No way, First Wives Club was way better than Jade Scorpion.
― Eric H., Monday, 13 September 2010 03:29 (2 years ago) Permalink
Love that we've had Air Bud, Naked Gun 2 1/2 and actual porn on ballots and it's Showgirls that gets called out.
Other MGM musicals are deeper.
How does this matter?
― Eric H., Sunday
grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Monday, 13 September 2010 11:45 (2 years ago) Permalink
bcuz deeper films are better, Mr. The Fury
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Monday, 13 September 2010 11:46 (2 years ago) Permalink
Love that we've had Air Bud, Naked Gun 2 1/2 and actual porn on ballots and it's Showgirls that gets called out
But is that because it's any better, or because they're all equivalent?
― k¸ (darraghmac), Monday, 13 September 2010 11:46 (2 years ago) Permalink
Showgirls is deeper.
― Eejit Piaf (Noodle Vague), Monday, 13 September 2010 12:57 (2 years ago) Permalink
Go deeper into Showgirls.
― Eric H., Monday, 13 September 2010 13:00 (2 years ago) Permalink
Also, I'm pretty tired of hearing how The Band Wagon is somehow deeper than Singin' in the Rain. The reason I like The Band Wagon is that it ends with the admission that it's all about the show, g-d it.
― Eric H., Monday, 13 September 2010 13:01 (2 years ago) Permalink
morbs, diff strokes and all that, but the funny thing is, Suspiria sorta has more in common w a musical than it does trad narrative cinema - its all about colour, light, stylised movement, and the interrelationship btween image and soundtrack, imho - its like the Red Shoes w added blud! The Shining also is an incredibly CHOREOGRAPHED film
― Ward Fowler, Monday, 13 September 2010 13:05 (2 years ago) Permalink
'Showgirls is deeper' is verging on some non sequitur truthbomb fundamental meaning shit
― k¸ (darraghmac), Monday, 13 September 2010 13:16 (2 years ago) Permalink
tbh it wasn't really a joke
― Eejit Piaf (Noodle Vague), Monday, 13 September 2010 13:18 (2 years ago) Permalink
Ward, Morbs has no use for choreogriffany.
― Eric H., Monday, 13 September 2010 13:20 (2 years ago) Permalink
I was waiting to see how long I could get away with The Naked Gun 2 1/2. Airplane! was Gore Vidal's favorite comedy, so.
― Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 13 September 2010 13:22 (2 years ago) Permalink
I'm just way more partial to the first Naked Gun. Tho the third one has that great Academy Awards setpiece.
― Eric H., Monday, 13 September 2010 13:33 (2 years ago) Permalink
Thin Red LineThe PassengerL'avventura8 1/2Seven SamuraiStalkerVertigoMagnificent AmbersonsAu Hasard BalthazarTokyo Story
― ryan, Monday, 13 September 2010 14:35 (2 years ago) Permalink
Love that Kane is on a grand total of 1 ballots. The ballot with Esteban Buttez: The First Ten Posts on it.
― Eric H., Monday, 13 September 2010 14:42 (2 years ago) Permalink
took Naked Gun 2 1/2 as a troll of every great film comedian ever
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Monday, 13 September 2010 14:54 (2 years ago) Permalink
Kane is in my second 10
― acoleuthic, Monday, 13 September 2010 14:55 (2 years ago) Permalink
Eyes Wide Shut is at least as "choreographed" as The Shining and much less dumb.
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Monday, 13 September 2010 14:57 (2 years ago) Permalink
i haven't seen it, but is the inclusion of showgirls on two lists anything other than challops?
No more than the fucking Godfather.
― C0L1N B..., Monday, 13 September 2010 15:06 (2 years ago) Permalink
^ challops
― k¸ (darraghmac), Monday, 13 September 2010 15:10 (2 years ago) Permalink
Well sure, but The Godfather is some lugubrious garbage, and unless you're Michael Medved, it shouldn't be all that surprising that a lot of people like Paul Verhoeven.
― C0L1N B..., Monday, 13 September 2010 15:28 (2 years ago) Permalink
this is what I came up thinking about for about 5 min
A Woman Under The Influence2001: A Space OdysseyPersonaAguirre: The Wrath of GodLe MéprisMulholland DrAndrei RublevThere Will Be BloodTokyo StoryBlade Runner
― peter in montreal, Monday, 13 September 2010 15:34 (2 years ago) Permalink
oh shit- blade runner definitely gets in for me, prob at expense of serpico
― k¸ (darraghmac), Monday, 13 September 2010 15:36 (2 years ago) Permalink
The Godfather is some lugubrious garbage
I think I'm guilty of detouring too many threads into Godfather talk, so we're lettin' that one pass!
― clemenza, Monday, 13 September 2010 15:55 (2 years ago) Permalink
Leave the post. Take the cannoli.
― Shock and Awe High School (Phil D.), Monday, 13 September 2010 16:08 (2 years ago) Permalink
I can understand lots of reasons for not being into the Godfather movies, but being "lugubrious" is the most WTF flown-in-on-a-meteor-from-the-other-side-of-the-galaxy reason I've ever heard.
― Eejit Piaf (Noodle Vague), Monday, 13 September 2010 16:49 (2 years ago) Permalink
it insists upon itself
― The sulky expression from the hilarious "Aubrey Plaza" persona (history mayne), Monday, 13 September 2010 16:49 (2 years ago) Permalink
Toronto's Cinematheque has moved into a new splashy building, and to launch everything they're starting with a series of "essentials" voted on by critics and members. Not sure how it was weighted, but here's the Top 20:
1 THE PASSION OF JOAN OF ARC (Carl Theodor Dreyer)2 CITIZEN KANE (Orson Welles)3 L'AVVENTURA (Michaelangelo Antonioni)4 THE GODFATHER (Francis Ford Coppola)5 PICKPOCKET (Robert Bresson)6 SEVEN SAMURAI (Akira Kurosawa)7 PATHER PANCHALI (Satyajit Ray)8 CASABLANCA (Michael Curtiz)9 MAN WITH A MOVIE CAMERA (Dziga Vertov)10 BICYCLE THIEVES (Vittorio De Sica)11 ALI: FEAR EATS THE SOUL (Rainer Werner Fassbinder)12 8 ½ (Federico Fellini)13 BATTLESHIP POTEMKIN (Sergei Eisenstein)14 RASHOMON (Akira Kurosawa – 2)15 TOKYO STORY (Yasujiro Ozu)16 THE 400 BLOWS (François Truffaut)17 UGETSU (Kenji Mizoguchi)18 BREATHLESS (Jean-Luc Godard)19 L'ATALANTE (Jean Vigo)20 CINEMA PARADISO (Giuseppe Tornatore)
The full 100's here.
I've got tickets for a couple of speakers (which they charge way too much for--$18.75): Michael Murphy's there for Nashville (#71), and Bogdonavich is introducing Citizen Kane (also The Searchers at #41).
― clemenza, Monday, 13 September 2010 16:51 (2 years ago) Permalink
Could this portend De Sica's triumphant return to S&S's top 10?
... no.
― Eric H., Monday, 13 September 2010 16:52 (2 years ago) Permalink
Y'know, I love 8 ½ but it's such a ramshackle construction I feel like it's not ever gonna be top 20 material.
― Eejit Piaf (Noodle Vague), Monday, 13 September 2010 16:55 (2 years ago) Permalink
Funny list - mostly critical canon with occasional jarring interjections from the members - Slumdog Millionaire?!
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Monday, 13 September 2010 16:55 (2 years ago) Permalink
Also, Cinemwahahaha Paradlolso
― Eejit Piaf (Noodle Vague), Monday, 13 September 2010 16:56 (2 years ago) Permalink
think the list is fine and 'representative' but
11 ALI: FEAR EATS THE SOUL (Rainer Werner Fassbinder)
the eleventh best film of all time? get real.
think filmmakers who make tons of classics are discriminated against. vigo has it easy. wonder if an e-consensus will be built up for powell and pressburger.
― The sulky expression from the hilarious "Aubrey Plaza" persona (history mayne), Monday, 13 September 2010 16:57 (2 years ago) Permalink
No -- it means that ten other films got more mentions.
― Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 13 September 2010 16:59 (2 years ago) Permalink
think filmmakers who make tons of classics are discriminated against.
This. I wonder if it partly accounts for the rise and rise of Vertigo - critics settling on one Hitch they can all get behind but really voting for his body of work. As far as P&P are concerned, ILX seems to be mostly about Canterbury but ILX ain't the outside world, where I'm guessing Red Shoes is probably still the front-runner? You could make a case for at least 5 imo.
― Eejit Piaf (Noodle Vague), Monday, 13 September 2010 17:03 (2 years ago) Permalink
i think 'red shoes' will be 'the one', yup, but 'peeping tom' is a fave of academics and there are plenty of others.
― The sulky expression from the hilarious "Aubrey Plaza" persona (history mayne), Monday, 13 September 2010 17:05 (2 years ago) Permalink
"Peeping Tom" is sans Pressburger tho.
― Eejit Piaf (Noodle Vague), Monday, 13 September 2010 17:07 (2 years ago) Permalink
as we're all getting greedy here IS my next 10, again, excluding films I love but which clearly aren't classics
Pierrot Le FouCitizen KaneUgetsu MonogatariF For FakeNorth By NorthwestBringing Up BabySpirited AwayThe White RibbonDiary Of A Country PriestThe Phantom Of Liberty
should I watch Peeping Tom tonight y/n
― acoleuthic, Monday, 13 September 2010 17:10 (2 years ago) Permalink
Y
― Eejit Piaf (Noodle Vague), Monday, 13 September 2010 17:11 (2 years ago) Permalink
YES.
― emil.y, Monday, 13 September 2010 17:11 (2 years ago) Permalink
P&P support in S&S '02 was just all over the place!
― Eric H., Monday, 13 September 2010 17:12 (2 years ago) Permalink
oh okok cool gotcha
had it lying around for months - I'm really bad at watching movies on my own
― acoleuthic, Monday, 13 September 2010 17:12 (2 years ago) Permalink
(By the way, I'm not joining in with this listing malarky as I can't separate my favourites from 'objectively best ever'. If that is indeed what we're supposed to be doing.)
― emil.y, Monday, 13 September 2010 17:13 (2 years ago) Permalink
I never try and figure out whether something is "objectively best".
― Eejit Piaf (Noodle Vague), Monday, 13 September 2010 17:14 (2 years ago) Permalink
I'm basically writing up my favourites but vetting it for stuff I love for its greatness as film as well as its enjoyment, and stuff I'm simply thrilled by - only really Network, Oldboy and Being John Malkovitch have suffered such omission
― acoleuthic, Monday, 13 September 2010 17:15 (2 years ago) Permalink
It's not. It's simply make a S&S ballot, whatever that means to you.
― Eric H., Monday, 13 September 2010 17:18 (2 years ago) Permalink
basically be really rockist :D
― acoleuthic, Monday, 13 September 2010 17:19 (2 years ago) Permalink
The most jarring for me in the Cinematheque Top 20 is Cinema Paradiso. I've never seen it, just assuming (unfairly, and it would seem incorrectly) that it was the kind of feel-good film I avoid, not all that different than The Majestic (which I also haven't seen...) or some American equivalent. The Fassbinder votes seemed odd too: I would have thought Berlin Alexanderplatz, The Merchant of the Four Seasons, Maria Braun, or 13 Moons.
― clemenza, Monday, 13 September 2010 17:25 (2 years ago) Permalink
11 ALI: FEAR EATS THE SOUL (Rainer Werner Fassbinder)the eleventh best film of all time? get real.
Is your hatred of Sirk so strong?
― Eric H., Monday, 13 September 2010 17:26 (2 years ago) Permalink