rolling "Is This Racist?" thread

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for reference:

She's blonde,
She's blonde,
Comes along the sidewalk.

She's Blonde,
Leave a trail of blue and black,
Up to you fighting back.

She's Blonde,
Steel chains,
A noose of charms on our necks.

I find out nothing when we talk and sit,
Blue heart passion and watch the set.

Easy to fall, when part of your skull starts to break away,
Cheaters walk, down the block behind this evil street.

She's a white girl well I'm living with a white girl,
She's a white girl well I'm living with a white girl-

Nineteen,
Nineteen.. losing her man to an old girl.

Nineteen,
Drain every beer left over at home,
and listen to ghosts in the other room.

I Can't!
Why not? You're alone inside his keeping.

Oh I'll replace your drunk old man,
Sit in the parking lot and hold your hand.

Easy to fall, when part of your skull starts to break away...
Drugged and in love out at a club pulling me outside.

She's a white girl, well I'm living with a white girl,
She's a white girl, well I'm living with a white girl-

Easy to fall, when part of your skull starts to break away...
drugged and in love out at a club pulling me outside.

She's a white girl well I'm living with a white girl,
She's a white girl well I'm living with a white girl

having just finished re-reading We Got the Neutron Bomb my guess is this song is about the young lady that Exene moved out to California with, who was by all accounts something of a bitch who would pull white-supremacist provacateur type stuff to get a rise out of people.

Dr. Lol Evans (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:19 (4 years ago) Permalink

blanking on her name at the moment.

Dr. Lol Evans (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:20 (4 years ago) Permalink

Not racist. Someone else could make the argument for exploitative, but it's a stretch to say that the Kings of Leon have any hatred or intolerance toward black people.

Now apologize for making me watch a Kings of Leon video for two minutes.

http://tinyurl.com/vrrr0000m (Pleasant Plains), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:20 (4 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I guess exploitative and colonialist (is that the right word?) more than captial-R RACIST, but still like; who does a video treatment that;'s like "OK, you're hugging black kids for four minutes"

Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 20 September 2010 19:22 (4 years ago) Permalink

i think it's hard to call a music video 'exploitative' -- what are they exploiting these kids for? no one watches music videos. they have no impact, unless you're lady gaga

colonialist maybe, but remember that KOL are the most popular band in europe

J0rdan S., Monday, 20 September 2010 19:24 (4 years ago) Permalink

racist, clearly not

J0rdan S., Monday, 20 September 2010 19:24 (4 years ago) Permalink

would've preferred video featuring band being murdered by black kids

Dr. Lol Evans (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:24 (4 years ago) Permalink

It reminded me of a generic John Cougar Mellencamp video. Had they been white kids, it would've looked like 70% of the videos on CMT.

http://tinyurl.com/vrrr0000m (Pleasant Plains), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:26 (4 years ago) Permalink

Still waiting for an apology.

http://tinyurl.com/vrrr0000m (Pleasant Plains), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:27 (4 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I guess exploitative and colonialist (is that the right word?) more than captial-R RACIST, but still like; who does a video treatment that;'s like "OK, you're hugging black kids for four minutes"

obv the answer is "the dude who directed the new Kings of Leon video, whose name somehow has not yet made it to the bits of the Internet you can hit within 5 minutes of using Google"

(that more than anything else is making me lol, like whoever this was basically went "I'll do this for you and it will be awesome! I don't want any credit tho" *waits for shitstorm*)

juggalo iglesias (HI DERE), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:27 (4 years ago) Permalink

carles is slippin -- passion pit already did the "hire a choir of underprivileged minority youths" thing

J0rdan S., Monday, 20 September 2010 19:28 (4 years ago) Permalink

he's not even listed on the mtv site, which is usually v good about putting directors up in there

Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 20 September 2010 19:33 (4 years ago) Permalink

gonna lol if it was Hype Williams

juggalo iglesias (HI DERE), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:41 (4 years ago) Permalink

the video and song are both unmentionably terrible w/ stupid and retrograde notions about race but i don't think they are simply ~racist~

Chinedu "Edu" Obasi Ogbuke (nakhchivan), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:46 (4 years ago) Permalink

Sophie Muller directed it.

Kerm, Monday, 20 September 2010 19:56 (4 years ago) Permalink

more offensive for not being funny

bnw, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 01:54 (4 years ago) Permalink

http://tinyurl.com/vrrr0000m (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 03:49 (4 years ago) Permalink

that was a fake

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 21 September 2010 03:51 (4 years ago) Permalink

but it was racist because someone realized that they could spell "nigger" by a video game and they set up a soccer video game and took a photo of it and sent it all over the internet

so yes, racist

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 21 September 2010 03:52 (4 years ago) Permalink

this isn't a thread for lol racism, fyi. keep that shit to "encyclopedia of racist products" or, like, 4chan

my friend flocka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 03:55 (4 years ago) Permalink

strictly concern trolling in here.

Kerm, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 03:57 (4 years ago) Permalink

I figured it was some soccer thing. Wouldn't have been surprised if it had been real.

http://tinyurl.com/vrrr0000m (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 03:58 (4 years ago) Permalink

take it to i love footy

p.m.s.b. (pre-mall smoke bomb) (zorn_bond.mp3), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 04:50 (4 years ago) Permalink

love the gawker update where they act like they understood the joke from the beginning

jeff, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 05:30 (4 years ago) Permalink

barf

maybe LJ is right about ilx being the smartest message board

my friend flocka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 05:35 (4 years ago) Permalink

http://hipsterhitler.com/

p.m.s.b. (pre-mall smoke bomb) (zorn_bond.mp3), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 05:40 (4 years ago) Permalink

gawker isnt a message board

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 21 September 2010 05:42 (4 years ago) Permalink

ilx is my favorite blog

markers, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 05:44 (4 years ago) Permalink

MIXMASTER
RACE

EASTSIDE
WESTSIDE
GENOCIDE

p.m.s.b. (pre-mall smoke bomb) (zorn_bond.mp3), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 05:45 (4 years ago) Permalink

is anti-semitism racist or not, because this guy at the bar I frequent is convinced that Birth Of A Nation was produced by Jews & that the Jews control the media etc etc

I know it sucks either way just wanted 2 know ur opinions

4 my muthafuckin mods (crüt), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 06:02 (4 years ago) Permalink

Of course anti-semitism is racism. It's just that racism against Jews has acquired a term of its own, probably because discriminating them has been so prominent historically.

Where it gets tricky is when anti-Israel or anti-Zionist statements are equated with anti-semitism; of course some anti-Israel/anti-Zionist people are also anti-semitists/racists, but many of them aren't. But your case is pretty obviously racist because the target is Jews as a whole, not Israeli politics or anything.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 06:56 (4 years ago) Permalink

are the finns a race?

mookieproof, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 06:59 (4 years ago) Permalink

Ca. 300 Finnish Jews fought in the War alongside the German Army[3][4]. The field synagogue operated by the Finnish army was probably a unique phenomenon in Europe.

Guess they didn't have Google then either.

http://tinyurl.com/vrrr0000m (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 14:00 (4 years ago) Permalink

take it to i love footy

― p.m.s.b. (pre-mall smoke bomb) (zorn_bond.mp3),

jesus way to zing an entire bord of innocents wtf

i dont love everything, i love football (darraghmac), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 14:02 (4 years ago) Permalink

Subtle "Americans don't like soocer and aren't racist" undertones there

Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 14:04 (4 years ago) Permalink

yeah really i'm getting some prety bad vibes offa this zorn character. bet he's norwegian/icelandic thor worshipper

i dont love everything, i love football (darraghmac), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 14:05 (4 years ago) Permalink

zorn smash

p.m.s.b. (pre-mall smoke bomb) (zorn_bond.mp3), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 15:55 (4 years ago) Permalink

is this chorus racist?

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 21 September 2010 18:57 (4 years ago) Permalink

?

my friend flocka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:01 (4 years ago) Permalink

http://dasracist.net/

am0n, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:02 (4 years ago) Permalink

idk singing about sippin syrup like three 6 and getting "slizzered"

it's a bit 3oh3 minstrel

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:02 (4 years ago) Permalink

i can def see that

my friend flocka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:04 (4 years ago) Permalink

Man, if it's wrong to make fun of people who drink cough syrup to get high, I don't wanna get high.

doobieborther, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:07 (4 years ago) Permalink

How does all the lol ghetto retard stuff on lamebook.com fit into this thread? Not sure if I'd rather it be real or fake.

zomg_bong.mp3 (Kerm), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:09 (4 years ago) Permalink

i think a bunch of well-off white people looking at it on their MacBook Pros and laughing at it through a mouthful of Whole Foods salad bar is pretty racist

my friend flocka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:14 (4 years ago) Permalink

glad I'm broke, on a dell, and had chili for lunch then.

zomg_bong.mp3 (Kerm), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:18 (4 years ago) Permalink

black people eat Whole Foods salad bar, too

sarahel, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:19 (4 years ago) Permalink

so like, on a pitchfork scale of 0.0 to 10.0, where 10.0 is a lynching, and 0.0 is Martin Luther King Jr. enjoying a cup of coffee while making breakfast, in his pajamas, humming a soft song to himself, where would the MacBook Pro thing fall? where does this comment fall?

I think this thread, while started with the noblest of intentions, has been a failure. And the reason I believe it has failed is that we (as a society) are so resigned to simply declaring something racist or not, as if it's binary, instead of attempting to quantify exactly how racist something really is, using numerical scales.

del griffith, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:23 (4 years ago) Permalink

source links to a time article behind a paywall

linda cardellini (zachlyon), Saturday, 15 November 2014 19:35 (1 month ago) Permalink

More on Zwarte Piet, 90 people were arrested in Gouda for protesting in a non-designated zone yesterday.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30069240

The Gouda authorities introduced other coloured Petes, including a Cheese Pete, this year

Wristy Hurlington (ShariVari), Sunday, 16 November 2014 10:00 (1 month ago) Permalink

Yup. Right wing media crying wolf saying a children's party has been ruined forever. Death threats to people who want to change the tradition. A former (social democrat) MP actually denied to shake my hand a couple of weeks back because I've published op-ed's about how we need to get rid of this blackface tradition.
At the other end I had friends of mine arrested, simply for BEING there and being black. Black people were seen as suspect simply because of the color of their skin.

Meanwhile we have a PM, Cameron's best friend Rutte, saying 'Pete is black because he is black, it's a tradition, children's party' etc. What a fucking shambles. Take away our healthcare, let banks dupe you, it's all no problem. But you want to change a racist blackface tradition? Get out of this country! That's the tendency in this 'tolerant' backwards country. Death threats are through the roof. When football player Leroy Fer shared a photo on Instagram this weekend he gets dozens of comments calling him monkey, black pete etc. The attack on black Pete brings out the blatant racism that is virile in this fucking country.

These are our culture wars, but we *will* win. This racist blackface tradition WILL go.

a pleasant little psychedelic detour in the elevator (Amory Blaine), Sunday, 16 November 2014 22:49 (1 month ago) Permalink

a MP knowing who you are seems like a pretty good humblebrag

jenny holzer, ilxor (mh), Monday, 17 November 2014 02:00 (1 month ago) Permalink

Man.

fightin the good fight amory

Οὖτις, Monday, 17 November 2014 03:14 (1 month ago) Permalink

We had a version of Othello on the BBC B Micro, only it was called Reversi. Loved the crap out of it and would play my dad for hours at it.

you fuck one chud... (stevie), Monday, 17 November 2014 11:05 (1 month ago) Permalink

I first became aware of Othello when I was 5 or 6 years old and a commercial played regularly during afternoon cartoons. The commercial featured an old asian man who waved his hands over the tiles, causing them to flip from white to black. I begged my mom for the game, but she explained to me that the tiles did not actually do that. You had to flip them over yourself.

holla back for a dope nakh (how's life), Monday, 17 November 2014 11:33 (1 month ago) Permalink

moms are such killjoys

jenny holzer, ilxor (mh), Monday, 17 November 2014 14:53 (1 month ago) Permalink

I was p pissed when I got Guess Who around the same age and the faces didn't pop out of the cards and talk to me like they did to the kids in the commercial.

Belami Young (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 17 November 2014 15:20 (1 month ago) Permalink

ultimately my parents never did help me put it together

So beautiful cow (forksclovetofu), Monday, 17 November 2014 15:47 (1 month ago) Permalink

stevie otm

example (crüt), Monday, 17 November 2014 16:33 (1 month ago) Permalink

lol @ the throwing in of a mystical asian. some bewildering semiotic terrain this game.

difficult listening hour, Monday, 17 November 2014 17:20 (1 month ago) Permalink

(and all to dress up go jr.: cultural approps!)

difficult listening hour, Monday, 17 November 2014 17:22 (1 month ago) Permalink

I've never played this game, but could it be more racial than racist?

I mean, what if you're the black team and you win all the time? What if you played it while listening to the White Album?

pplains, Monday, 17 November 2014 17:26 (1 month ago) Permalink

"mystical asian" probably a nod to othello's provenance as poor man's go

So beautiful cow (forksclovetofu), Monday, 17 November 2014 17:31 (1 month ago) Permalink

i need to make my posts less gnomic

anyway there's nothing Racist abt the game itself i think, or no more than chess. (not sure when chess standardized white/black.) it's just the name that insists you try to read it as a metaphor about race relations, which is a mess: on the one hand the races are total/essential and at implacable war; on the other hand people apparently find it easy to switch their race; on the other other hand maybe the process represented by the flipping pieces is cleansing/repopulation. none of these thoughts would exist if not for the name.

difficult listening hour, Monday, 17 November 2014 17:43 (1 month ago) Permalink

(so because the name invokes a torrent of signs it has no idea what to do with and is invoking cheaply and shallowly i am cool w being anti-it)

difficult listening hour, Monday, 17 November 2014 17:44 (1 month ago) Permalink

this is a no-brainer don't sweat it

Fairly peng (wins), Monday, 17 November 2014 17:46 (1 month ago) Permalink

not sure when chess standardized white/black

p recently I would say - they're red and white in Lewis Carroll for ex.

Οὖτις, Monday, 17 November 2014 17:47 (1 month ago) Permalink

none of these thoughts would exist if not for the name.

sry maybe it's foolish to say none of these thoughts would exist abt a game made on earth by white people featuring a war between white and black pieces. none of these thoughts would exist specifically about this game zall.

difficult listening hour, Monday, 17 November 2014 17:48 (1 month ago) Permalink

oh look

this is p interesting actually

Οὖτις, Monday, 17 November 2014 17:49 (1 month ago) Permalink

it is!

difficult listening hour, Monday, 17 November 2014 17:51 (1 month ago) Permalink

I mean just... waht:

it was evident that players could in many cases choose Black when they had the first move, even if the published game-score indicated that White had moved first.

Οὖτις, Monday, 17 November 2014 17:53 (1 month ago) Permalink

lol @ the throwing in of a mystical asian. some bewildering semiotic terrain this game.

― difficult listening hour, Monday, November 17, 2014 5:20 PM (42 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

We had this Mastermind at home when I was young. The cover of the box fascinated me to no end.

a pleasant little psychedelic detour in the elevator (Amory Blaine), Monday, 17 November 2014 18:05 (1 month ago) Permalink

i am positive we did this on another thread already (maybe this one) but i guess this is the next line
http://www.le.ac.uk/press/press/landmarkreunion.html

So beautiful cow (forksclovetofu), Monday, 17 November 2014 18:07 (1 month ago) Permalink

Didn't know that but thanks Forks!

a pleasant little psychedelic detour in the elevator (Amory Blaine), Monday, 17 November 2014 18:08 (1 month ago) Permalink

a MP knowing who you are seems like a pretty good humblebrag

― jenny holzer, ilxor (mh), Monday, November 17, 2014 2:00 AM (16 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Not really. It was merely to illustrate that even someone who practically shakes hands for a living - a politician - couldn't bring himself to shake mine, even though we go back a bit. That is how Black Pete is dividing this shameful nation right now.

a pleasant little psychedelic detour in the elevator (Amory Blaine), Monday, 17 November 2014 18:10 (1 month ago) Permalink

On the mastermind box, from tvtropes:

The game was originally produced with box-art that seemed to suggest that "masterminds" would pose like James Bond villains and have Dragon Lady girlfriends

a pleasant little psychedelic detour in the elevator (Amory Blaine), Monday, 17 November 2014 18:14 (1 month ago) Permalink

good ol' tv tropes

Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 17 November 2014 18:41 (1 month ago) Permalink

maybe this is just me but when I was a kid I thought they were both masterminds

the farakhan of gg (DJP), Monday, 17 November 2014 19:15 (1 month ago) Permalink

yeah I had that too and their identity/role was confounding - were these the people I was playing against (then shouldn't there only be one of them?) or were they opponents playing against each other? is that guy supposed to be some evil British colonialist etc

Οὖτις, Monday, 17 November 2014 19:22 (1 month ago) Permalink

My thought was "there's the male mastermind and the female mastermind and they are both challenging me; CHALLENGE ACCEPTED as soon as I can beat my older brother"

the farakhan of gg (DJP), Monday, 17 November 2014 19:29 (1 month ago) Permalink

Distinguished-looking Bill Woodward was then the owner of a chain of hairdressing salons

You know, I wasn't that far off.

pplains, Monday, 17 November 2014 19:33 (1 month ago) Permalink

lol @ the throwing in of a mystical asian. some bewildering semiotic terrain this game.

― difficult listening hour, Monday, November 17, 2014 5:20 PM (Yesterday)

isn't othello just a total ripoff of GO tho? not to justify; I am probably staring too much into the fucked up marketer's abyss?

never say goodbye before leaving chat room (Crabbits), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 01:24 (1 month ago) Permalink

mark s has some classic analysis of the various Mastermind boxes in this old thread - mastermind, the game

who cares? the moon sucks. (The Yellow Kid), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 01:52 (1 month ago) Permalink

"gypsy cab"?

Just noise and screaming and no musical value at all. (Colonel Poo), Monday, 24 November 2014 16:47 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Good catch - apologies for using that phrase

, Monday, 24 November 2014 16:50 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Racism aside, I always thought it was pretty funny how they made a desperate attempt to sex up a game that is obviously quite dry.

my jaw left (Hurting 2), Monday, 24 November 2014 16:54 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

It worked cause you guys all remember it! I'd even seen that cover before.

Nhex, Monday, 24 November 2014 17:10 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

This is from a Danish childrens christmas show that is shown this year, a rerun from 17 years ago:

Sorta fits into the Black Pete discussion. It's also worth mentioning, that the confecture the children are dressed up as used to have a racist nickname. But apparantly, whether or not it is racist is actually up for debate in Denmark. Because, you know, all the - white - people in the clip are just having fun together.

Frederik B, Saturday, 13 December 2014 17:16 (6 days ago) Permalink


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