Five Easy Pieces, Taxi Driver, Rushmore, and Rear Window are all part of that revolving-door group of films that go onto and drop off my Top 10. (McCabe & Mrs. Miller also, to a certain extent, although there are three other Altmans ahead of it.) I'm very happy to see Zodiac on someone else's list, but I'd be very surprised if it gets a single vote in 2012.
― clemenza, Sunday, 12 September 2010 17:03 (2 years ago) Permalink
Sans soleilShowgirlsDo the Right ThingDressed to KillUn chant d'amourInland EmpireWomen in RevoltMake Way for TomorrowThe Rules of the GameSatantango
― Eric H., Sunday, 12 September 2010 17:13 (2 years ago) Permalink
Obv, I want to see Rules of the Game ascend back into its place position, after showing in '02.
Night of the HunterTouch of EvilHarold and MaudeNosferatuPsychoThe Royal TenebaumsPattonDr. StrangeloveNatural Born KillersVideodrome
― Mr. John "Manalishi" Abbott (Viceroy), Sunday, 12 September 2010 17:19 (2 years ago) Permalink
finished tied for 4th in the voice's best of decade poll so i could imagine it getting a vote though yeah no way it's hitting the top ten. re: purposes of poll, along w/ of course the intense and unexplained rage and resentment i feel towards the british film institute apparently, i think these kind of polls can have a certain usefulness as a taking stock of criticial cw, tracking of cw over the years (bicycle thieves was #1 in the first poll and hasn't appeared in the top ten in decades), but most esp as establishing as a sort of guide to adolescents just picking up a love for film - 'seek out and familiarize yrself w/ these movies'. the first time i watched the rules of the game i know it was because of the sight and sound poll. caring a very great deal about the sight and sound poll, giving it a LOT of weight when you're 14 = understandable, maybe something to be encouraged. caring a very great deal about the sigh and sound poll, giving it a LOT of weight when you're an adult = being the filmnerd version of the type of person who freaks out for days that 'gold soundz' won the pfork poll, unbecoming. when you're an adult the individual ballots are where the fun is (there isn't a list here that's not gonna be more interesting than the actual top ten), when you're an adolescent the main poll is what matters.
― balls, Sunday, 12 September 2010 17:50 (2 years ago) Permalink
dur xpost
Absolutely, which is why, had I a ballot, I have to assume I'd be way more idiosyncratic and personal about my picks than strategic (i.e. putting Rules of the Game on my ballot and snubbing Citizen Kane, Vertigo and Potemkin in order to hopefully push the Renoir up in the rankings).
― Eric H., Sunday, 12 September 2010 17:54 (2 years ago) Permalink
(meaning "absolutely, it's all about the individual lists for me now")
Absolutely, which is why, had I a ballot, I have to assume I'd be way more idiosyncratic and personal about my picks than strategic
Am I reading this wrong, or did you mean the opposite, that you'd be more strategic if you had a ballot? Even if I did have a ballot, I'd just vote for my favorites. The Godfathers would do quite well with or without me, and I don't know that there's anything else from my floating group of 25 where a single vote would make a difference. To impact the results, I'd literally have to start voting for stuff I like rather than love.
― clemenza, Sunday, 12 September 2010 18:00 (2 years ago) Permalink
Okay, now I see--the parentheses explain what you wouldn't do.
― clemenza, Sunday, 12 September 2010 18:02 (2 years ago) Permalink
"The Sigh and Sound poll"--nice Freudian slip about how little the Top 10 changes from decade to decade...
― clemenza, Sunday, 12 September 2010 18:03 (2 years ago) Permalink
what i thought at some point in 2002
if i was voting for reals i'd probably do some dumb mix of love and strategy so let's say
the rules of the gamepierrot le fouthe big sleepbringing up babyvivre sa vieonly angels have wingsweekendred riverbreathlessmadonna: truth or dare
― balls, Sunday, 12 September 2010 18:27 (2 years ago) Permalink
the red and the whitevertigosansho dayuthe magnificient ambersonsandrei rublevgod and the devil in the land of the suneurekadead manred desertthe shining
― nakhchivan, Sunday, 12 September 2010 18:33 (2 years ago) Permalink
These lists are all really good imo.
― Eric H., Sunday, 12 September 2010 18:34 (2 years ago) Permalink
could see vertigo getting #1 in 2012
― nakhchivan, Sunday, 12 September 2010 18:40 (2 years ago) Permalink
One can fucking hope.
― Eric H., Sunday, 12 September 2010 18:42 (2 years ago) Permalink
tokyo story will be higher too, i guess and hope.
― Zeno, Sunday, 12 September 2010 18:44 (2 years ago) Permalink
Yup -- good job, guys.
― Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 12 September 2010 18:48 (2 years ago) Permalink
It's impossible really tho, could easily make another 4 or 5 lists of different films that I love just as much.
― Eejit Piaf (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 12 September 2010 18:49 (2 years ago) Permalink
in terms of influence upon art house cinema in recent years - vertigo, 8.5 and tokyo story from the latest 2002 list should be the top 3 in 2012.
― Zeno, Sunday, 12 September 2010 18:49 (2 years ago) Permalink
These lists are all really good imo.― Eric H., Sunday, September 12, 2010 6:34 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
thanks, crank is A+++ heavily dialectical stuff it's troo
― post below to show ur support for I love football separatism (cozen), Sunday, 12 September 2010 18:53 (2 years ago) Permalink
8-1/2 (8.5!) has been much bigger with directors than critics the last two polls. That's one film that goes right past me. I tried again this summer, at least the fifth or sixth time since I first saw it 30 years ago. Fellini in general loses me. The ending of La Dolce Vita is nice. (He did inspire one of my favorite SCTV parodies.)
― clemenza, Sunday, 12 September 2010 18:55 (2 years ago) Permalink
hugely influential in the doing-amy-smart-in-public movement xpost
― a cankle of rads (Gukbe), Sunday, 12 September 2010 18:56 (2 years ago) Permalink
8-1/2 (8.5!) has been much bigger with directors than critics the last two polls
The directors poll was a bad idea. They should've had a cinematographers' poll instead.
― Eric H., Sunday, 12 September 2010 18:58 (2 years ago) Permalink
That'd be a good idea too, but I've loved scanning the director lists. (And regret it when there's no list from certain people.) Weirdest juxtaposition I remember from 2002: Tarantino picking They All Laughed.
― clemenza, Sunday, 12 September 2010 19:01 (2 years ago) Permalink
the top films in 2012 will have very few votes apiece.
basically the founding fathers (in 1952 and 1962... there was actually a bit of a straw poll in 1941-2 that no-one ever mentions, not on the same scale but illuminating) relied on memory above all; the 1972 and 1982 guys had a more solid repertory culture to work with (and television); the 1992 and 2002 voters had video, and, just about dvd.
but since then the amount available has been insane.
― The sulky expression from the hilarious "Aubrey Plaza" persona (history mayne), Sunday, 12 September 2010 19:04 (2 years ago) Permalink
also see: S. Reynolds on best of 2000s polls
― a cankle of rads (Gukbe), Sunday, 12 September 2010 19:05 (2 years ago) Permalink
I mean, I guess it's not weird in that Bogdonavich was a critic and an auteurist, and Tarantino sort of comes out of that tradition, but I don't remember a lot of blood, AK-47s, or ruminations on Madonna and big dicks in They All Laughed.
― clemenza, Sunday, 12 September 2010 19:06 (2 years ago) Permalink
I think the proliferation of availability has, if anything, been shown to stodgen up the canon.
― Eric H., Sunday, 12 September 2010 19:10 (2 years ago) Permalink
i dunno. we'll see. i'd say that 'tokyo story' is no longer a lock now that more ozu is available. personally im interested in how avant-garde/underground cinema fits in; can't remember if there are rules about run-time, etc. ditto documentary, really.
― The sulky expression from the hilarious "Aubrey Plaza" persona (history mayne), Sunday, 12 September 2010 19:19 (2 years ago) Permalink
Women in Revolt
thank you! i think this would quite possibly make my top ten too.
― jed_, Sunday, 12 September 2010 19:21 (2 years ago) Permalink
"-1/2 (8.5!) has been much bigger with directors than critics the last two polls. That's one film that goes right past me"
just watched it again (3rd time i think) a week ago.
even if you don't like it, you got to be at least impressed by Fellini's ability of controlling frame-space and mise en scene
― Zeno, Sunday, 12 September 2010 19:25 (2 years ago) Permalink
Yeah, Ozu could fall victim to Buñuel syndrome (too much, too good, too similar).
― Eric H., Sunday, 12 September 2010 19:27 (2 years ago) Permalink
Difficult to say with these lists whether you're voting for your favourites or the most "important", i.e. someone else's favourites...anyway, these are probably the 10 films I like to watch the most
Carnival Of SoulsKwaidanThe Seventh SealThe Third ManSpirited AwayTetsuo : The Iron ManA Canterbury TaleThis Is Spinal TapThe Thing2001 : A Space Odyssey
― the same relation to machines as that which machines have to man (Matt #2), Sunday, 12 September 2010 19:32 (2 years ago) Permalink
clemenza tarantino had the proposal as one of his best movies for last year (and shame on me for watching it as a result).
― balls, Sunday, 12 September 2010 19:33 (2 years ago) Permalink
Ugetsu Monogatari (Japan, 1953)Inauguration of the Pleasure Dome (USA, 1954)Psycho (USA, 1960)Persona (Sweden, 1966)Mouchette (France, 1967)Out 1: Noli me tangere and Out 1: Spectre (France, 1971) La Maman et la Putain (France, 1973)Suspiria (Italy, 1976)Dawn of the Dead (USA, 1978)The Shining (USA, 1980)
― Ward Fowler, Sunday, 12 September 2010 20:08 (2 years ago) Permalink
really liked your list till i got to Suspiria, and started wtf'ing?
― Zeno, Sunday, 12 September 2010 20:16 (2 years ago) Permalink
Such bright people inexplicably fond of arty, dull horror.
alternate ballot for the crapped-on comedy:
the Chaplin Mutual shortsYou're Darn Tootin' (Laurel & Hardy)Trouble in ParadiseDuck Soup (Marxes/McCarey)The Bank DickThe Miracle of Morgan's CreekSon of PalefacePlaytimeFemale TroubleA Private Function (Mowbray/Bennett/Palin/Smith)
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 12 September 2010 20:21 (2 years ago) Permalink
ward fowler and dr morbius' main list are both v good
― nakhchivan, Sunday, 12 September 2010 20:29 (2 years ago) Permalink
well, they are dull.
― Zeno, Sunday, 12 September 2010 20:29 (2 years ago) Permalink
absolutely haven't seen enough films to do a list like this
― acoleuthic, Sunday, 12 September 2010 20:30 (2 years ago) Permalink
DUDE YOU ONLY NEED TO HAVE SEEN 10
― Eejit Piaf (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 12 September 2010 20:31 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah i haven't seen that many films, my concentration levels are usually pretty bad. films i didn't bothering watching til the end even tho i actually liked in most instances could easily be an entrant here.
the godfather part IIfuneral parade of rosessatantangoshort cutspickup on south streethiroshima mon amourflowers of shanghaithe exterminating angelf for fakea canterbury tale
― nakhchivan, Sunday, 12 September 2010 20:42 (2 years ago) Permalink
for shame
― Eejit Piaf (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 12 September 2010 20:42 (2 years ago) Permalink
ok fine but bear in mind my list in a year's time will be RADICALLY different
also I'm discounting films like Network and w/e because it's basically not one of the 10 greatest films ever, even if it is chemically-engineered to make me slaver
That Obscure Object Of Desire La RondeAlphavilleMulholland DrRear WindowThe Rules Of The GameThe Discreet Charm Of The BourgeoiseThe Exterminating AngelThe ConformistNight Of The Hunter
^^^boring
Would watch movies with Zeno and balls tbh
oh lol @ nakh NOT FINISHING The Exterminating Angel
― acoleuthic, Sunday, 12 September 2010 20:43 (2 years ago) Permalink
also F for Fake is in my next 10 (as are Ugetsu Monogatari and Pierrot Le Fou of stuff already named)
― acoleuthic, Sunday, 12 September 2010 20:44 (2 years ago) Permalink
was more sad at him not finishing Canterbury Tale tbh
― Eejit Piaf (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 12 September 2010 20:44 (2 years ago) Permalink
awful confession of my own: fell asleep during His Girl Friday
I was tired ok
― acoleuthic, Sunday, 12 September 2010 20:45 (2 years ago) Permalink
― Eejit Piaf (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 12 September 2010 21:42 (40 seconds ago)
yeah but u probably grew up in the olden days when there were trams and tea clippers and patience was necessarily more ecouraged
also i can watch those films any time if i can actually pay attention
― nakhchivan, Sunday, 12 September 2010 20:46 (2 years ago) Permalink
I am interested in the beauty and therapeutic value of "boredom", this is true.
― Eejit Piaf (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 12 September 2010 20:47 (2 years ago) Permalink
Heaven's Gate (1980 Cimino)Chronik der Anna Magdalena Bach (1968 Straub/Huillet)Streets of Shame (1956 Mizoguchi)Choses secrètes (2002 Brisseau)Traviata '53 (1953 Cottafavi)Donovan's Reef (1963 Ford)Sunrise (1927 Murnau)Outrage (1950 Lupino)Gentleman Jim (1949 Walsh)
― moullet, Saturday, 1 September 2012 04:11 (8 months ago) Permalink
if only Spartacus had been a real Kubrick film
if only The Shining had not
― Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 1 September 2012 04:35 (8 months ago) Permalink
Black God, White Devil 1964 Glauber RochaChimes at Midnight 1966 Orson WellesMamma Roma 1962 Pier Paolo PasoliniNight of the Hunter, The 1955 Charles LaughtonOrdet 1955 Carl Theodor DreyerRussian Ark 2002 Aleksandr SokurovSacrifice, The 1986 Andrei TarkovskySteamboat Bill, Jr. 1928 Buster KeatonTurin Horse, The Béla TarrViridiana 1961 Luis Buñuel
http://explore.bfi.org.uk/sightandsoundpolls/2012/voter/1118
excellent list
one of portabella's own films is on rosenbaum's list
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― jed_, Tuesday, 18 September 2012 17:59 (8 months ago) Permalink
Need NRQ back to start up the 2022 thread.
― Ham Lushbaugh (Eric H.), Tuesday, 18 September 2012 18:01 (8 months ago) Permalink
Saw "L'Atalante" and the rest of Vigo's stuff last week. It's very nice but didn't move much as much as, say, Sunrise, or Boudu. But I admired how much of it was seemingly shot on location. I guess ultimately that's what killed Vigo?
I think I preferred Zero de Conduite to "L'Atalante".
― pun lovin criminal (polyphonic), Tuesday, 18 September 2012 18:01 (8 months ago) Permalink
nice list from ferrara, possible exception for russell idk
Cul-de-Sac 1966 Roman PolanskiDevils, The 1971 Ken RussellHawks and Sparrows 1966 Pier Paolo PasoliniPrison 1949 Ingmar BergmanLolita 1961 Stanley KubrickLos Olvidados 1950 Luis BuñuelRan 1985 Akira KurosawaTouch of Evil 1958 Orson WellesWoman Under the Influence, A 1974 John CassavetesZero de Conduite 1933 Jean Vigo
― A.R.R.Y. Kane (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 18 September 2012 18:03 (8 months ago) Permalink
ZDC is vigo's best film
http://www.bfi.org.uk/news/reviewing-greatest-films-all-time
― Ham Lushbaugh (Eric H.), Tuesday, 18 September 2012 20:01 (8 months ago) Permalink
Bump mostly predicated on the fact that the S&S issue finally hit US newsstands. Apparently the downtown B&N here got 8 copies and, by the time I got there, only 2 were left.
― Ham Lushbaugh (Eric H.), Tuesday, 18 September 2012 20:53 (8 months ago) Permalink
Bought one a few days ago. As someone who doesn't buy magazines at all, $13 was eye-opening.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 18 September 2012 21:32 (8 months ago) Permalink
$10 here. Think 2002 ed. was $8.
― Ham Lushbaugh (Eric H.), Tuesday, 18 September 2012 22:07 (8 months ago) Permalink
Finally, a way to slice the pie in Bunuel's favor:
― Ham Lushbaugh (Eric H.), Wednesday, 19 September 2012 17:27 (8 months ago) Permalink
Which Straub-Huillet should I watch first?
― pun lovin criminal (polyphonic), Wednesday, 19 September 2012 17:32 (8 months ago) Permalink
Anna Magdalena Bach.
― moullet, Wednesday, 19 September 2012 17:50 (8 months ago) Permalink
discussion in which Dan Callahan takes up the "where is comedy and/or Hawks" cry.
http://www.bfi.org.uk/news/reviewing-greatest-films-all-time-part-two-back-future-poll
― kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 27 September 2012 21:03 (7 months ago) Permalink
welp done til '22 then
― kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Friday, 28 September 2012 17:47 (7 months ago) Permalink