Pretend you have a ballot for the 2012 edition of Sight & Sound's top 10 movies of all time list

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i know ppl that really love part one and have no use for the sequels and obv 'part two is better than part one' is almost conventional wisdom now, though that's not the same as dismissing part one. i've pretty much always leaned towards two (and if clemenza had been in it it might be a runaway decision), but lately the pulp blockbuster novel roots that show in one and the somewhat unmet higher aspirations toward a higher station in two make me lean toward the first one (plus brando).

balls, Monday, 13 September 2010 03:15 (4 years ago) Permalink

to be fair barely legal 14 and 15 were shot concurrently.

balls, Monday, 13 September 2010 03:16 (4 years ago) Permalink

Well...realistically, there are probably very few candidates for these kinds of polls that present a similar problem. The first two Godfathers might not be unique, but they're close - hello ivan the terrible

balls, Monday, 13 September 2010 03:17 (4 years ago) Permalink

they were cumshot cumcurrentwatly

Eric H., Monday, 13 September 2010 03:17 (4 years ago) Permalink

i haven't seen it, but is the inclusion of showgirls on two lists anything other than challops?

Mordy, Monday, 13 September 2010 03:21 (4 years ago) Permalink

berkely's second best role until curse of the jade scorpion.

balls, Monday, 13 September 2010 03:24 (4 years ago) Permalink

No way, First Wives Club was way better than Jade Scorpion.

Eric H., Monday, 13 September 2010 03:29 (4 years ago) Permalink

Love that we've had Air Bud, Naked Gun 2 1/2 and actual porn on ballots and it's Showgirls that gets called out.

Eric H., Monday, 13 September 2010 03:29 (4 years ago) Permalink

Other MGM musicals are deeper.

How does this matter?

― Eric H., Sunday

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Monday, 13 September 2010 11:45 (4 years ago) Permalink

bcuz deeper films are better, Mr. The Fury

kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Monday, 13 September 2010 11:46 (4 years ago) Permalink

Love that we've had Air Bud, Naked Gun 2 1/2 and actual porn on ballots and it's Showgirls that gets called out

But is that because it's any better, or because they're all equivalent?

k¸ (darraghmac), Monday, 13 September 2010 11:46 (4 years ago) Permalink

Showgirls is deeper.

Eejit Piaf (Noodle Vague), Monday, 13 September 2010 12:57 (4 years ago) Permalink

Go deeper into Showgirls.

Eric H., Monday, 13 September 2010 13:00 (4 years ago) Permalink

Also, I'm pretty tired of hearing how The Band Wagon is somehow deeper than Singin' in the Rain. The reason I like The Band Wagon is that it ends with the admission that it's all about the show, g-d it.

Eric H., Monday, 13 September 2010 13:01 (4 years ago) Permalink

morbs, diff strokes and all that, but the funny thing is, Suspiria sorta has more in common w a musical than it does trad narrative cinema - its all about colour, light, stylised movement, and the interrelationship btween image and soundtrack, imho - its like the Red Shoes w added blud! The Shining also is an incredibly CHOREOGRAPHED film

Ward Fowler, Monday, 13 September 2010 13:05 (4 years ago) Permalink

'Showgirls is deeper' is verging on some non sequitur truthbomb fundamental meaning shit

k¸ (darraghmac), Monday, 13 September 2010 13:16 (4 years ago) Permalink

tbh it wasn't really a joke

Eejit Piaf (Noodle Vague), Monday, 13 September 2010 13:18 (4 years ago) Permalink

Ward, Morbs has no use for choreogriffany.

Eric H., Monday, 13 September 2010 13:20 (4 years ago) Permalink

I was waiting to see how long I could get away with The Naked Gun 2 1/2. Airplane! was Gore Vidal's favorite comedy, so.

Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 13 September 2010 13:22 (4 years ago) Permalink

I'm just way more partial to the first Naked Gun. Tho the third one has that great Academy Awards setpiece.

Eric H., Monday, 13 September 2010 13:33 (4 years ago) Permalink

Thin Red Line
The Passenger
L'avventura
8 1/2
Seven Samurai
Stalker
Vertigo
Magnificent Ambersons
Au Hasard Balthazar
Tokyo Story

ryan, Monday, 13 September 2010 14:35 (4 years ago) Permalink

Love that Kane is on a grand total of 1 ballots. The ballot with Esteban Buttez: The First Ten Posts on it.

Eric H., Monday, 13 September 2010 14:42 (4 years ago) Permalink

took Naked Gun 2 1/2 as a troll of every great film comedian ever

kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Monday, 13 September 2010 14:54 (4 years ago) Permalink

Kane is in my second 10

acoleuthic, Monday, 13 September 2010 14:55 (4 years ago) Permalink

Eyes Wide Shut is at least as "choreographed" as The Shining and much less dumb.

kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Monday, 13 September 2010 14:57 (4 years ago) Permalink

i haven't seen it, but is the inclusion of showgirls on two lists anything other than challops?

No more than the fucking Godfather.

C0L1N B..., Monday, 13 September 2010 15:06 (4 years ago) Permalink

^ challops

k¸ (darraghmac), Monday, 13 September 2010 15:10 (4 years ago) Permalink

Well sure, but The Godfather is some lugubrious garbage, and unless you're Michael Medved, it shouldn't be all that surprising that a lot of people like Paul Verhoeven.

C0L1N B..., Monday, 13 September 2010 15:28 (4 years ago) Permalink

this is what I came up thinking about for about 5 min

A Woman Under The Influence
2001: A Space Odyssey
Persona
Aguirre: The Wrath of God
Le Mépris
Mulholland Dr
Andrei Rublev
There Will Be Blood
Tokyo Story
Blade Runner

peter in montreal, Monday, 13 September 2010 15:34 (4 years ago) Permalink

oh shit- blade runner definitely gets in for me, prob at expense of serpico

k¸ (darraghmac), Monday, 13 September 2010 15:36 (4 years ago) Permalink

The Godfather is some lugubrious garbage

I think I'm guilty of detouring too many threads into Godfather talk, so we're lettin' that one pass!

clemenza, Monday, 13 September 2010 15:55 (4 years ago) Permalink

Leave the post. Take the cannoli.

Shock and Awe High School (Phil D.), Monday, 13 September 2010 16:08 (4 years ago) Permalink

I can understand lots of reasons for not being into the Godfather movies, but being "lugubrious" is the most WTF flown-in-on-a-meteor-from-the-other-side-of-the-galaxy reason I've ever heard.

Eejit Piaf (Noodle Vague), Monday, 13 September 2010 16:49 (4 years ago) Permalink

it insists upon itself

The sulky expression from the hilarious "Aubrey Plaza" persona (history mayne), Monday, 13 September 2010 16:49 (4 years ago) Permalink

Toronto's Cinematheque has moved into a new splashy building, and to launch everything they're starting with a series of "essentials" voted on by critics and members. Not sure how it was weighted, but here's the Top 20:

1 THE PASSION OF JOAN OF ARC (Carl Theodor Dreyer)
2 CITIZEN KANE (Orson Welles)
3 L'AVVENTURA (Michaelangelo Antonioni)
4 THE GODFATHER (Francis Ford Coppola)
5 PICKPOCKET (Robert Bresson)
6 SEVEN SAMURAI (Akira Kurosawa)
7 PATHER PANCHALI (Satyajit Ray)
8 CASABLANCA (Michael Curtiz)
9 MAN WITH A MOVIE CAMERA (Dziga Vertov)
10 BICYCLE THIEVES (Vittorio De Sica)
11 ALI: FEAR EATS THE SOUL (Rainer Werner Fassbinder)
12 8 ½ (Federico Fellini)
13 BATTLESHIP POTEMKIN (Sergei Eisenstein)
14 RASHOMON (Akira Kurosawa – 2)
15 TOKYO STORY (Yasujiro Ozu)
16 THE 400 BLOWS (François Truffaut)
17 UGETSU (Kenji Mizoguchi)
18 BREATHLESS (Jean-Luc Godard)
19 L'ATALANTE (Jean Vigo)
20 CINEMA PARADISO (Giuseppe Tornatore)

The full 100's here.

I've got tickets for a couple of speakers (which they charge way too much for--$18.75): Michael Murphy's there for Nashville (#71), and Bogdonavich is introducing Citizen Kane (also The Searchers at #41).

clemenza, Monday, 13 September 2010 16:51 (4 years ago) Permalink

Could this portend De Sica's triumphant return to S&S's top 10?

... no.

Eric H., Monday, 13 September 2010 16:52 (4 years ago) Permalink

Y'know, I love 8 ½ but it's such a ramshackle construction I feel like it's not ever gonna be top 20 material.

Eejit Piaf (Noodle Vague), Monday, 13 September 2010 16:55 (4 years ago) Permalink

Funny list - mostly critical canon with occasional jarring interjections from the members - Slumdog Millionaire?!

Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Monday, 13 September 2010 16:55 (4 years ago) Permalink

Also, Cinemwahahaha Paradlolso

Eejit Piaf (Noodle Vague), Monday, 13 September 2010 16:56 (4 years ago) Permalink

think the list is fine and 'representative' but

11 ALI: FEAR EATS THE SOUL (Rainer Werner Fassbinder)

the eleventh best film of all time? get real.

think filmmakers who make tons of classics are discriminated against. vigo has it easy. wonder if an e-consensus will be built up for powell and pressburger.

The sulky expression from the hilarious "Aubrey Plaza" persona (history mayne), Monday, 13 September 2010 16:57 (4 years ago) Permalink

the eleventh best film of all time? get real.

No -- it means that ten other films got more mentions.

Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 13 September 2010 16:59 (4 years ago) Permalink

think filmmakers who make tons of classics are discriminated against.

This. I wonder if it partly accounts for the rise and rise of Vertigo - critics settling on one Hitch they can all get behind but really voting for his body of work. As far as P&P are concerned, ILX seems to be mostly about Canterbury but ILX ain't the outside world, where I'm guessing Red Shoes is probably still the front-runner? You could make a case for at least 5 imo.

Eejit Piaf (Noodle Vague), Monday, 13 September 2010 17:03 (4 years ago) Permalink

i think 'red shoes' will be 'the one', yup, but 'peeping tom' is a fave of academics and there are plenty of others.

The sulky expression from the hilarious "Aubrey Plaza" persona (history mayne), Monday, 13 September 2010 17:05 (4 years ago) Permalink

"Peeping Tom" is sans Pressburger tho.

Eejit Piaf (Noodle Vague), Monday, 13 September 2010 17:07 (4 years ago) Permalink

as we're all getting greedy here IS my next 10, again, excluding films I love but which clearly aren't classics

Pierrot Le Fou
Citizen Kane
Ugetsu Monogatari
F For Fake
North By Northwest
Bringing Up Baby
Spirited Away
The White Ribbon
Diary Of A Country Priest
The Phantom Of Liberty

should I watch Peeping Tom tonight y/n

acoleuthic, Monday, 13 September 2010 17:10 (4 years ago) Permalink

Y

Eejit Piaf (Noodle Vague), Monday, 13 September 2010 17:11 (4 years ago) Permalink

YES.

emil.y, Monday, 13 September 2010 17:11 (4 years ago) Permalink

P&P support in S&S '02 was just all over the place!

Eric H., Monday, 13 September 2010 17:12 (4 years ago) Permalink

oh okok cool gotcha

had it lying around for months - I'm really bad at watching movies on my own

acoleuthic, Monday, 13 September 2010 17:12 (4 years ago) Permalink

(By the way, I'm not joining in with this listing malarky as I can't separate my favourites from 'objectively best ever'. If that is indeed what we're supposed to be doing.)

emil.y, Monday, 13 September 2010 17:13 (4 years ago) Permalink


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