Ellen Allien - "Thrills"

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not at least in the 2000-2005 definition of IDM as "kerwhackity-whackity" hip-hop/gabber DSP overdriven fusion. in my obviously all-knowing mind, nothing with a predominant 4/4 signature is really IDM these days (leaving open the question of what may have passed for IDM back in the artificial intelligence days, when it was more of an attitude than a distinct set of sonic/rhythmic characteristics).

philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Thursday, 7 July 2005 21:23 (eighteen years ago) link

I still can't get into it. It just doesn't seem to kick off for me, too bassy maybe? humourless? devoid of pop?

I don't know, it just doesn't do it for me, there's no magic there, it's cold but not cold like stuff I like.

I have tried so many times!

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 7 July 2005 21:24 (eighteen years ago) link


Anybody want to YSI that remixed 12" of hers?

jergins (jergins), Thursday, 7 July 2005 21:32 (eighteen years ago) link

i dunno phil, i think the textures and timbres do have something in common with idm. moreso than the majority of 4/4 electronic being made these days, anyway.

mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 7 July 2005 21:33 (eighteen years ago) link

I kind of agree with mark, plus I feel there is a definite emphasis on craziness/dischord which feels more idm/techno than the predominantly house aesthetic of alot of other German producers at the moment. The anti-pop thing, this is a very unglam serious record.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 7 July 2005 21:51 (eighteen years ago) link

I think Philip is OTM, this isn't really IDM. Adding to his comments, Thrills has an almost stadium size feel to it (in overall sound and in the way the melodies jump out) which is a kind of extroversion most IDM producers shun.

Ronan is right about this being a serious and cold record, and I do agree that can be a turn off for most people. I am, however, fascinated by the mechanical/urban images the tracks create (my Stylus goes in-depth about that.)

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Thursday, 7 July 2005 22:39 (eighteen years ago) link

i will regret putting this out here but...
maybe knowing very little about what its sounded like prior to Ellen etc., i'm mostly going on my own ideas and feelings of how traditional dance music has failed. i thought that idm was meant to deal (atleast partially) with establ. deeper connection between the visceral and mental - which i think she does here - "fascinated by the mechanical/urban images the tracks" - totally, the fact that its danceable is just a natural by-product of her amazing talent to reveal the structure/pulse inherent in such things. i'm amazed by the tracks the mechanical/urban images create. and i know its just amazing descriptive powers and tapping into common denominator of human experience, but it feels so real. -phil this is like last nites conversation...and feel like its still going nowhere/in circles!

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Thursday, 7 July 2005 23:40 (eighteen years ago) link

ok i seriously retract my statement. i really don't want to talk about this! i've decided its best to let the music do this work-which i'll just assume it is.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Thursday, 7 July 2005 23:49 (eighteen years ago) link

That post was great Susan!

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Friday, 8 July 2005 00:03 (eighteen years ago) link

thx man!

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Friday, 8 July 2005 00:14 (eighteen years ago) link

susan every time you post something insightful you temper it with a self-effacing disclaimer! ilm is a pretty gruesome place at the best of times but don't hold out on us ok? your posts have been rad so far.

mark p (Mark P), Friday, 8 July 2005 00:39 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah i know. its acknowledgment that i tend to push things where i want them to go and not always pay attention to reality/facts. i sense its better during these times, to shut up and listen.

but from now on when i get the uncontrollable urge to chime in regardless - i'll just go with it and deal with the fallout. bombs away!

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Friday, 8 July 2005 00:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Susan completely OTM.
There are some moments on the album, especially at the end, where I'm alaways thinking "damn, she is saying so much more with this texture/melody than vocals could ever do".
In a way, it feels very introspective and intimate, always looking inwards or treating the other as a mirror ("your body is my body"), but on the other hand it always sounds steeped in a wider environment, the city, the club, the music.

Baaderonixx le Belge (Fabfunk), Friday, 8 July 2005 06:48 (eighteen years ago) link

I think the album kind of gets off to a slow start. The first track is actually one of the less interesting ones to me. But it picks up as it goes along. I think it contains some of the best work she has yet done. I think it falls somewhere between IDM, dance, and electro-pop - in the unique space that Allien has been exploring for the past few years.

o. nate (onate), Friday, 8 July 2005 14:15 (eighteen years ago) link

No, no, no! Susan is SO OTM w/r/t the post that starts out with her "regrets", in terms of EA finding/channeling the inner pulse of mechanics/urbanism, and I'll add industrialization, post-industrialization, modernism, and maybe even post-modernism to that as well. Ronan finds the album too cold, which I sort of agree with, but I think there is a serious beauty in that. You have to remember that this is an intentionally SERIOUS record, that she's addresing her place in techno, her own identity, how it relates to Berlin, how it relates to Detroit, etc., etc.

All these thematics and locales ARE cold, bleak, stark, etc.

jsoulja (jsoulja), Friday, 8 July 2005 17:39 (eighteen years ago) link

the elegant mechanics of "Come", which i think is far and away the best track, had me wondering last nite if she wasn't somewhat of a virtuoso/modern day master. Last nite i listened on better headphones and was clean blown by the tight/perfect timing and in general the layeredness she achieves without relying on harmonics and in general keeping within the same basic family of sounds and timing --- seemed key to the machine/organic connection she's made. Jsoulja, I agree the coldness is atleast in part due to the subject matter, yet i wonder if maybe she's missed a component as shouldn't this totally engage us?-as much as I'm totally in awe of these tracks, its sorta hard for me to listen to them without over engaging my brain and getting a headache. I feel like ideally I should be able to feel them more. "Washing Machine is Speaking" is a fun track too. I wasn't feeling it at all before.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Sunday, 10 July 2005 22:37 (eighteen years ago) link

FYI::
Tue 09/27/05 New York, NY The Canal Room
Wed 09/28/05 Detroit, MI Oslo
Thu 09/29/05 Chicago, IL Sound Bar
Fri 09/30/05 San Francisco, CA 1015 Folsom
Sat 10/01/05 Hollywood, CA The Avalon (Formerly The Palace)
Sun 10/02/05 Vancouver, BC Richard's On Richards

william (william), Monday, 11 July 2005 17:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Hmm- I guess there IS something missing, but I've yet to identify it. Given the complexity of the issues addressed with this record, it's a bit surprising (albeit refreshing, too) that her sound approach would be so straight-forward and simple. I took a stab up-thread to explain why I think that is, and why I like it, but I'm none-the-less eager to hear some of these tracks remixed. I'm just relieved she pulled the pop elements so obvious to Berlinette- on this record, that would have been missing the plot, and possibly heading down a more commercial road, never to return.

jsoulja (jsoulja), Monday, 11 July 2005 19:53 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh here's a question(s): what tracks on this record would benefit from remixing? And who'd you like to see do it?

I heard the Magma remixes (eh), but Washing Machine comes to mind first, maybe a Rother or Weatherall remix....

jsoulja (jsoulja), Monday, 11 July 2005 19:57 (eighteen years ago) link

she's doing bigger clubs this time around.

i find this album to be very easy to engage with, it is almost like a blank slate. i also find it to be less cold than either of her previous albums. that's probably the arp talking. the tracks sound like they are 120bpm, but they all hover around 128. i wish the tracks were slower actually, but then it might not sound so techno. i think it has a very late night humid vibe to it.

tricky (disco stu), Monday, 11 July 2005 20:02 (eighteen years ago) link

i would like to hear "cloudy city" remixed by anthony rother, wighnomy bros, jay haze, and alex smoke. :)

tricky (disco stu), Monday, 11 July 2005 20:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Jsoulja - i haven't heard the Magma remixes-if you don't mind ysi-ing some. thx. will comment on the other stuff later.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Monday, 11 July 2005 20:16 (eighteen years ago) link

i have'em, susan...

philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Monday, 11 July 2005 21:21 (eighteen years ago) link

oh great, thx!

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Monday, 11 July 2005 21:29 (eighteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
er....i got a ellen allien sonar 2005 mix from that beatfreakx site and it sounds nothing like the sonar 2005 set on her site, its got art of noiseand studff and its a lot more noisy and banging?!?! did she play twice? whast the answer?

ambrose (ambrose), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 19:09 (eighteen years ago) link

she played twice.

one was a quick 20 minute blast at Nitsa (check the Sonar thread) the other (on her site) was a portion of her main floor show, and unusually subdued and minimal-tech-dubby (up to that point, it may have got more interesting later on?).

I've heard better/more exciting sets from her to be honest.

fandango (fandango), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 20:19 (eighteen years ago) link

oh yeah the nitsa one was wicked! i was there but missed her sonar one cos i was in r hawtin. i love the idea of 20 min sets, it was perfect. she came in, fucked the place up, and finished. just like that

ambrose (ambrose), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 20:49 (eighteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
How the fuckity fuck did I miss this??

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/urban/oneworld/professor_ellen.shtml

Guess I'll have to search that one out on 5l5k sometime :(

fandango (fandango), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 13:37 (eighteen years ago) link

The Kiki remix of "Your Body is My Body" is great, adding some more tasty synth melodies.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 04:18 (eighteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
Nice to see that Mixmag can't even be bothered to get her name right on their covermount! Ellen Alien indeed. twats.

fandango (fandango), Friday, 23 September 2005 22:08 (eighteen years ago) link

not to mention the supposed 'sound of Berlin' compilation I saw that repeated the mistake!

Jeez. There are bigger things to get annoyed by in life I know but ffs.

fandango (fandango), Friday, 23 September 2005 22:10 (eighteen years ago) link

is her name pronounced 'alien'? no two people i know pronounce it the same way. alien, ally-en, a-leen...

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 23 September 2005 22:16 (eighteen years ago) link

okay this latest set from earplug (zine? url?) seems fine indeed.

creamfields, andaulcia.


I think she's a fantastic, radical DJ!

fandango (fandango), Monday, 3 October 2005 21:40 (eighteen years ago) link

is it in the sept 15th issue? for some reason i don't see it. thx.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Monday, 3 October 2005 21:52 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.earplug.cc/mailer/issue53/index.html :)

fandango (fandango), Monday, 3 October 2005 21:55 (eighteen years ago) link

thx!

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Monday, 3 October 2005 21:55 (eighteen years ago) link

this set is all like r&S and textured like silk... she can do sunny and house good.

fandango (fandango), Monday, 3 October 2005 22:03 (eighteen years ago) link

haha.. maybe it's a bit trancey, I am stoned.

fandango (fandango), Monday, 3 October 2005 22:04 (eighteen years ago) link

I keep meaning to buy this album

leigh (leigh), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 09:34 (eighteen years ago) link

And you should. My album of the year so far

Baaderonixx and the hedonistic gluttons (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 09:43 (eighteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
So how are the remixes on the Your Body is My Body 12"? I've not heard them.

matt2 (matt2), Monday, 31 October 2005 21:13 (eighteen years ago) link

The Kiki 'body trip' remix is amazing, synthy sunny happiness but I'm gonna get it on the new Camping 2 (cd) compilation. Skipped this 12". I don't know about the Troy Pierce mix, minimal, at a guess!

'Down' remixes by dinky, fuckaloop & drama society out sometime. Looking forward to the Dinky particularly.

login name (fandango), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 05:57 (eighteen years ago) link

it's (kiki rmx) at the start of this set btw, just after the first orbital track - http://www.ump3.de/sites/ellen_allien_djset_creamfields_august2005.php

login name (fandango), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 05:58 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't suppose anyone's got that BBC One World session to YSI have they?

Nice write up here for this mix - A set that Ellen Allien recorded as a Sónar promo, originally hosted by Samurai FM, is now streaming from the "Online Radio" section of Allien's own website. Like everything Allien does, it's wet and dry, brainy and ravey, shocking and blasé all at once. I didn't know half the tracks-- like the crickets-in-rocking-chairs opener, or the plaintive yet blissed out Basic Channelly number that follows it-- but a helpful ILMer posted the tracklist here, so we can all trainspot together as Allien veers from planar click tracks into ridiculous kazoo fantasias, and from massive overdriven hangar bangers into the epic, John-Williams-goes-raving conclusion of Paul Kalkbrenner's newest "Ta-tü-tata", a record which-- like Sascha Funke's "Boy", also a recent Bpitch release-- everyone should own.

Funny how it never really clicked with me completely before now (found that whilst already listening and googling, like most pieces of "news" on Pitchfork I completely miss them at the time 'cos the layout is so crapshite) I love how it's so airy yet claustrophobic. I just wish I could squeeze it all down into 45 mins, it's a bit slow to unfold (and the mixing on the last three tracks is erm.. not the best, esp. for her).

Worst song, played on ugliest guitar (fandango), Sunday, 13 November 2005 04:19 (eighteen years ago) link

(a link is always helpful) http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/urban/oneworld/professor_ellen.shtml

Worst song, played on ugliest guitar (fandango), Sunday, 13 November 2005 04:20 (eighteen years ago) link

John-Williams-goes-raving

!!

gear (gear), Sunday, 13 November 2005 05:09 (eighteen years ago) link

I have no idea who that bit's referring to actually.

Worst song, played on ugliest guitar (fandango), Sunday, 13 November 2005 05:11 (eighteen years ago) link

or rather, who John Williams is (yes I should probably try IMDB.com, I should also go to bed now too).

Worst song, played on ugliest guitar (fandango), Sunday, 13 November 2005 05:12 (eighteen years ago) link

I saw her live. She was so booooring.

Good Dog (Good Dog), Sunday, 13 November 2005 19:25 (eighteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
New album Ellen Allien and Apparat out in april 2006!

=)

fandango (fandango), Thursday, 8 December 2005 02:26 (eighteen years ago) link


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