shocked at noodle vague picking the most reactionary Carry On!
They're all pretty reactionary :) Convenience just shows it more clearly cos of the contemporary setting, which is one of the reasons I love it + more or less ideal Carry On cast + hugely moving & nostalgic portrayal of a chunk of working class life that's more or less dead dead dead + genuinely sweet unrequited love story between Sid and Joan Sims.
― Eejit Piaf (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 06:46 (2 years ago) Permalink
It seems like insanity to put up Ambersons on these lists to me. The ending is atrocious.
― a cankle of rads (Gukbe), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 15:49 (2 years ago) Permalink
Well, it's not Welles' ending at least.
― Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 15:52 (2 years ago) Permalink
besides, lots of the finished films on this list have more problems than Ambersons.
Fires on the Plain
watched it yesterday - great stuff!
― Zeno, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 15:56 (2 years ago) Permalink
It's a shame that it got butchered and the studio changed the ending, but it's still the film we've got. xpost
― a cankle of rads (Gukbe), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 15:56 (2 years ago) Permalink
Tim Holt is about the least interesting lead actor in a Welles film 'cept maybe the Mr Arkadin guy
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 16:08 (2 years ago) Permalink
I know that Holt's performance is generally considered a major flaw, but I always found him oddly effective. His tentativeness and awkwardness, like he never quite seems to know what's going on around him, fits George Minifer.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 16:53 (2 years ago) Permalink
so he's Kim Novak Amberson
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 17:09 (2 years ago) Permalink
Which is preferable to Ruth Gordon Anderson.
― When Redd Turns To Blecch (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 17:16 (2 years ago) Permalink
― a cankle of rads (Gukbe), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 16:49 (2 hours ago)
don't watch the ending then
― Chinedu "Edu" Obasi Ogbuke (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 17:54 (2 years ago) Permalink
perhaps that's the best approach.
― a cankle of rads (Gukbe), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 18:16 (2 years ago) Permalink
i think most fans (me included) sorta mentally tune out the ending.
― ryan, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 17:58 (2 years ago) Permalink
my boring, pedestrian list:
VertigoLolitaMulholland DriveAlienLove and DeathManhattanTaxi DriverAll About EveFantasiaRosemary's Baby
― Darin, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 19:49 (2 years ago) Permalink
Lolita
Which verzh?
― Eejit Piaf (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 19:50 (2 years ago) Permalink
Kubrick - I forgot about the other one
― Darin, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 19:51 (2 years ago) Permalink
I was joking.
― Eejit Piaf (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 19:52 (2 years ago) Permalink
straight down the lyne
― Chinedu "Edu" Obasi Ogbuke (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 19:53 (2 years ago) Permalink
ha! xp
― Darin, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 19:54 (2 years ago) Permalink
My take on the two Lolitas:
Swain > LyonWinters > GriffithIrons = Mason
(Don't really remember Langella's perf in the '97 version, so can't compare him to Sellers.)
― jaymc, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 19:58 (2 years ago) Permalink
Kubrick >>>>>>1 Billion>>>>>>> LyneNabokov >>>>>>>>> Infinite >>>>>>>>> Schiff
― Eejit Piaf (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 20:12 (2 years ago) Permalink
my take on jaymc
you = fucking crazy dude
― balls, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 23:39 (2 years ago) Permalink
About a year away now I think. It's a little sad how excited I am for this.
― third-generation stripper (Eric H.), Sunday, 7 August 2011 18:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
"this" = Vertigo finally overtaking Kane
― third-generation stripper (Eric H.), Sunday, 7 August 2011 18:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
you think so? i remember last time there was so few films from 1975 to 2002 that they had a separate poll, which Apocalypse Now won. Will be interesting to see if that's any different this time.
― ryan, Sunday, 7 August 2011 19:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
I don't remember that--are you sure it was S&S, and if so, do you have a link for it online?
― clemenza, Sunday, 7 August 2011 19:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
I remember that (and being glad something other than Raging Bull won).
― third-generation stripper (Eric H.), Sunday, 7 August 2011 19:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
about the the 1975-2002 poll? yes here's the link: http://www.bfi.org.uk/sightandsound/feature/63
― ryan, Sunday, 7 August 2011 19:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
oh it says "last 25 years" so i guess it was 77 to 02
― ryan, Sunday, 7 August 2011 19:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
tbh almost none of those films deserve to be in the overall top 10, Do the Right Thing excepted
― third-generation stripper (Eric H.), Sunday, 7 August 2011 19:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
id consider Yi Yi and Apocalypse Now
― ryan, Sunday, 7 August 2011 19:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
though i haven't seen A Brighter Summer Day so maybe that's a more worthy Yang
― ryan, Sunday, 7 August 2011 19:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
Thanks--I have the issue, so I guess I forgot about that. Not sure what to say about the list, other than I can think of many films I'd rather see on there instead (including a documentary or two).
― clemenza, Sunday, 7 August 2011 19:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
looking beyond the 2002 top ten is interesting: http://www.bfi.org.uk/sightandsound/polls/topten/poll/critics-long.html
I predict: the likes of Antonioni, Dreyer, Bresson, Mizoguchi will (sadly) fall, if not drop off entirely. I expect some recent US auteurs, like prob PT Anderson or Fincher, will place pretty high. I think a Malick movie will place in top 50 (Days of Heaven?).
― ryan, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 22:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
malick probably a lock. be interesting to see where TWBB ends up... maybe nowhere. think zodiac has developed a following.
― full on... mask hysteria (history mayne), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 22:35 (1 year ago) Permalink
i would be very happy if Zodiac made it (i'd put it on my imaginary ballot). TWBB will make it, unless there's a better "American movie of the last 10 years"--no others that have a considerable following spring to mind.
― ryan, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 22:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
'role models'
― full on... mask hysteria (history mayne), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 22:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
a lot of bloggers involved in this?
― Gukbe, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 22:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
i do fear that a lot of critics who have risen to prominence in the last 10 years (the type to write about "cultural vegetables") are gonna get ballots for this.
― ryan, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 22:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
i doubt it. i don't think there are many bloggers with profile who aren't also published somewhere tho. obvi 'profile' is doing a lot of work there.
is this really a big worry? i could name a bunch of young critics i dislike, but can't say the 1990s appear as any kind of lost eden.
― full on... mask hysteria (history mayne), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 22:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
xpost
― full on... mask hysteria (history mayne), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 22:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
I thought Kois was pretty roundly beaten by his fellow critics for that. xxpost
― Gukbe, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 22:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
you're probably right (the 90s is largely pre-cinephilia for me).
now im actually curious as to how they decide who gets a ballot.
― ryan, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 22:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
I think I'd be more interested in a list by the Vishnivetesky's of the world than one dominated by the Lemire's.
― Gukbe, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 22:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
imo it should be, should be, p interesting coz dvd and rapidshare have 'changed everything' to an extent
apart from the scrap with ayo scott and manohla dargis, tbh i had never heard of dan kois, idk if he'll make the cut
― full on... mask hysteria (history mayne), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 22:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
ditto at eric at being really excited about this - have you been reading the essays agitating on behalf of other contenders? i made it to the cinema to catch vertigo, which i hadn't seen for years, didn't remember so well & couldn't judge, partly compelled by being able to then read the recent piece. l'avventura next, i guess. (& vertigo was terrific, obviously - it's sort of an interesting companion piece to kane itself, in a way, given they're both such all rounders. the colour pops, too).
i don't especially have predictions re: 2012 but i'd sorta be surprised to see bresson fall markedly?, maybe that's just me ..? i don't know whether that's floated as some sort of recognition of his sensibility not totally being in vogue right now, but i would've thought he'd be a lock amongst the kind of voters s&s is polling (which itself is usually a p interesting list ...), he's as clear a 'the best at that kind of thing' field leader as any of the others i can think of.
― bruce actual springsteen (schlump), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 22:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
i was gonna predict something like "20 criterion titles in the top 50" but thought better of it.
― ryan, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 22:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah this is v true. i wonder whether there are cinemas that would've still been too present to be safe bets in the last round, also - thinking of like kiarostami's films in the years prior, etc.
― bruce actual springsteen (schlump), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 22:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
That honestly isn't off the mark. Criterion releases reinsert films into the present consciousness, especially the ones whose remastering has included a theatrical rerelease (that usually bring along critical write-ups). xpost
― Gukbe, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 23:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
Yi YiFanny and Alexander7 Up Series (Apted)Duck SoupTreasure of the Sierra MadreMcCabe and Mrs. MillerJules et Jimsomething by Powell and Pressburger or Pasolini or Louis MalleRebeccaPinocchio
― smells like PENGUINS (remy bean), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 23:01 (1 year ago) Permalink