funky house sceptics, let me draw your attention to this

it's a great thing about funky that it can find and make great use of the odd track from bok bok or altered natives or whoever but that doesnt mean everything is suddenly the same thing. what we discuss on these radio sets is a distinction worth fighting for

in what world is lady rocha NOT that? http://djs.totalkiss.com/2010/07/lady-rocha-190710/

fine but one swallow does not a summer make tho alie

any definition of funky that excludes Altered Natives is a bit off.

Altered Natives are funky in the same sense that Armand Van Helden was speed garage (give a little geographical proximity, take a little of Armand's status as originator), I think, in the sense of tuff NY garage:speed garage::broken beat:funky.

An average dj set from Danny Native contains almost zero funky - in fact basically zero if you don't count his own funky crossover tunes.

Nothing wrong with the above of course, and I think Altered Natives are a pretty interesting outfit, though inconsistent (so prolific it's inevitable I guess).

Obv that Greymatter remix is totally massive.

Download from http://www.clubsignal.com/mix9.php

01. SIGNAL October 28th / Marcus Nasty / Ranking / Mz Bratt / Cuppcake
02. Mz. Bratt – Selecta
03. Mz. Bratt – Selecta (Greenmoney's Brukussive Mix)
04. Greenmoney ft. Mz. Bratt – Who's Greenmoney?
05. Suncycle ft. Tony Matterhorn – Ride It (Smutlee Blend)
06. Vato Gonzalez – Badman Riddim
07. Shani Cuppcake – Say Yes
08. Katy B – Katy On A Mission (Roska Remix)
09. DJ MA1 – High Definition
10. Katy B – Louder
11. Lil' Silva – Night Skanker
12. Ramzee – Who's That Lightee?
13. Platnum – Signals (Champion's Gassed Up Mix)
14. Dubbel Dutch – Throwback
15. Sophia Romain – I Can't Sleep
16. Funky Twinz ft. Angel J – Smile
17. Mz. Bratt ft. Sadie Ama – I Like You
18. Shani Cuppcake – Take It Low
19. Andriah – Love Me Not (Naughty Raver Mix)
20. Meleka – Miss Me
21. Perempay 'N' Dee ft. Cleo Sol – Addicted (Main Mix)
22. Zinc – Nexx
23. Eastwood – Soft Touch
24. Mz. Bratt – Who Do You Think You Are? (Original Radio Edit)
25. TS7 & TJ Lyrics – What's Your Shout
26. TS7 & TJ Lyrics ft. Slick Don – What's Your Shout (Remix)
27. Dirty Money ft. Skepta – Hello Good Morning (Grime Remix)
28. Busta Rhymes ft. Mz. Bratt – Hustler's Anthem (Terror Danjah Remix)
29. Skepta ft. Preeya Kalidas – Cross My Heart
30. Princess Nyah – Take Control (Radio Edit)
31. Champion – 1994
32. KOF ft. Wiley & Chelcee Grimes – Fire It Up (FunkyStepz Vocal Mix)
33. Screama – Funky Mode
34. Rian Peters ft. Wiley – Getaway (The Fives Mix)
35. Monique Parris – My Baby (Digital Dubstar Mix)
36. Ve Ve – Right There
37. Pioneer & Supa D – Congo Natty

tim (or anyone) have you listened to that marcus set yet, i wanna finish off this tracklisting! a couple of the missing ones are really obvi, it's doing my nut.

Okay finally got this set, it´s massive!

Unfortunately I can´t identify any of your missing ones. Is 99:15 Supa D´s "Congo Natty" by any chance? It actually sounds either like Dumplin or Scotty D.

no 'congo natty' is a pretty inessential roska-esque tribal set builder tune wot i always forget how it goes exactly. on the plus side though i didn't realise that's all the same tune between 'creeper' and 'xzero' so haha, that's one down at least.

is 25' champion perhaps...? grrr i feel it has literally been around forever.

64 is pretty crazy huh - what a rush!

btw someone at rinse must have got yr holiday memo cos they just repeated that set again this week.

https://www.beatport.com/en-US/html/content/home/detail/1/beatport#app=5251&a486-index=3

^ ill blu mix on this could be big

ah ok i see that link doesnt work - it's the ill blu mix of dj sava & raluka's 'i like the trumpet'. was only going by clips but i was imagining a 'bongo jam' x 'americano' popularity perhaps

YEAH

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bry6gxGJVnY

(only thing is the video starts right on the drop there, but YEAH)

Loving it so much. The Funkystepz/Louise Williams team-up is kinda unbeatable, they should put out this and "Lovers" as a double A-side.

according to maxsin recently they've now added 'whispers' to that sounds of malibu ep they were talking about in june. (so: sweet love / trinity hill / whispers / leave with you / malibu). shouldve chucked 'fuller' on there as well really.

that double a-side would be awesome though yeah. 'lovers' remaining relatively unknown even in funky's small sphere is 4ever baffling.

http://www.zshare.net/audio/80633565a5e76770/

here's a salient rip i made from last week's ill blu show - that trumpet tune and then a wicked new one called 'dirty monkey' that's like a mutant cross between 'meltdown' and the kelis 'acapella' beat - crazy good

Hardhouse Banton FABRICLIVE Promo Mix

re The Fives ft Vanya Taylor - It's What You Do (Hottest By Far), it's so catchy but does anyone else think the vocal sounds like Natasha Beddingfield?

anyone know what's happening re a release, i could see this being a chart hit.

Really?? I don't hear that at all, and I have nothing against Natasha Bedingfield as a vocalist. Vanya is pretty tinny really, Natasha has a much deeper range that balances out her high notes. Are you thinking of "I Bruise Easily" or something?

here's a salient rip i made from last week's ill blu show - that trumpet tune and then a wicked new one called 'dirty monkey' that's like a mutant cross between 'meltdown' and the kelis 'acapella' beat - crazy good

Listening to this mix at the moment - both these tunes are fantastic.

Tim, i gotta just say this because it's been festering on me for weeks. in your mid-year round up.... Sheryl Cole remix.

Really? Cheryl Cole? I mean i dont care how amazing a writer or remixer you are, Cheryl Cole???? Are you sure???

i kinda see what he's saying - it's less vanya herself and more just the song but both have a bigmouth sunny smile thing going basically

don't care for ms kerl at all either but i can't say it bothered my enjoyment of that remix to any particular extent

in fact her vocal skillz of a plank measured quality rather supports the powerful ill blu swirl quite well compared to some of their other remixes i think

Really? Cheryl Cole? I mean i dont care how amazing a writer or remixer you are, Cheryl Cole???? Are you sure???

See the problem is thinking of it as a Cheryl Cole tune. It's not anymore. It's an Ill Blu tune, with some anonymous diva singing, and Ill Blu's entire raison d'être is totally transforming fairly poor originals.

The Roll Deep remixes being a case in point - the originals sound like bad euro dj remixes once you've heard the Ill Blu versions.

I think when people talk about funky vocal tunes they're too quick to start talking in terms of songs and singers - is this tune an anthem, is that diva a good singer, etc - as if, once you add vocals, we're no longer in the realm of dance music per se, and we're now talking about R&B qua R&B or even pop qua pop (connected to this is the (IMO) fruitless search for a potential "name" singer who can rep for funky). But in the context of funky, the song and the singer are most of the time as much a "production trick" as anything else - like some sampled irie chatter in a dubstep tune. In funky, often very "straight" unexpressive vocals work really well at anchoring more outgoing, flashy productions, because a conventional "big vocal" would be a jarring overkill in that context (conversely, "It's What You Do" and "Kiss Me", both anthems and "proper songs", are very simple from a production standpoint). Other examples of this are stuff like Dumplin's "Flatline", or the Lil Silva remix of "Why Can't We Be Friends" - these vocals would be ignorable and irritating, respectively, in any other context, but for the purpose of these funky tracks they're more like synth riffs you can sing along to.

2-step had a history of this sort of thing too, of course. If you want to really waste 4 minutes of your life, hunt down the original of "Flowers".

It helps that Cheryl has zero profile in Australia, like Girls Aloud before her (though "Three Words" gets some play on the radio, more through the presence of W.I.A. than anything else) - AFAIC "Parachute" could be some failed single from some failed R&B hopeful that luckily got a funky remix before the record company decided to shelve the release of the single.

The Roll Deep remixes being a case in point - the originals sound like bad euro dj remixes once you've heard the Ill Blu versions.

they sound like bad euro dance even if you've never heard the ill blu remixes! really, really bad, and even ill blu can't fully rid them of their cheesy stench. i can live with the "green light" remix but not the "good times" one.

i came round to both the cheryl cole remix and the drake one (that's not ill blu but same point really) eventually. had to wait for the general drake conversation to die down though, the week his album dropped i hated him too much for anything with his voice on it to be acceptable. i prefer to think of ill blu as showing up cheryl cole and drake, really; comparing them to the anonodivas who usually populate funky is an insult to your kyras, vanya taylors et al.

actually what's more impressive about the "parachute" remix isn't so much that ill blu made cole's vocal into something semi-compelling but that they found an actual SONG in that mush of nothingness.

probably worth noting that the crazy cousinz remix of the first c.cole single failed (probably cuz there really was no song there) and the geeneus remix of the second c.cole single was only ok (the original probably being about as good as she'll get)

they sound like bad euro dance even if you've never heard the ill blu remixes!

Yeah I know, I mean that they sound like knock-offs too, an afterthought rather than the original. Like all the weird Spanish radio version arrangements of pop tunes I'm hearing here in Madrid (including "According To You" and "Need You Now"?!?!).

What's remarkable about quite a few Ill Blu remixes is that they end up rearranging the tunes into more workable songs than before. It's like Queer Eye For The Straight Guy or Gordon Ramsay's Kitchen Nightmares where the experts ostensibly arrive to do-over one thing but end up saving your marriage in the process.

perhaps i'm just out of practice but i've turned on marcus live now and rankin sounds totally wankered already - theyre arguing about who's going to the shop again

all-instrumentals tonight says the man

omg could this really be... a rankin verse i've never heard before? O____O

oh shit nng 'i keep' refix - sick!!

some great new dubs here and there tonight

oh naaahhhh this one are you maddddd - finding the exact leyline between xylophone tribalism and 2step delights

k gonna stop liveblogging cos providing light nor heat with all this

See the problem is thinking of it as a Cheryl Cole tune. It's not anymore. It's an Ill Blu tune, with some anonymous diva singing, and Ill Blu's entire raison d'être is totally transforming fairly poor originals.

I think when people talk about funky vocal tunes they're too quick to start talking in terms of songs and singers - is this tune an anthem, is that diva a good singer, etc - as if, once you add vocals, we're no longer in the realm of dance music per se, and we're now talking about R&B qua R&B or even pop qua pop (connected to this is the (IMO) fruitless search for a potential "name" singer who can rep for funky). But in the context of funky, the song and the singer are most of the time as much a "production trick" as anything else

so to like this tune you have to pretend she's not Cheryl Cole and not know she's in Girls Aloud? Sorry i dont buy it because even given those two points her vocals are still in for 90% of the track. I'm not doubting Ill Blu's talent but all they added to this remix was that synth and their drums, basically. The single largest musical element is her voice - if fact it carries the mix. if you had less of it they would have had to added more elements to the arrangement carry the rest of the mix.

i loved garage's relationship with r&b refixes, but they just did a lot more with the vocals - Sunship's chopped vox dub of Craig David is a persy, Todd's trademarks too - but here it's just a straight vocal and no amount of driving drums or pretending it's no longer a Cheryl Cole tune will take away from the fact that the one dominant element of this track doesnt cut it...

... Hottest By Far by contrast, ohmydayz...

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f14/snouts/whatever.gif

That Cheryl Cole remix is terrific and it's all about the rising synth chords in the chorus. I really like the Green Light one as well, Ill Blu could make a whole career out of boshing up watery pop-grime and I would be happy.

It's What You Do is a straight-up single of the year contender for me, funky or otherwise.

you have to pretend she's not Cheryl Cole and not know she's in Girls Aloud

It's easy enough not to notice she's Cheryl Cole even when listening to her own records. Girls Aloud even more so. Her vocals are so anonymous.

It's not about pretending it's not Cheryl, it's about not caring either way. Martin you've given no reason not to like the tune apart from a standing objection to the name "Cheryl Cole".

new marcus is up - if you do not listen ur a dickhead

http://relay.exequo.org/rinsefm/podcast/MarcusNasty220910.mp3

also the ill blu shows have had some good bits but this is their best full set so far - highly recommended

http://relay.exequo.org/rinsefm/podcast/IllBlu210910.mp3

^^new marcus = massive

who gives a fuck about cheryl, anyway? the ill blu rmx is great on its own terms

completely ot : just remembered i've never consciously heard 'blanka'/'terminator' by jme and 'wearwolf' by bearfoot monk. i believe they were in some of nasty's early sets at deja vu, but unfortunately they are now lost amidst the dark corners of my deceased laptop.

could someone up a radio rip or one or two shows where these tracks might be? thx in advance

haha did you really "just remember" that.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=P0KYSSCP

this link to my old rip of marcus on 1xtra in june 08 still works; it's got 'blanka' and 'terminator' on it apparently (don't remember them meself).

'wearwolf' doesnt ring a bell either but i can put a random set up later yeah. see footloose played it a couple times - damn i miss that guy, what's he up to these days? google's not saying much.

funky house sceptics, let me draw your attention to this

oh and the tracklisting for that is here.

hey 'blanka' is (was) really good! totally captures the sadness of a electrified green monster entering a fighting tournament for no particular reason.

today's psuedo-hollertronic wankers really need reminding of what original 'tropical' was before they take its name in vain imo.

^^bless

(that tracklisting is great ('mr. seduction' <3))

just remembered 'as in' i was on a 2007/8 revival (liberty, twiss, bloodclaart, tell me, etc.) and thought about some stuff circa that time that i never quite got to listen properly.

"today's psuedo-hollertronic wankers really need reminding of what original 'tropical' was before they take its name in vain imo."

^^agree & 'tropical' = bbk's best release ever

Hey r|t|c, in your tracklist for the 2nd September Marcus show, is there another track squeezed in after Doc Daneeka's remix of "Fatherless"? The one that goes "bamp ba da bam di dam ba da dum ba!" and has the urgent rising synth squeals? Some vague and unreliable memory suggests to me that it might be Seiji?!?

I care way too much about this sort of thing obv.

tim, do you mean the seiji remix of havana cultura?

I don't know, does that sound like that? It's a very hectic tune, kinda the "Rass Out" of 2010.

yeah that's definitely the havana cultura remix (which you can stream/download here fyi) but i don't hear it right after the daneeka there, only seven minutes or so later on?

(also my tracklist was for the 8th sept not the 2nd - but surely that was just a typo.)

ur right, it is pretty 'rass out'-ish. my fave memory of it is from the 7th july set (i think? the week after the first all-instrumentals show anyway) when shantie manages to weave his "one: lyrical masters degree, two: lyrical gcse" etc bars perfectly in between those rising synth squeals and finishes dead on the drop. so much hype!

yeah there it is, round the half hour mark, 7th july.

unhealthy obsessions...

http://www.seiji.co.uk/remixes/26/chekere-seiji-rerub-gilles-peterson-havana-cultura

oh wait this is the link you want

Ah maybe I misread your 8 Sept tracklist - trying to load the whole thread crashed my computer when I tried to double-check before posting above.

Yeah that's the tune. Banger.

Loved Shantie on top of the Americano Refix last week, he managed to ride the drop perfectly twice in a row (at the 45 min mark). Speaking of, does Shantie's omnipresence on Marcus' show mean he's left The Last Supper? Or is he moonlighting?

i'd assumed he was moonlighting yeah.. haven't listened to enough live fm to work out if he has any particular allegiance there. i did manage to remember to tune into last supper for the first time on saturday but turns out they werent even on - dunno if that has anything to with it....

has anyone found out who did the americano refix btw? (much less find an instrumental mp3). what with all that clicking, whirring and till-ringing and absurb carnivalesque i can't help but be reminded of 'rat race'/'salt beef' era danny weed...

Thought it was actually Maxwell D that did it? The web-based attributions are vague but they never suggest anyone else has been involved.

Also LOL at the "It's A London Thing" "Refix" at the end of the 22 September Marcus show - I'll have to listen to the original to confirm but from memory I couldn't spot what was any different.