Rolling Late-60's/Early-70's Thud-Rock Thread

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dave q, Tuesday, 18 May 2004 03:12 (nineteen years ago) link

I have to go to bed, but please continue talking about Nitzinger, Battiato, Toe Fat, Kompakt cds, and some thud-rock that Matos would probably really like. I'm thinking he would dig some Tucky Buzzard. Do you think he's ever heard the first Captain Beyond record? (not that it's thud or sludge per se, but don't you think almost anyone you know would love that album?) Bobby Caldwell should run for president.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 03:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Reality D. Blipcrotch is a "he," apparently.

http://www.gotarevolution.com/reality.htm

Sang Freud (jeff_s), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 11:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Hahahahahahaha!!

Anyway, Reality is sitting in my office, and I take out my pen and he says, "Maurice, this is what I want. On band three, bar 30, I want a
marijuana leaf to pop out."

I write down, "Band three, bar 30, marijuana leaf pop out." Pop out of the record. He's putting me on, right? But I write it down!

I said, "What else?"

"One more thing, one more thing." He takes a deep toke. "One more thing, Maurice, one more thing."

"Yeah?"

"At the end of side two, as it rejects, I want the record to self-destruct."

So I write down, "End of side two, self-destruct." I wrote this down on a piece of paper.

"Why do you want it to self-destruct?"

He takes a toke and says, "You know why I want it to self-destruct? Because they'll go out and buy it again and I'll get double sales."

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 11:53 (nineteen years ago) link

I could never tell if he was a he or a she. He was one of a kind! Devendra wishes.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 12:03 (nineteen years ago) link

A Franco Battiato tribute album??? WTF???

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 12:08 (nineteen years ago) link

I recorded a song for a Battiato tribute last year, but it's for an Italian label (Sillyboy), so I guess that's less surprising.

Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 12:22 (nineteen years ago) link

The track was Propiedad Prohibida, from the Clic album. If anyone gives a shit.

Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 12:24 (nineteen years ago) link

I'd rather praise Rushmore and Eden's Children, in honor of this thread's title and original concept...

Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 12:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Obviously, I mean Mount Rushmore. It's just the caffeine taking its toll.

Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 12:28 (nineteen years ago) link

bullangus!! if you can deal with the kind of stupid bits cribbed from the james gang and deep purple. bolder damn, too.

for some reason this thread's making me want to buy the bon scott and fraternity 2cd.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 13:43 (nineteen years ago) link

A Franco Battiato tribute album??? WTF???

You got it!

I recorded a song for a Battiato tribute last year, but it's for an Italian label (Sillyboy), so I guess that's less surprising.

Uh, that IS the tribute I'm writing the liner notes for! I'm friends with the label owner Marco. So wait, which band are you in again?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 13:45 (nineteen years ago) link

ha, Marco is wonderful. I'm in Oneida. I hope our song is actually appearing on the comp...

Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 13:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Last I checked you were on the tracklist! I'm supposed to be getting a copy soon so I can mumble about it all. I met Marco hanging around the Julian Cope boards a few years back and invited him to join this mailing list I'm on. Then he told me about this group he managed...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 13:49 (nineteen years ago) link

He introduced all of us to Battiato -- uh, the music, not the man -- for which I'm totally thankful. And Jennifer Gentle, of course.

Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 13:52 (nineteen years ago) link

I was supposed to write about the new Oneida album, but it took me too long so my editor did it instead. I think you got lucky. ( not that I don't like the album, I do. But I had several pages of notes on Oneida Indians and 19th century utopian communities)

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 13:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, the Sub Pop tie-up makes me very happy for JG. And get this -- much to my utter amazement, Marco told me that Chris Robinson of the Black Crowes wrote him the other week to say he was a JG fan! I guess I have to grudgingly credit him for that much.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 13:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, are they on Sub Pop now? that's very cool for them -- I'm so out of all loops. Which one is Chris Robinson, the tall one or the short one? I like the short one.

Scott, reviewed for the Voice, I'm guessing? heh, that would have been totally appropriate subject matter -- although it's always fun to hear Mr. Eddy's take on anything.

But seriously, can't we talk about the Maximillian record instead?! And other, lesser oaf-rock too! Scrubbaloe Caine!

Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 13:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, got officially signed earlier this year. And Robinson was the tall insufferable singer geek.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 13:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Er, Chris that is.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 13:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Hmm, I like Rich, then. Or Rick, whichever. The guitarist. Does he have a famous wife too?

And Spooky Tooth -- seriously, what a band! And they gave the world not only Gary Wright and Mick Jones, but Ariel Bender! Mike Kellie! How can any band compare to one that splintered its way into Foreigner, Mott the Hoople, and the Only Ones?!? Plus, "Cotton Growin' Man"!!!

Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 14:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Does he have a famous wife too?

I saw her on the cover of some maternity mag once, so I guess that counts.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 14:06 (nineteen years ago) link

definitely.

Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 14:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Hairy Chapter Can't Get Through.

Sean Witzman (trip maker), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 14:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Opening up a mad, puzzling world of German oafery...YOU FOOL!

Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 14:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Now we can talk about Uli Roth-era Scorpions with impunity!

Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 14:25 (nineteen years ago) link

I like Spooky Tooth. They don't get enough love.

I only have Mount Rushmore 69, but I never play it. It didn't thrill me so much long ago. I should give it another spin.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 14:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Reality has gotta die, Man.
Considering the space Oneida has occupied on the show over the years, I just thought I'd let you know that 8 Miles High burned it's last one last night. I ended with Master of the Universe and then left Music for The Other Head on repeat for the evening. When I got to the bar, my friends thought I was still on the air, screaming "I've gotta Pee!" over the music. If you gotta go...

Sean Witzman (trip maker), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 14:31 (nineteen years ago) link

I will dump a joint on the ground in honor of the fallen 8 miles high tonight for sure. email me -- that's my actual address -- let me know what's going on if the show's history...

Oh, and "High on Mount Rushmore" is moronic, but has great singing. I don't know "Mount Rushmore 69" at all. Agreed on Spooky Tooth -- I even like both eras -- I think the "reunion" lineup is awesome. And I'm serious about where all those people ended up; it's so cool.

Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 14:34 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm listening to Puzzle right now. Great power-trio. Almost as good as Thunder & Roses. A little too nimble to be considered thuddish or thuggish. I think Broheems said he was a fan.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 14:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Xpost. On a “weird records” kick, I actually played the “Come” album by "One" on Grunt the other day – had it for months, but this is the first time I’d listened to it. What tedious crap! I really would have hoped for better from a guy with the imagination to call himself Reality D. Blipcrotch, but most of it sounds like the Ray Conniff singers mildly stoned on Mexican shake. There are a few interesting moments, like the brief rave-up with the kettle going off, but if there was anything like the ambient sound of a cosmic wave or a reefer leaf popping out of a groove, I must have missed it.

briania (briania), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 15:40 (nineteen years ago) link

You don't like Reality's crazed throat/mouth/lips singing where he imitates flutes and stuff? I die laughing when I hear that record. One of THE WORST uses of a sitar on a rock record. Briania, did you read the kettle story on that link above?

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 15:43 (nineteen years ago) link

here it is, just on case:


Stephen Barncard: I remember a particular session that I did not participate in where they were trying to record a teapot. They had a part in a
song where they wanted the teapot to whistle on cue, so they would back the tape up and try to anticipate the delay after the heat was turned
on. Nobody told them they didn't have to do it that way; they could have recorded it separately on a two-track and spun it in. But they were too
wasted to think of that.

Blipcrotch was this weird character that was the leader of the band. I have no idea why Paul signed them, I thought they were terrible, besides
being idiots. I think since Paul lived in the same town as them, he felt sorry for them or something.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 15:44 (nineteen years ago) link

I am, of course, on record as long being a fan of much of this genre(though there are admittedly bands mentioned on this thread who I've never heard of.) Anyway. everybody should read these two pieces, if they didn't already (despite them being more about MID '70s thud):

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0412/smith.php

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0412/eddy.php

chuck, Tuesday, 18 May 2004 16:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Nick Drake, Vashti Bunyan, Shirley Collins, prog-rock, and thud-rock. ILM is stooooooooooooned today. Must be spring.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 16:23 (nineteen years ago) link

As for Dust, both albums are great. (I wish I still had my copies!)

(As for Postal Service, um, I guess I prefer Superpitcher.)

chuck, Tuesday, 18 May 2004 16:24 (nineteen years ago) link

hahahahah! matos!!!!!! where did he run off to?

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 16:25 (nineteen years ago) link

PINK. FAIRIES.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 17:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Nah, Scott - still haven't heard the Puzzle yet; I did ask you about them on some other thread though.

Oh man, that tea kettle story is priceless.

Yes, Pink Fairies (there's a reason my fantasy baseball team is named Kings of Oblivion.) el sabor wrote:

for some reason this thread's making me want to buy the bon scott and fraternity 2cd.

This is actually pretty good! Or at least, the Fraternity tracks I have on a CD compilation are good. Kinda mildly heavy post-hippie back-to-the-land rock. The CD also has tracks from Bon's OTHER pre-AC/DC group .. not so good. The Valentines I think they were called? I'd have to check the CD. It's on See for Miles. I don't know about this 2CD thing, though. I may need to look for that..

Did any of you psychonauts ever get into that Holyground stuff? Any Thundermother fans in the house? I might have to torch one up and throw that on...

Broheems (diamond), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 17:53 (nineteen years ago) link

What about Fraternity of Man?
Something tells me they don't belong in this thread, though.

Sean Witzman (trip maker), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 17:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Now you're being overly generous with Mt. Rushmore. They looked like they were a lot better than they actually sounded, a common malady.

Spooky Tooth fans may want to find the first Widowmaker album, which features Luther and a very Spooky-Toothy lead singer. It's the definition of thud-like.

George Smith, Tuesday, 18 May 2004 18:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Did someone mention Sir Lord Baltimore (yet again)?
Can't forget Bang/Budgie/Groundhogs, obv. And then there's Leaf Hound (a less-stodgy Free), Head Over Heels (singer sounded a bit like an American Bon Scott, at least in timbre if not approach) and finally Third World War, whose incredible debut strangely reminds me of MC5's High Time with its congas and blues harp and overall 1971-ness. Plus they even had a member named Fred Smith! And Thunderpussy's "legendary" Documents of Captivity (nominated as one of the 10 worst metal LPs ever by CREEM great Rick Johnson) is actually kinda nice, but sounds more like Wishbone Ash or something equally proggy than anything metallic. Plus the bassist doubles on flute, & that's just sad.

Was that Grand Theft "Hiking Into Eternity" LP really recorded in '72-73, or just some big elaborate mid-'90s hoax? Liner notes and bandmembers' names ("Crowbar Monsoon" yet!) are preposterous, and recording quality is too muddy to be conclusive. It's clearly a Grand Funk parody, but Grand Funk were as ripe for parody in '96 as in '72, weren't they? So it's a mystery. If anyone has a clue, I'd sure love to know!

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 18:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Und the first Bang lp, the second goes downhill after one side and the third is a waste. First side of Head Over Heels was pretty decent, too, although everything on it pales after the crunch of its first thirty seconds.

Bang can be had through the band's website. "Bang -- music shot from guns!" And they were from Philly.

George Smith, Tuesday, 18 May 2004 18:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Wait, I pointed out theat the Mt Rushmore album was *moronic* (which, I grant, could be seen as high, high praise); it's just the singer I love. But you're right that they look like a 10, and the album's a 6 at best.

Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 18:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Was that Grand Theft "Hiking Into Eternity" LP really recorded in '72-73, or just some big elaborate mid-'90s hoax?

i thought it was actually a parody from the early 70s (allegedly members of bluebird, supposedly a rural rock band). but if it isn't, i can say they did a really good job on the production. fooled me.

leaf hound! yeah! i was just listening to that in the car last night. they should've been huge.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 18:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Is it fair to judge oaf- and thud-rockers based solely on the quality or frequency of impassioned declamations of the word "woman"?

I'm realizing that's an essential ingredient for me. If you can't holler/gargle "WOMAN" with as much feeling as Frijid Pink, you're just not in the major leagues, I'm thinking.

Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 18:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, I couldn't get into the Head Over Heels record. After how long it took me to track down, it was a bit of a disappointment.

Myonga OTM re: Third World War - High Time is a very good comparison. I still really can't fathom anyone who doesn't love all three MC5 lps. But they are out there. High Time might even be better than the first one; better to dance to, anyway.

Does the Mt. Rushmore lp have them on the cover, like on DP's In Rock?!

Broheems (diamond), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 18:26 (nineteen years ago) link


Is it fair to judge oaf- and thud-rockers based solely on the quality or frequency of impassioned declamations of the word "woman"?

Most def! And/or "child" and/or "baby".

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 18:28 (nineteen years ago) link

"High on Mt Rushmore" has them SHIRTLESS AND SWEATY on the cover, if I'm remembering right. And (obv) fat and hairy. Fabulous.

Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 18:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh yeah, "child" and "baby" get Fanny into the inner circle, then, too -- which is required.

Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 18:29 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm fairly certain there are an infinite number of obscure and cool hard/heavy rock bands that existed from 70-74, i feel like i hear of a new one every two weeks

The looming shadow of the big baller/shot caller (M@tt He1ges0n), Sunday, 8 November 2009 18:05 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm fairly certain there are an infinite number of obscure and cool hard/heavy rock bands that existed from 70-74, i feel like i hear of a new one every two weeks

Tell me about it. I'm now investigating Stray even as I dig through the aforementioned stuff.

neither good nor bad, just a kid like you (unperson), Sunday, 8 November 2009 18:39 (fourteen years ago) link

Search this on YouTube, didn't want to add the link because of potential for embed fever bogging and crashing the threat.

Peter Frampton+Humble Pie Astoria Memorial Concert "AMC Four Day Creep" 20th April 2001.

Frampton, Ridley -- who died a couple years later, the ever present Clem Clempson and Jerry
Shirley at a memorial show.

The tune just punches your face.

Gorge, Sunday, 8 November 2009 19:32 (fourteen years ago) link

I like the flower-powery stuff on Stray's first album--especially "Around the World in 80 Days."

I'm currently listening to German proto-Metal band Night Sun's "Mournin'" (which seems less proto- than actual- metal.)

President Keyes, Monday, 9 November 2009 12:12 (fourteen years ago) link

four months pass...

Rhino Handmade boxes Vanilla Fudge

Roomful of Moogs (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 21:30 (fourteen years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytduMVvGwu0

I totally recommend the s/t, post-Van Them album on Happy Tiger circa 1969. This is the thuddinest track, the rest is like heavier garage stuff, a surprisingly decent cover of "In The Midnight Hour," a song that should generally probably not be covered.

drinkin a carton of peace juice (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 7 April 2010 01:19 (fourteen years ago) link

five months pass...
two months pass...

UFO really does not get enough props.

mini-skirt and gogol books (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 5 December 2010 10:28 (thirteen years ago) link

The first one always gets called boogie rock. I don't hear boogie, though. I hear THUD.

mini-skirt and gogol books (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 5 December 2010 10:29 (thirteen years ago) link

one month passes...

Has everyone heard "Rumblin' Man" by Cactus. Jesus Christ! Dunno what it's on other than the "Cactology" set.

Slade Venom Secret Police (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 29 January 2011 10:53 (thirteen years ago) link

I mean it was "previously unreleased" when that came out.

Slade Venom Secret Police (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 29 January 2011 10:53 (thirteen years ago) link

It was included on the Rhino Handmade set of their complete studio recordings, but that thing goes for $70 and up on eBay/Amazon.

that's not funny. (unperson), Saturday, 29 January 2011 14:27 (thirteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

damned dirty danes! dig the bass sound.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNkdr1aAMxQ

scott seward, Friday, 18 February 2011 18:44 (thirteen years ago) link

one month passes...

That Gasolin track is tight, btw.

Wanna buy the whole world copies of Cactus' "Restrictions" album right now. Some amazing, epic jams on there. Couple of throwaways but they're short and not annoying.

Also, PINK FAIRIES FINLAND FREAKOUT = AWESOME.

GLOWER METAL (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 27 March 2011 07:17 (thirteen years ago) link

This drummer reminds me of a Bill Ward. "Evil" is great.

bamcquern, Sunday, 27 March 2011 07:44 (thirteen years ago) link

I found a remaindered cd copy of Silver Metre the other day @ HPB.

Your cousin, Marvin Cobain (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 27 March 2011 23:59 (thirteen years ago) link

I still haven't heard them! Good?

GLOWER METAL (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Monday, 28 March 2011 01:51 (thirteen years ago) link

Silver Metre-It's pretty good. I was expecting something heavier. It's stripped down--Leigh Stevens comes off in check, playing simple rhythm guitar with o/d solos instead of piling on masses of sludge. The singer sounds like a mushmouthed Lee Michaels. The covers are somewhat far afield-- "Superstar" (as in Jesus Christ...) and three early Elton John songs, including "Ballad of a Well-Known Gun" which is like Country-Thud and my favorite song on the album.

Your cousin, Marvin Cobain (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 03:36 (thirteen years ago) link

That said, it still can get plenty heavy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXolaWYiZG0

Your cousin, Marvin Cobain (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 03:42 (thirteen years ago) link

doesn't thud out of the gate (do flutes negate thud?) but the samples i've heard of the new Steel Mill reissue might appeal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqvGkNLGekQ&feature=related

quantum telescope (+ +), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 11:38 (thirteen years ago) link

Mount Carmel, new band on Stiltbreeze is totes thud rock, if you closed your eyes you'd never know this wasn't from like 73

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRP07oJDwCs

Bleeqwot the Chef (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 31 March 2011 18:39 (thirteen years ago) link

I heard those guys on XM the other day, thats pretty good stuff.

Thraft of Cleveland (Bill Magill), Thursday, 31 March 2011 18:46 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah i need to buy it, the whole production, vox, everything sounds so vintage it's kinda eerie

Bleeqwot the Chef (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 31 March 2011 18:51 (thirteen years ago) link

five months pass...

It's getting too late for me to play the loud stuff (shhhh, the baby is sleeping), so I put on the album by ONE on Grunt from 72. Incomprehensible hippy gibberish!! But I love it. The singer pretends she is a trumpet and a flute!! At least I think she is a she.
The singer had the best name in all of rock, too. Are you ready for it: REALITY "D" BLIPCROTCH !!!

I wonder what the "D" stood for.

I kinda like this record.

one dis leads to another (ian), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 22:20 (twelve years ago) link

one year passes...

poobah, 1972 I guess

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPeEiJSj_nA

unprepared guitar (Edward III), Friday, 26 April 2013 20:56 (ten years ago) link

four years pass...
four years pass...

Those first two Point Blank records are some good ole' rawk. They definitely have some awesome crunchy sounding guitars and lots of leads. You can see why Bill Ham signed them as they do have some ZZ tendencies in their sound.

earlnash, Thursday, 6 October 2022 04:24 (one year ago) link

six months pass...

this Mariani album perpetuum mobilefrom 1970 (feat Eric Johnson) totally rips.
insane guitar solos, great drumming, great lyrics about getting stoned and looking at the sky and stuff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7d4rFwyLJn8

brimstead, Monday, 24 April 2023 00:31 (eleven months ago) link

This new Cherry Red box, We're An American Band: A Journey Through The USA Hard Rock Scene 1967-1973, is pretty good. I'm working on a lengthy review; all the usual suspects are represented, with one notable exception: nothing by the Amboy Dukes.

but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 24 April 2023 00:52 (eleven months ago) link

No Bob Seger System stuff, either.

but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 24 April 2023 00:52 (eleven months ago) link

eleven months pass...

do like a bit of this stonery stuff. Whatever its called. Still struggling to work out why revisionists have invented a year 1990 year zero for music that is rooted much earlier. Like a later garage where teens try the same process on harder heavier rock. & people with proven ability try to see what they can do with it.
I'm finally picking up on Japanese stuff I should have got a decade and a half ago. Other international stuff too, like zam rock basically taps into a very similar feel.

Stevo, Sunday, 7 April 2024 13:13 (one week ago) link


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