Def Leppard 'Hysteria': C/D?

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Actually, it's a viscous mushroom-cloud of needlessly syruppy glop that could send a diabetic into a sugar coma.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 21 May 2004 01:43 (nineteen years ago) link

YAY!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 21 May 2004 01:44 (nineteen years ago) link

(I mean, there really is nothing at all wrong with that description, aside from 'needlessly' and 'glop.')

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 21 May 2004 01:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Mutt Lange, yesterday:

http://www.genewilder.org/photos/ww/ww_wouldulike2c.jpg

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 21 May 2004 01:47 (nineteen years ago) link

BEST COMPLIMENT EVER!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 21 May 2004 01:49 (nineteen years ago) link

46) The layers of guitars at work in the chorus of "Animal," specifically how after each gang-shout part of the chorus there's this subtle but essential little extra chime.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 21 May 2004 02:04 (nineteen years ago) link

DON'T LET THIS THREAD DIE OMGWTF!

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 23 May 2004 19:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Gotcha.

HYSTERIA SUCKS A BIG BAG OF GREASY DICKS!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 23 May 2004 19:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Then add more reasons to love, Eisbar ya punk.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 23 May 2004 19:42 (nineteen years ago) link

i can't believe when forced to choose between this and grunge, "we" chose grunge.

i weep for my generation.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 23 May 2004 20:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Another reason why Iron Maiden are incalculably cooler than Def Lepard.....

COFFEE MUGS!

http://www.eddiesmegastore.com/images/stock/killersmug_large.jpg

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 23 May 2004 20:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Hysteria and Nevermind were four years apart, that's enough time for a generation or two. ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 23 May 2004 20:22 (nineteen years ago) link

yer like 10 years younger than gen-x, strongo? what you mean "we"?

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 23 May 2004 20:24 (nineteen years ago) link

besides, the world's big enough for both hysteria and nevermind. i didn't melt down the former immediately after being the latter, you know.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 23 May 2004 20:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Being vs buying.

"I AM Nirvana, man!"

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 23 May 2004 20:26 (nineteen years ago) link

haha nevermind != grunge

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 23 May 2004 20:27 (nineteen years ago) link

unless you care to make a case for candlebox

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 23 May 2004 20:27 (nineteen years ago) link

considering my undergrad antics, that slip was a little more freudian than i would've liked.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 23 May 2004 20:28 (nineteen years ago) link

besides, i think that stone temple pilots = the def leppard of the nineties.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 23 May 2004 20:29 (nineteen years ago) link

haha nevermind != grunge

Well, supposedly it getting to number one meant more than Adrenalize debuting there. (Number two that week -- Wish by the Cure!)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 23 May 2004 20:30 (nineteen years ago) link

1990/1991 were weird years.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 23 May 2004 20:30 (nineteen years ago) link

strongo = closet NELSON fan?!?

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 23 May 2004 20:31 (nineteen years ago) link

fuck winger ... i was happier that nirvana et. al. got rid of NELSON.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 23 May 2004 20:32 (nineteen years ago) link

http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drf500/f595/f59513p0fnk.jpg

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 23 May 2004 20:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, strongo, by '91, I think it was more of a choice between "Let's Get Rocked"/"Make Love Like a Man" and grunge.

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Sunday, 23 May 2004 21:05 (nineteen years ago) link

90/91 was also the heyday of ice cube/public enemy/jungle brothers/geto boys/de la soul/tribe called quest.

i was almost trife-an those days.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 23 May 2004 21:08 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm actually getting a little tired of hating on the whole '90s rock gestalt. Most of the hair-farmers were already turning into wanna-be cowboys (their audience REALLY turned into cowboys thanks to Garth Brooks), REM's Out Of Time was the first rock album to hit number one in over a year when it did and Candlebox would have been just as big in 88 as 92 (it's called a power ballad, it was nothing new). It kind of fits with the induction of Clinton and PC that we would have a new series of less gleefully sexual (ok THAT element is kind of ironic in hindsight re: Monicagate), less crass, more "socially conscious" superstars. Billy Corgan, Eddie Vedder, Kurt Cobain, Trent Reznor, etc. fit the times pretty well. It's important to remember that the good-times patrol were REALLY not putting up a fight at the time, releasing nothing but ballads and lukewarm shit like Adrenalize. It's definitely annoying that the liberal, "considerate" bands couldn't work up the infectious enthusiasm of '80s groups (Beasties being an arguable exception), this shouldn't be surprising. Look at liberal candidates vs. conservative ones. Considering all the elements vs. going with what comes naturally. Grime vs. crunk!

Besides Meat Loaf was huge 1993.

Ok, that was all over the place.

47) The swooping sounds right before the guitar solo on "Hysteria."

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 23 May 2004 21:10 (nineteen years ago) link

But overtly liberal socially conscious messages in rock were surely more 80s than 90s? Even Ozzy Osbourne, Queensryche, Iron Maiden, and White Lion were writing overtly political 'protest' songs, to say nothing of Bono/Sting/Springsteen/Morrissey/Gabriel/Geddy/Garrett. All the 90s stars you mention, except maybe Vedder, were way more solipstic and amoral. If anything, they probably led to U2 and REM becoming less political.

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Sunday, 23 May 2004 21:17 (nineteen years ago) link

In the '90s the paradox was groups whose liberal nature was assumed found themselves shoved in the limelight (again, in part because the hair-farmers weren't earning the attention anymore - plus the Nirvana bandwagon effect), and most responded with the ironic amorality you're talking about. These groups were still SEEN as liberal though.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 23 May 2004 21:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Plus a lot of the stars you're talking (Sting/Gabriel/Geddy) were targeted for older audiences.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 23 May 2004 21:24 (nineteen years ago) link

And Morrissey's biggest US hits were in '92 (Your Arsenal being his album chart peak) and '94 ("The More You Ignore Me" his biggest pop single).

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 23 May 2004 21:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, I was thinking of Morrissey as frontman for the Smiths, not of his solo career at all. (Dunno his solo career too well but his politics did seem to get a bit more ambiguous then, didn't they?)

Don't you think there might have been something problematic about the 'gleefully sexual' nature of a lot of hair metal though? Maybe you do and are being ironic.

I'm not 100% sure that all that nihilistic 90s stuff was necessarily seen as liberal per se. In one way, it could be read as a liberal dissatisfaction with the order of things. But that kind of cynicism could also be read as having a sense of the futility of trying to change. Misanthropy, which was a major theme, seems to be ultimately anti-liberal.

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Sunday, 23 May 2004 21:45 (nineteen years ago) link

and sadly, misanthropy is the one element that survived when grunge transformed into nu-metal (which Chuck Klosterman accurately described as being the worst of both worlds in Fargo Rock City). I definitely think the rock of the early '90s had its social foundations in the Clintonian spirit (this increasing ambiguity fits with that too. These bands all became moderates once they got into office - or arguably always were moderates!), which is why I'm kind of tired of hating on it. It's not like we had all this great '80s rock and decided it sucked and ran off and bought Ten.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 23 May 2004 21:55 (nineteen years ago) link

and I definitely think there was a problem with the "gleeful sexual" element. I just don't think asexual discomfort was the answer in hindsight (though I thought it worked fine in middle school!).

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 23 May 2004 21:57 (nineteen years ago) link

I remember talking about the success of Cracker with an ex-girlfriend and she noted that in 1992 there weren't a lot of songs with sexual energy on rock radio. That's right, DAVID LOWERY was the sex god of 1992.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 23 May 2004 21:58 (nineteen years ago) link

oh wait. "Low" was in 1993, I think.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 23 May 2004 21:59 (nineteen years ago) link

... It kind of fits with the induction of Clinton and PC that we would have a new series of less gleefully sexual (ok THAT element is kind of ironic in hindsight re: Monicagate), less crass, more "socially conscious" superstars. .... Grime vs. crunk!

...and none of this had anything to do with the economy

is Strongo really Gen-Y (which begins ~78)? If so, I think we can grandfather (haha) him in.

oh, and Nelson fucking rock. ok, they don't rock. but you know what I mean.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 24 May 2004 02:14 (nineteen years ago) link

five months pass...

When you read over this thread in full, it actually was easily one of the best threads on here this year.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 29 October 2004 03:57 (nineteen years ago) link

there was some comment about def leppard making music about making music ("rocking") on some other thread--where was that? it was more insightful than my precis would suggest.

also isn't chuck's preference for DL over REM kind of ideologically overdetermined? i'm still waiting for chuck to surprise me...

― amateur!!st, Friday, 29 October 2004 04:05 (nineteen years ago) link

also yeah this record rules

― amateur!!st, Friday, 29 October 2004 04:05 (nineteen years ago) link

1 Nena & Kim Wilde Anyplace Anywhere Anytime Warner Bros. import
2 A*Teens A Perfect Match Universal
3 Lindsay Lohan Ultimate Hollywood
4 Skye Sweetnam Billy S Capitol
5 Triple Image Turn It Up (japanese import) Wire
6 Hilary Duff Why Not Hollywood
7 Nikki Cleary Summertime Guys Jive
8 Hilary Duff What Dreams Are Made Of Disney
9 Lillix What I Like About You Hollywood
10 Hilary Duff So Yesterday Buena Vista/Hollywood

haha *barf*

― amateur!!st, Friday, 29 October 2004 04:11 (nineteen years ago) link

In approximate order:
1. Cinderella, Long Cold Winter
2. Faster Pussycat, Where There's a Whip There's a Way
2. Warrant, Dirty Rotten Filthy Stinking Rich
3. Warrant, Cherry Pie
4. first Faster Pussycat album
5. Pyromania
6. Cinderella, Still Climbing
7. first Skid Row
8. Hysteria
9. Warrant, Dog Eat Dog
10. first Def Leppard
11. Warrant, Ultraphobic
12. second Def Leppard
13. Cinderella, Heartbreak Station
14. first Cinderella album
15. Slave to the Grind

(and that leaves out Bang Tango, Kix, etc, etc...)

Wait, was Chuck saying those seven albums (incl 2 Warrant albums, a latter-day Cinderella record, and Skid Row) are all better than Hysteria?

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 29 October 2004 04:18 (nineteen years ago) link

omg it's an iconoclorgasm!

― amateur!!st, Friday, 29 October 2004 04:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh no it doesn't, goddammit. It's a sickly travesty. A syrup-smeared mockery of rock. An anorexic sheep in wolf's clothing.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 29 October 2004 04:36 (nineteen years ago) link

if the devil ever needed a publicist

― amateur!!st, Friday, 29 October 2004 04:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Ann Coulter needs a publicist?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 29 October 2004 05:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Goddammit, I have to buy "Hysteria" now.

― Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Friday, 29 October 2004 18:28 (nineteen years ago) link

As well you should.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 29 October 2004 18:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, it just occured to me (as I read this thread) that I had most of the singles on 7-inch vinyl (weren't half the bloody tracks on this record released as singles?) as a wee'un, but have never owned the full album. Time to pony up some dough. I mean, it's still in print, yes?

― Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Friday, 29 October 2004 18:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Goddammit, I have to buy "Hysteria" now.

Why not buy yourself a candy-coloured, frilly blouse instead? They're kinda the same thing anyway.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 29 October 2004 18:42 (nineteen years ago) link

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