The Thread Where We List The People Who Put Kanye As Their Token Rap Album on an indiecentric top 10 2004 list

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It really sort of amazes me that there are still critics out there that single out Linkin Park as an example of everything that's wrong with rock today. How long does it take to evolve past that kind of thinking?

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Thursday, 30 December 2004 20:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Not DeRo, though: He lists Kanye AND the Roots!!

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 30 December 2004 20:33 (nineteen years ago) link

What, the Streets don't count as rap?

― Huk-L, Thursday, 30 December 2004 20:34 (nineteen years ago) link

MICCIO U R CALLIN PEOPLE AN RACIST AND I DEMAND U STPO

let's see if we can make this an annual ILX tradition!

Not DeRo, though: He lists Kanye AND the Roots!!

he's a drummer! ?uestlove gets love!

― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 30 December 2004 20:35 (nineteen years ago) link

What, the Streets don't count as rap?

that's grime!

― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 30 December 2004 20:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Maybe it's reflexive hate against both Depeche and hip-hop. (Stranger has occurred.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 30 December 2004 20:36 (nineteen years ago) link

I mean does Blur's "Parklife" count as rap?

(X-post)

― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 30 December 2004 20:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Jeez, and all this before P&J, too!

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Thursday, 30 December 2004 20:36 (nineteen years ago) link

People still hate Depeche Mode?

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Thursday, 30 December 2004 20:40 (nineteen years ago) link

The Thread Where We List The People Who Put ~~Kanye~~OUTKAST As Their Token Rap Album on an indiecentric top 10 2003 list

― stevie nixed (stevie nixed), Thursday, 30 December 2004 20:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Of course, there is the nagging detail of College Dropout actually sounding like 100% hip-hop and not 50% hip-hop/50% bad Prince imitations/artwank/one great rock song

(xp stevie: I really dreaded this, y'know)

― What's this place, Biblevania? (natepatrin), Thursday, 30 December 2004 20:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Ned stole his Linkin Park/Depeche Mode connection from me (I hope, cuz I'd be all proud)!

STEPHEN DEUSNER, Pitchfork

1. Arcade Fire: Funeral
2. Nellie McKay: Get Away from Me
3. Loretta Lynn: Van Lear Rose
4. Scissor Sisters: Scissor Sisters
5. Ted Leo and the Pharmacists: Shake the Sheet
6. Annie: Anniemal
7. Wilson: Brian: SMiLE!
8. Kanye West: The College Dropout
9. Iron & Wine: Our Endless: Numbered Days
10. AC Newman: The Slow Wonder

Ryan Schrieber put Madvillainy on his list WITH Kanye...bastard.

― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 30 December 2004 20:41 (nineteen years ago) link

The writer is Tom Laskin, local music-critic-at-large. The other guy (Al Ritchie) who writes for the weekly is much better, but he seems to get nowhere near the number of articles in as this guy.

Here's the full article, but I can't resist posting the coup-de-grace final paragraph:

Think of it this way: Kurt Cobain’s been in the grave for little more than 10 years, and the early-’90s version of the music industry that helped transform him into a global figure now looks like a dusty relic. Don’t know about you, but I find that astonishing. And, to be honest, a little disturbing.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 30 December 2004 20:42 (nineteen years ago) link

What, the Streets don't count as rap?

that's grime!

Dude, Mike Skinner is a minstrel. ;-)

― stevie nixed (stevie nixed), Thursday, 30 December 2004 20:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Joe Panzner, Stylus

01. Junior Boys – Last Exit
02. Sachiko M/Toshimaru Nakamura/Otomo Yoshihide – Good Morning Good Night
03. Joanna Newsom – The Milk-Eyed Mender
04. Keith Rowe/Burkhard Beins – Erstlive001
05. Kanye West – The College Dropout
06. Radian – Juxtaposition
07. The Blood Brothers – Crimes
08. Wolf Eyes – Burned Mind
09. Dean Roberts/Radu Malfatti/Mattin/Klaus Filip – Building Excess
10. Dion Workman/Mattin – Via Vespucci

― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 30 December 2004 20:47 (nineteen years ago) link

At least he put Kanye above Radian. They're BORING.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 30 December 2004 20:48 (nineteen years ago) link

The name Radian reminds me of a lost Gastr Del Sol off-shoot band or something.

I hate *perfect* top tens. I hate all of the above lists because they don't contain any *quirky* choices. Gimme a list that has Junior boys *and* Celine Dion in it!

― stevie nixed (stevie nixed), Thursday, 30 December 2004 20:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Dan Carter, Prefixmag
1. The Futureheads, S/T
2. Animal Collective, Sung Tongs
3. Nirvana, With The Lights Out
4. Tomorrow's Friend, Area 41
5. Night Rally, The Elegant Look Of New
6. Kanye West, The College Dropout
7. Arthur Russell, The World Of Arthur Russell
8. Arthur Russell, Calling Out Of Context
9. 808 State, Prebuilt

― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 30 December 2004 20:52 (nineteen years ago) link

this will be revived after p&j...for the kicks.

― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 30 December 2004 20:55 (nineteen years ago) link

This thread should be expanded to include people like me who enlarged their tokenism to include the Ghostface and Madvillain albums.

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Thursday, 30 December 2004 20:56 (nineteen years ago) link

But Kanye's a well-chosen token, like Sidney Poitier or Lester Bangs (Meltzer tagged him as The Biz's token wild man). xpost "that's grime!" Dizzee grime is grimey rap; GRIME(Rephlex comp) is something else, and no doubt ditto lots of stuff on approx infinite Grime 2004 thread. Linkin Park is not everything wrong with rock; their wrongness is their own (walking on the rap-rock dinosaurette tarpit, but still.

― don, Thursday, 30 December 2004 20:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Ned stole his Linkin Park/Depeche Mode connection from me (I hope, cuz I'd be all proud)!

Sorry, dude. ;-) Simon Reynolds was the one I first read making the connection, and I think Dan and I were saying the same thing on here a couple of years back.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 30 December 2004 20:57 (nineteen years ago) link

This thread should be expanded to include people like me who enlarged their tokenism to include the Ghostface and Madvillain albums.

THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE! and he is kanye. Ask Byron Crawford.

http://ubl.artistdirect.com/Images/artd/amg/music/bio/721308_kanyewest3_200x200.jpg

― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 30 December 2004 20:59 (nineteen years ago) link

People still hate Depeche Mode?

You'd be surprised. I think, however, their numbers are in some cases quite literally dying off.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:00 (nineteen years ago) link

The Arcade Fire, Funeral

If the Arcade Fire got one US dollar for every 500 words written about them in newspapers and blogs in 2004, instead of their royalty check, they'd have more than enough money to buy a new accordion and party dress for Regine.

― George Smith, Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:03 (nineteen years ago) link

is that Joe Panzner list really 'indiecentric'?

― a, Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Dean Roberts/Radu Malfatti/Mattin/Klaus Filip/Usher/Ludacris

oops. missed this one. sorry.

― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:05 (nineteen years ago) link

this will be revived after p&j...for the kicks.

Kicks delivered to the body of a dead horse, maybe.

― What's this place, Biblevania? (natepatrin), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:07 (nineteen years ago) link

I stole your bit!

― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:07 (nineteen years ago) link

err so improv = indie? ok

― a, Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:09 (nineteen years ago) link

if it sells even less than indie, its indie.

― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:09 (nineteen years ago) link

Me! Me!
-- jaymc (jmcunnin...), December 30th, 2004.

RIGHT HERE IN RIVER CITY!

1. Junior Boys - Last Exit - Kin (16 points)
2. Sonic Youth - Sonic Nurse - Geffen (13 points)
3. Phoenix - Alphabetical - Source/Astralwerks (13 points)
4. Bark Psychosis - Codename: Dustsucker - Fire (13 points)
5. Joanna Newsom - The Milk-Eyed Mender - Drag City (10 points)
6. Luomo - The Present Lover - Kinetic (10 points)
7. Erlend Oye - DJ Kicks - !K7 (8 points)
8. Kanye West - The College Dropout - Roc-A-Fella (7 points)
9. Animal Collective - Sung Tongs - Fat Cat (5 points)
10. United State of Electronica - United State of Electronica - Sonic Boom (5 points)

― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Argh, I forgot USE as well! But then again I think it's more accurate to say I just couldn't fit every album I wanted to in there, only ten slots and all...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:13 (nineteen years ago) link

How about singles lists? 'Cause, y'know, I took those into account a year ago. When I first had the idea. Which, in retrospect, was fucking stupid. Do you want to be fucking stupid, Miccio?

― What's this place, Biblevania? (natepatrin), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:15 (nineteen years ago) link

(See, it's cute when Miccio does it because he's being tee-hee ironic!)

― What's this place, Biblevania? (natepatrin), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:15 (nineteen years ago) link

You know it, whiny!

Also from the ilx p&j thread, Raymond Cummings!

1. Graham Smith - Final Battle - March/What Are (15 points)
2. Animal Collective - Sung Tongs - Fatcat (14 points)
3. Stereolab - Margerine Eclipse - Elektra (13 points)
4. Walkmen - Bows & Arrows - Record Collection (12 points)
5. Kanye West - The College Dropout - Roc-A-Fella (11 points)
6. Fiery Furnaces - Blueberry Boat - Rough Trade (9 points)
7. Ariel Pinkâ€™s Haunted Graffiti - The Doldrums - Paw Tracks (8 points)
8. Sightings - Arrived In Gold - Load (7 points)
9. Green Day - American Idiot - Reprise (6 points)
10. Yellow Swans - Bring The Neon War Home - Narnack (5 points)

Actually, does Graham Smith rap on the new album? He's rapped before. I really want to hear that thing.

― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:17 (nineteen years ago) link

I mean, I'm sorry if I sound overly pissed off or defensive here, but That Whole Outkast Thing more than any other moment soured me towards the attitudes of the vast majority (or at least the loudest complainers) of ILM and basically made me more or less persona non take-seriously around here. I'm trying to reform myself, y'know, but it's not easy when I get the idea that the people I'm trying to have discourse with are grudge-holding snotnoses.

― What's this place, Biblevania? (natepatrin), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Dude, what grudge could I possibly have? I just think token lists are kinda funny! And admittedly not all of these are as perfect as that CNN one. Chill out, man! Relax.

― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:22 (nineteen years ago) link

It's a good thing I don't have any Kanye in my list, I so loved having to justify my tastes last year. :(

― Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Not necessarily saying that you have a grudge, but reopening this old wound isn't helping anyone. I must've made a dozen enemies from that thread alone, and reminding ILM of what dumbshittery it was ain't helping any.

― What's this place, Biblevania? (natepatrin), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, most of my list is white people, but it's SIX different nationalities of white people!!

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:28 (nineteen years ago) link

nate for what it's worth
it was worth discussing then
and discussing now

― Haibun (Begs2Differ), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Nate, if you don't like me reopening this old wound, you can lump it. This thread is helping me laugh hard and get through a very boring day at work. Get a sense of humor and stop worrying about your damn cred.

I don't have any Kanye on my list cuz that guy has one of the assiest voices in rap history. I kinda hoped (p.s. my token rap album is Bumblebeez 81) would keep people from getting defensive.

― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Quoth Budget Klosterman, so shall it be done

― What's this place, Biblevania? (natepatrin), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:35 (nineteen years ago) link

(Sorry, I'm a dick.)

― What's this place, Biblevania? (natepatrin), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:36 (nineteen years ago) link

And NOTHING can keep me from getting defensive. I'm like a shorter, white Ben Wallace with worse hair and a higher tendency to shove people.

― What's this place, Biblevania? (natepatrin), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:37 (nineteen years ago) link

dude, you're getting all Soul Asylum, you want somebody to shove.

and hey registering complaints about something isn't the same as actively hating, etc., etc.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Uh, ALL MY FRIENDS.

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:40 (nineteen years ago) link

don't apologize, Nate, being compared to a guy with two national mag columns and a book deal thanks to obviousness and privilege is quite alright with me. I think the one time I ever got offended by something on ILX was when I mistakenly thought gear or n/a or hstencil or whoever was comparing me to Brent DiCrecenzo. I almost shot myself.

― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:41 (nineteen years ago) link

so, what is worse?

listing the token rap album or just not listing any rap/hip-hop at all

i know that no rap album is even close to my top ten of 2004.

(i have trouble liking the full albums, but i love hip-hop/rap singles)

― t0dd swiss, Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:42 (nineteen years ago) link

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say what you will about market size for the genre in its entirety. who cares? I just said Jet was bigger than blur.

(x-post. thank ESPN)

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:24 (nineteen years ago) link

haha "cassandra wilson is bigger than duke ellington ever was. sales, top 40 crossover, fact."

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:25 (nineteen years ago) link

i am thinking espn, i'm not the dude who had to turn to the blogosphere to find out about ashlee simpson getting booed.

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:25 (nineteen years ago) link

you really over-estimate the size of Blur on the US alt-rock marketplace in the 90s

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:26 (nineteen years ago) link

and there ain't no shame in not watching the Orange Bowl half-time special

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Jet may be the Cassandra Wilson of modern rock but Damon sure wasn't the Duke.

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:32 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.sciencenews.org/pages/sn_arc99/12_11_99/mathland3.gif

FACT!

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:35 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.35degrees.com/PhotoPages/sumo/smooth_moves.JPG

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:40 (nineteen years ago) link

I'VE GOT MY HASH PIPE!

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:42 (nineteen years ago) link

HUUH!

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:42 (nineteen years ago) link

2001 is not 2005, blount. Ask Sebastian Bach.

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:43 (nineteen years ago) link

the first time i ate pussy it was to a skid row song

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:45 (nineteen years ago) link

hmm maybe delete that mods

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:45 (nineteen years ago) link

"sweet little sister"?

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:48 (nineteen years ago) link

"makin a mess" - PSYCHE! no seriously "i remember you"

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:56 (nineteen years ago) link

"Midnight/Tornado"

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:57 (nineteen years ago) link

"Slow Jamz"

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:59 (nineteen years ago) link

haha "quicksand jesus"

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 05:00 (nineteen years ago) link

"1000 Umbrellas"

― Haibun (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 05:01 (nineteen years ago) link

"wasted time"

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 05:01 (nineteen years ago) link

best hijack ever

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 05:02 (nineteen years ago) link

mention of cunnilingus = immediate hijack

mention of analingus = immediate lojack

― Haibun (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 05:05 (nineteen years ago) link

people ask me why it's hot when Miccio and Blount fight, and I say because there's always the chance that they might kiss

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 05:43 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.staticfiends.com/britney/pics/madonna/britney_madonna_kiss.jpg

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 06:02 (nineteen years ago) link

ihttp://www.houseplantpicturestudio.com/HPS/lensquigitems/lensquigposter.jpg

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 06:07 (nineteen years ago) link

PLATFORM CHUCK TAYLORS!

DEAR LORD.

― What's this place, Biblevania? (natepatrin), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 06:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Just out of curiosity, how many of you like the same music as your wife/girlfriend? (Or, if you don't have a girlfriend, for "girlfriend" substitute "fuckbuddy" or "the woman you stalk.")

― MV, Wednesday, 12 January 2005 15:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Seven.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 15:41 (nineteen years ago) link

"Dom Passantino once discussed Jackass with Douglas Coupland ('that little guy on the skateboard? Oh, I love him'), and had to repeat everything twice to Jamelia during an interview because she didn’t understand his accent. His interests include gambling, swearing, and stalking."

Pardon?

― MV, Wednesday, 12 January 2005 18:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Seven.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 22:14 (nineteen years ago) link

...

― Come Again?, Thursday, 13 January 2005 00:35 (nineteen years ago) link

ten years pass...

lol

― RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 26 November 2015 14:21 (eight years ago) link

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