazzbows.

lars von (Treeship), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 14:59 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Let's ask Prince Jazzbo.

Except he's dead. What about another DJ, Jazzbo Collins?

A popular segment on his show was the "no stinkin' badges" routine. Al would politely request the main guest for that day don a Mexican bandit costume, complete with ammo belts crossing the chest, six-guns in holsters, a huge sombrero and large fake mustache. The guest then had to pose in front of cameras and for the TV audience. With pistols pointing at the camera lens the guest had to say (with emphasis) "I don't got to show you no stinkin' badges." If the guest did not say it with sufficient sinister tone Collins made him or her repeat it until in Al's opinion the guest got it right.

But he's dead too.

pplains, Wednesday, 27 August 2014 15:00 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

also from al "jazzbo"'s wikipedia page:

A popular segment on his show was the "no stinkin' badges" routine. Al would politely request the main guest for that day don a Mexican bandit costume, complete with ammo belts crossing the chest, six-guns in holsters, a huge sombrero and large fake mustache. The guest then had to pose in front of cameras and for the TV audience. With pistols pointing at the camera lens the guest had to say (with emphasis) "I don't got to show you no stinkin' badges." If the guest did not say it with sufficient sinister tone Collins made him or her repeat it until in Al's opinion the guest got it right.

lars von (Treeship), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 15:00 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

oh sorry for the repeat post. you've got to be quick on this site.

lars von (Treeship), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 15:01 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

in any event, at least one jazzbo, we know, was racist

lars von (Treeship), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 15:04 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Oof. My dad has a few Al "Jazzbo" Collins 78s that he played for me when I was a kid, and I remember them as being hilarious, but no idea if they hold up. That's some seriously fucked-up shit about his tv show, though.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 15:12 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Elvis Costello gets Stroppy with Aging Jazzbo

lars von (Treeship), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 15:16 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

apparently, it was once thought by some that the genre's appellation descended from a musician named "jazzbo"

that's according to this site, anyway

Adding ease. Adding wonder. Adding (contenderizer), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 15:18 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

the word "jazz" comes from "jasm", which meant semen but also was used to denote vitality and energy. this according to an art history professor from college.

lars von (Treeship), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 15:22 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

All this jazzbo talk, I was about to make a witty remark about the Hasbro toy company.

But wait. Remember when "bro" was more of an African American reference, soul brother 70s street "jive" talk, etc?

Now it's more about frat boys and white people who surprise each other with bottles of Smirnoff Ice. Hasbro indeed.

pplains, Wednesday, 27 August 2014 15:27 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Most of the music's innovators -- Ellington, Miles, Mingus, Monk, many others -- hated the term "jazz," which they (rightly) saw as limiting and demeaning at best.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 15:32 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Elvis Costello gets Stroppy with Aging Jazzbo

― lars von (Treeship), Wednesday, August 27, 2014 10:16 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^fuck elvis i just picked up a gary peacock/mal waldren record at a garage sale, dude rules

ruffalo soldier (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 16:38 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

who'd have thought a racial slur would be mentioned in conjunction with elvis costello

a spectrum is taunting ur OP (wins), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 16:48 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

what

Gay Fire Beautiful Dong (Stevie D(eux)), Sunday, 14 September 2014 17:15 (2 days ago) Permalink


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