Pretend you have a ballot for the 2012 edition of Sight & Sound's top 10 movies of all time list

(meaning "absolutely, it's all about the individual lists for me now")

― Eric H., Sunday, 12 September 2010 17:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

Absolutely, which is why, had I a ballot, I have to assume I'd be way more idiosyncratic and personal about my picks than strategic

Am I reading this wrong, or did you mean the opposite, that you'd be more strategic if you had a ballot? Even if I did have a ballot, I'd just vote for my favorites. The Godfathers would do quite well with or without me, and I don't know that there's anything else from my floating group of 25 where a single vote would make a difference. To impact the results, I'd literally have to start voting for stuff I like rather than love.

― clemenza, Sunday, 12 September 2010 18:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

Okay, now I see--the parentheses explain what you wouldn't do.

― clemenza, Sunday, 12 September 2010 18:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

"The Sigh and Sound poll"--nice Freudian slip about how little the Top 10 changes from decade to decade...

― clemenza, Sunday, 12 September 2010 18:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

what i thought at some point in 2002

if i was voting for reals i'd probably do some dumb mix of love and strategy so let's say

the rules of the game
pierrot le fou
the big sleep
bringing up baby
vivre sa vie
only angels have wings
weekend
red river
breathless
madonna: truth or dare

― balls, Sunday, 12 September 2010 18:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

the red and the white
vertigo
sansho dayu
the magnificient ambersons
andrei rublev
god and the devil in the land of the sun
eureka
dead man
red desert
the shining

― nakhchivan, Sunday, 12 September 2010 18:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

These lists are all really good imo.

― Eric H., Sunday, 12 September 2010 18:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

could see vertigo getting #1 in 2012

― nakhchivan, Sunday, 12 September 2010 18:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

One can fucking hope.

― Eric H., Sunday, 12 September 2010 18:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

tokyo story will be higher too, i guess and hope.

― Zeno, Sunday, 12 September 2010 18:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

These lists are all really good imo.

Yup -- good job, guys.

― Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 12 September 2010 18:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

It's impossible really tho, could easily make another 4 or 5 lists of different films that I love just as much.

― Eejit Piaf (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 12 September 2010 18:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

in terms of influence upon art house cinema in recent years -
vertigo, 8.5 and tokyo story from the latest 2002 list should be the top 3 in 2012.

― Zeno, Sunday, 12 September 2010 18:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

These lists are all really good imo.
― Eric H., Sunday, September 12, 2010 6:34 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

thanks, crank is A+++ heavily dialectical stuff it's troo

― post below to show ur support for I love football separatism (cozen), Sunday, 12 September 2010 18:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

8-1/2 (8.5!) has been much bigger with directors than critics the last two polls. That's one film that goes right past me. I tried again this summer, at least the fifth or sixth time since I first saw it 30 years ago. Fellini in general loses me. The ending of La Dolce Vita is nice. (He did inspire one of my favorite SCTV parodies.)

― clemenza, Sunday, 12 September 2010 18:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

hugely influential in the doing-amy-smart-in-public movement xpost

― a cankle of rads (Gukbe), Sunday, 12 September 2010 18:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

8-1/2 (8.5!) has been much bigger with directors than critics the last two polls

The directors poll was a bad idea. They should've had a cinematographers' poll instead.

― Eric H., Sunday, 12 September 2010 18:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

That'd be a good idea too, but I've loved scanning the director lists. (And regret it when there's no list from certain people.) Weirdest juxtaposition I remember from 2002: Tarantino picking They All Laughed.

― clemenza, Sunday, 12 September 2010 19:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

the top films in 2012 will have very few votes apiece.

basically the founding fathers (in 1952 and 1962... there was actually a bit of a straw poll in 1941-2 that no-one ever mentions, not on the same scale but illuminating) relied on memory above all; the 1972 and 1982 guys had a more solid repertory culture to work with (and television); the 1992 and 2002 voters had video, and, just about dvd.

but since then the amount available has been insane.

― The sulky expression from the hilarious "Aubrey Plaza" persona (history mayne), Sunday, 12 September 2010 19:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

also see: S. Reynolds on best of 2000s polls

― a cankle of rads (Gukbe), Sunday, 12 September 2010 19:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

I mean, I guess it's not weird in that Bogdonavich was a critic and an auteurist, and Tarantino sort of comes out of that tradition, but I don't remember a lot of blood, AK-47s, or ruminations on Madonna and big dicks in They All Laughed.

― clemenza, Sunday, 12 September 2010 19:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think the proliferation of availability has, if anything, been shown to stodgen up the canon.

― Eric H., Sunday, 12 September 2010 19:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

i dunno. we'll see. i'd say that 'tokyo story' is no longer a lock now that more ozu is available. personally im interested in how avant-garde/underground cinema fits in; can't remember if there are rules about run-time, etc. ditto documentary, really.

― The sulky expression from the hilarious "Aubrey Plaza" persona (history mayne), Sunday, 12 September 2010 19:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

Women in Revolt

thank you! i think this would quite possibly make my top ten too.

― jed_, Sunday, 12 September 2010 19:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

"-1/2 (8.5!) has been much bigger with directors than critics the last two polls. That's one film that goes right past me"

just watched it again (3rd time i think) a week ago.

even if you don't like it, you got to be at least impressed by Fellini's ability of controlling frame-space and mise en scene

― Zeno, Sunday, 12 September 2010 19:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, Ozu could fall victim to Buñuel syndrome (too much, too good, too similar).

― Eric H., Sunday, 12 September 2010 19:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

Difficult to say with these lists whether you're voting for your favourites or the most "important", i.e. someone else's favourites...anyway, these are probably the 10 films I like to watch the most

Carnival Of Souls
Kwaidan
The Seventh Seal
The Third Man
Spirited Away
Tetsuo : The Iron Man
A Canterbury Tale
This Is Spinal Tap
The Thing
2001 : A Space Odyssey

― the same relation to machines as that which machines have to man (Matt #2), Sunday, 12 September 2010 19:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

clemenza tarantino had the proposal as one of his best movies for last year (and shame on me for watching it as a result).

― balls, Sunday, 12 September 2010 19:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

Ugetsu Monogatari (Japan, 1953)
Inauguration of the Pleasure Dome (USA, 1954)
Psycho (USA, 1960)
Persona (Sweden, 1966)
Mouchette (France, 1967)
Out 1: Noli me tangere and Out 1: Spectre (France, 1971)
La Maman et la Putain (France, 1973)
Suspiria (Italy, 1976)
Dawn of the Dead (USA, 1978)
The Shining (USA, 1980)

― Ward Fowler, Sunday, 12 September 2010 20:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

really liked your list till i got to Suspiria, and started wtf'ing?

― Zeno, Sunday, 12 September 2010 20:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

Such bright people inexplicably fond of arty, dull horror.

alternate ballot for the crapped-on comedy:

the Chaplin Mutual shorts
You're Darn Tootin' (Laurel & Hardy)
Trouble in Paradise
Duck Soup (Marxes/McCarey)
The Bank Dick
The Miracle of Morgan's Creek
Son of Paleface
Playtime
Female Trouble
A Private Function (Mowbray/Bennett/Palin/Smith)

― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 12 September 2010 20:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

ward fowler and dr morbius' main list are both v good

― nakhchivan, Sunday, 12 September 2010 20:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

well, they are dull.

― Zeno, Sunday, 12 September 2010 20:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

absolutely haven't seen enough films to do a list like this

― acoleuthic, Sunday, 12 September 2010 20:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

DUDE YOU ONLY NEED TO HAVE SEEN 10

― Eejit Piaf (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 12 September 2010 20:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah i haven't seen that many films, my concentration levels are usually pretty bad. films i didn't bothering watching til the end even tho i actually liked in most instances could easily be an entrant here.

the godfather part II
funeral parade of roses
satantango
short cuts
pickup on south street
hiroshima mon amour
flowers of shanghai
the exterminating angel
f for fake
a canterbury tale

― nakhchivan, Sunday, 12 September 2010 20:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

for shame

― Eejit Piaf (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 12 September 2010 20:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

ok fine but bear in mind my list in a year's time will be RADICALLY different

also I'm discounting films like Network and w/e because it's basically not one of the 10 greatest films ever, even if it is chemically-engineered to make me slaver

That Obscure Object Of Desire
La Ronde
Alphaville
Mulholland Dr
Rear Window
The Rules Of The Game
The Discreet Charm Of The Bourgeoise
The Exterminating Angel
The Conformist
Night Of The Hunter

^^^boring

Would watch movies with Zeno and balls tbh

oh lol @ nakh NOT FINISHING The Exterminating Angel

― acoleuthic, Sunday, 12 September 2010 20:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

also F for Fake is in my next 10 (as are Ugetsu Monogatari and Pierrot Le Fou of stuff already named)

― acoleuthic, Sunday, 12 September 2010 20:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

was more sad at him not finishing Canterbury Tale tbh

― Eejit Piaf (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 12 September 2010 20:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

awful confession of my own: fell asleep during His Girl Friday

I was tired ok

― acoleuthic, Sunday, 12 September 2010 20:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

for shame

― Eejit Piaf (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 12 September 2010 21:42 (40 seconds ago)

yeah but u probably grew up in the olden days when there were trams and tea clippers and patience was necessarily more ecouraged

also i can watch those films any time if i can actually pay attention

― nakhchivan, Sunday, 12 September 2010 20:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

I am interested in the beauty and therapeutic value of "boredom", this is true.

― Eejit Piaf (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 12 September 2010 20:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

the godfather part II -- dude really?
funeral parade of roses -- had to google this
satantango -- not my kind of thing
short cuts -- it's ok
pickup on south street -- it's ok but not a big deal
hiroshima mon amour -- dude really?
flowers of shanghai -- yeah... not easy
the exterminating angel -- i like it well enough
f for fake -- (sheepish) not seen
a canterbury tale -- dude really?

― The sulky expression from the hilarious "Aubrey Plaza" persona (history mayne), Sunday, 12 September 2010 20:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah i mean i love a lot of rly long/boring films if i can actally concentrate, tho on another day i can't even finish a samuel fuller film (and i love samuel fuller films)

it's not like living in a provincial town in the 70s and waiting years for a mizoguchi retrospective, you can watch dvd/blurays whenever

― nakhchivan, Sunday, 12 September 2010 20:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

pre-1930

Intolerance
The Passion of Joan of Arc
The Navigator
Nosferatu
Greed
Easy Street
The Last Laugh
Safety Last
Mikael
Cops

― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 12 September 2010 20:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

hiroshima mon amour -- dude really?

no shame in that being in a top 10

― a cankle of rads (Gukbe), Sunday, 12 September 2010 20:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

don't see how zeno's list is any more exciting than morbs' or ward f's

― post below to show ur support for I love football separatism (cozen), Sunday, 12 September 2010 20:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think the "dull" comment was in re: Morbs's snipe at horror flicks

― Eejit Piaf (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 12 September 2010 20:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

ah I see, apols

― post below to show ur support for I love football separatism (cozen), Sunday, 12 September 2010 20:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

nice list from ferrara, possible exception for russell idk

Cul-de-Sac 1966 Roman Polanski
Devils, The 1971 Ken Russell
Hawks and Sparrows 1966 Pier Paolo Pasolini
Prison 1949 Ingmar Bergman
Lolita 1961 Stanley Kubrick
Los Olvidados 1950 Luis Buñuel
Ran 1985 Akira Kurosawa
Touch of Evil 1958 Orson Welles
Woman Under the Influence, A 1974 John Cassavetes
Zero de Conduite 1933 Jean Vigo

― A.R.R.Y. Kane (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 18 September 2012 18:03 (8 months ago) Permalink

ZDC is vigo's best film

― A.R.R.Y. Kane (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 18 September 2012 18:03 (8 months ago) Permalink

http://www.bfi.org.uk/news/reviewing-greatest-films-all-time

― Ham Lushbaugh (Eric H.), Tuesday, 18 September 2012 20:01 (8 months ago) Permalink

Bump mostly predicated on the fact that the S&S issue finally hit US newsstands. Apparently the downtown B&N here got 8 copies and, by the time I got there, only 2 were left.

― Ham Lushbaugh (Eric H.), Tuesday, 18 September 2012 20:53 (8 months ago) Permalink

Bought one a few days ago. As someone who doesn't buy magazines at all, $13 was eye-opening.

― clemenza, Tuesday, 18 September 2012 21:32 (8 months ago) Permalink

$10 here. Think 2002 ed. was $8.

― Ham Lushbaugh (Eric H.), Tuesday, 18 September 2012 22:07 (8 months ago) Permalink

Finally, a way to slice the pie in Bunuel's favor:

― Ham Lushbaugh (Eric H.), Wednesday, 19 September 2012 17:27 (8 months ago) Permalink

Which Straub-Huillet should I watch first?

― pun lovin criminal (polyphonic), Wednesday, 19 September 2012 17:32 (8 months ago) Permalink

Anna Magdalena Bach.

― moullet, Wednesday, 19 September 2012 17:50 (8 months ago) Permalink

discussion in which Dan Callahan takes up the "where is comedy and/or Hawks" cry.

http://www.bfi.org.uk/news/reviewing-greatest-films-all-time-part-two-back-future-poll

― kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 27 September 2012 21:03 (7 months ago) Permalink

welp done til '22 then

― kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Friday, 28 September 2012 17:47 (7 months ago) Permalink