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For giving Teenage Fanclub a career, classic. For inspiring every other halfwit Glaswegian indie band, dud.

Agree with dave q, the soppy gurly ballads win over the rockers everytime (esp on #1 record), and yup Sister Lovers is overwrought and overrated but any Lp with Holocaust, jesus christ and Kanga roo is ok by me (though I prefer This Mortal Coil's versions).

I will pass on the Raspberries coz' all I know about them is that they taste nice in trifle.

Billy Dods, Friday, 19 October 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

Weeellll I've never been that partial to "#1 record" unless I'm completely in the right mood for it, the rockers sound forced but the ballads are wonderful, especially the last few on side two. "Radio city" is end to end genius without doubt. "Sister lovers" has too much of a reputation hanging around it of 'tortured genius' to ever live up to it - didn't NME vote it most depressing album of all time a few years back? Oh come on! But it still has moments. And I'm probably the only person here who'll admit that they like the Columbia live album (but hell I love the Posies so what do you expect?) The rockier songs from "#1" sound better on "Columbia" than the originals - discuss.

Rob M, Friday, 19 October 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

The three BS albums are like a drunk's progress. First album - happy buzz, sociable and 'up'. Second album - nasty, sloppy, mean-minded, initially amusing but unpleasant to be with. Third album - all the grief, dysfunction and ultimate serenity of the hangover. I like a lot of their stuff, I love a bit of their stuff - ultimately Chilton has to take some of the indirect blame for lo-fi's cult of the fuck- up.

Tom, Friday, 19 October 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

Nice comparison Tom. Why didn't I have that idea? "Kangaroo" is the delirium tremens isn't it?

alex in mainhattan, Friday, 19 October 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

Never heard them in my life.

the pinefox, Friday, 19 October 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

'Like Flies on Sherbert', the solo alb AC made after 'Sister Lovers', is the real good'un - we're talking one last reckless binge before the Betty Ford clinic beckoned. So ramshackle and woozy it makes the Dead C seem like King Crimson.

I also like 'I Am The Cosmos',the posthumous Chris Bell alb.

Andrew L, Friday, 19 October 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

Foxy: you might actually like 'em quite a bit, especially the slower moments (Ballad of El Goodo, for ex., and of course the immortal Thirteen.)

Everyone else: The first two records rock Third's world. Radio City is, I think, my favorite of the moment, b/c tho it has fewer instant hits it feels mature and thoughtful as opposed to angsty. Also, because of Septermber Gurls. Third has probably the most breathtakingly stunning songs, but I can't listen to something so morose that often. I need lifestyle music, eh?

Sterling Clover, Friday, 19 October 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

dave q: I like the Raspberries reference. Very, very nice.

JM, Friday, 19 October 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

Big Star weren't on Stax proper but rather Ardent, a Stax subsidiary with which Stax misguidedly took on the white rock market. I don't think it was much of a priority for Stax, which was a mixed blessing in that it allowed such a singularly weird band to pretty much do what they wanted but hurt them in that the Stax guys didn't have much interest in or aptitude for promoting anything other than soul.

fritz, Friday, 19 October 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

Actually, Rob, I liked Columbia too, also being a fan of the Posies. I think it's maybe telling that I like a lot of the bands that Big Star influenced a bit more than I like Big Star proper (esp. Replacements), but mostly because they are more powerpop and eliminated most of the rawk cliches of those first two albums, whether they invented them or no.

Sean Carruthers, Friday, 19 October 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

anyway, what's wrong with kiss?

g, Friday, 19 October 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

or Teenage Fanclub for that matter? They have gotten a bit boring...

g, Friday, 19 October 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

The first time I heard "Thirteen" I nearly cried. I *heart* this band so much.

Helen Fordsdale, Friday, 19 October 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

Big Star totally live up to the hype. Their history is nearly as compelling as their music. "Radio City" defines it's era, much like X's "Wild Gift" defines it's own era.

Mole Man, Saturday, 20 October 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

Sean - doncha love it when everyone gets sidetracked?

I heard Big Star before I heard either the Posies or Replacements or even the Fannies (a brother who had exceedingly bad taste most of the time finally got something right when he got "#1 Record" / "Radio city" in '91), and I've converted my fellow bandmate (a Fannies / Replacements / Smithereens fan) into a BS fan, his trying to convert me on the 'Mats and Smithereens has never worked in my direction for some reason. But we're totally agreed on the Posies and the Fannies though. Odd. I just can't get my head around the 'Mats at all, I've tried loads of times with different LPs of theirs, but still nothing. Mind, Paul Westerburg's last solo LP was rather good!

Rob M, Monday, 22 October 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

Call me old fashioned but I think one property of an era-defining record ought to be people actually buying it during that era, not 20 years later.

Tom, Monday, 22 October 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

Smithereens - AAARGGGGHHHH (makes retching sounds)

dave q, Monday, 22 October 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

It is an era defining record, era being 1990 unfortunately.

TFC way, way better than BS.

Billy Dods, Monday, 22 October 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

Could somebody PLEASE explain TFC's appeal? Start a new thread if you have to. This one really perplexes me.

dave q, Monday, 22 October 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

From my experience, Teenage Fanclub is exemplary of most Britpop bands - Hey! We like such-and-such bands! Let's pay homage to them through shameless, lifeless emulation! Everyone'll LOVE us!

Bandwagonesque was all fine & good, but a bit slow (even when going fast) and surprisingly bland as a whole. Pleasant in certain situations, though. This is the only album I can confidently speak on, so feel free to ignore my pronouncements.

David Raposa, Monday, 22 October 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

Basically TFC = Big Star with 'originality' replaced by 'lyrics and sentiments early 90s students could relate to better'. As an early 90s student I hugely preferred them.

Tom, Monday, 22 October 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

From my experience, Teenage Fanclub is exemplary of most Britpop bands

'Britpop' = term with huge ever growing scope creep

Nick, Monday, 22 October 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

2 years pass...
"Thirteen" is such a fucking good song.

NA (Nick A.), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 20:35 (12 years ago) Permalink

Isn't it just.

Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 20:52 (12 years ago) Permalink

I like the third one the best myself. "Radio City" is the most fully realized of the three "official" BS albums, but "Third" really did something that hadn't been done before, I think.

The Stax org was in such disarray in the early '70s that it's a wonder the records even got out there as much as they did. I've read that each of the first two albums only got into the marketplace in ridiculously small quantities...4000/5000 is a number I've seen.

I don't know if they "define" any era. A post above maintains that to define era, their records would've have to been bought by somebody. So I guess they were one of the first true indie/critic's bands...the reviews were mostly glowing. In retrospect they do seem to define the period much better than any number of more popular acts, though. I see nothing wrong with revisionist nostalgia myself.

For a long time I loved them without reservation, then went thru a period during which I'd just heard them too much. For a lot of us they were like the Beatles, the absolute gold standard of pop records. Now I just accept them as a great pop band, period, and wish people would quit gushing about them so much, or maintaining that they weren't really all that good. As a live band they seem to have sucked; but I can't think of any better-conceived record than "Radio City." Such style. And they seem to define not an era but a state of mind, one epitomized by the Eggleston "red ceiling" photo that graced the original "RC" LP...bad dreams and vibes in an oversexed room, distilled into melancholy, perhaps? With a few good times vaguely recalled? Maybe that's the '70s, I don't know.

Interesting to see what the new Big Star album will be like...

eddie hurt (ddduncan), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 21:12 (12 years ago) Permalink

a friend of mine is assisting with the engineering at Ardent. He says it sounds amazing.

of course, Chilton & company could scrape a chalkboard with rusty chisels and this guy would say it's the best thing ever.

(I think I listen to Third the most, too)

Will (will), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 22:25 (12 years ago) Permalink

there is a new studio album?

kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 22:38 (12 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, they've been recording at Ardent since March, I believe.

I wonder how committed Chilton is to the whole idea of Big Star these days. Probably not very. I didn't think much of "Hot Thing."

eddie hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 00:22 (12 years ago) Permalink

When did 'Hot Thing' come out?

de, Wednesday, 5 May 2004 00:24 (12 years ago) Permalink

Umm, it was sometime after the Columbia reunion...maybe '95? It's on the somewhat misbegotten Rkyo "Big Star Story."

eddie hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 00:26 (12 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, £15 for a 'best of', £10 for #1 Record/Radio City. Hmmm.

de, Wednesday, 5 May 2004 00:38 (12 years ago) Permalink

Really? That's so wrong.

eddie hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 00:50 (12 years ago) Permalink

3 years pass...

guys seriously I love "Ballad of El Goodo" so much

I want to be in a band that covers this

iiiijjjj, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 01:41 (9 years ago) Permalink

don't make me say a bunch of shit about it, just fire back re: yes this would be a pretty good thing to do, be in a band that covers this

iiiijjjj, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 01:42 (9 years ago) Permalink


ghost rider, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 01:45 (9 years ago) Permalink

I purchased the Blitzen Trapper song 'Summer Town' just because the vocal hook reminded me of BS' 'Thirteen.'

calstars, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 01:46 (9 years ago) Permalink

iiiiijjjjj where do you live?

calstars, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 01:46 (9 years ago) Permalink

Ya know, Evan Dando covered "El Goodo".

Pleasant Plains, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 01:50 (9 years ago) Permalink

'Thirteen'>>'El Goodo'

Drooone, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 01:51 (9 years ago) Permalink

fucking love them. i honestly feel sad for anyone who who passes them by.

Frogman Henry, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 01:51 (9 years ago) Permalink

drooone otm but it doesn't even matter

ghost rider, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 01:55 (9 years ago) Permalink

overrated Grandpappy Indie (VU notwithstanding); not worthless, but nor are Wishbone Ash, for goodness sake
-- mark s, Wednesday, October 17, 2001 5:00 PM (5 years ago)


gershy, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 05:18 (9 years ago) Permalink

8 months pass...

overrated Grandpappy Indie (VU notwithstanding); not worthless, but nor are Wishbone Ash, for goodness sake

-- mark s, Wednesday, October 17, 2001 5:00 PM (6 years ago) Bookmark Link

strgn, Tuesday, 11 March 2008 11:24 (8 years ago) Permalink


strgn, Tuesday, 11 March 2008 11:25 (8 years ago) Permalink

uh x-post

strgn, Tuesday, 11 March 2008 11:29 (8 years ago) Permalink

and 'mod lang' is what needs to get cover treatment

strgn, Tuesday, 11 March 2008 11:30 (8 years ago) Permalink

"Mod Lang" is quite easy to play, so a cover would be cool.

whisperineddhurt, Tuesday, 11 March 2008 15:30 (8 years ago) Permalink

and somehow, strangely, Big Star lives on.
wish i could go ... is this one of them Don't Look Back things? Are they playing Radio City in its entirety?
i'll also take this opportunity to say that Alex Chilton probably has one of the top 5 singing voices in rock and roll history. Serious.

tylerw, Tuesday, 11 March 2008 15:41 (8 years ago) Permalink

Actually, listening to Radio City and Third, Alex Chilton kind of reminds me of a vanilla Barrett Strong Rude from Lethem's "Forttress of Solitude." Moments on Third definitely sound fucked up enough to come from three-week coke binges.

That being said "Blue Moon" and "Stroke it Noel" totally PWNs! The former is better than "Thirteen" (which, sadly, contains no oboes).

Drugs A. Money, Wednesday, 12 March 2008 02:44 (8 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

sweet jesus this band is good. they seem to have such a unique and effortless ear for hook and melody. such a pleasure to listen to.
and on another note, 'i'm in love with a girl' appeared on a shuffle the other day. i was feeling a little absent-minded and it took me about 30 seconds to recall who it was without checking. such a sweet, simple song and yet it feels about 20 years ahead of its time.

Charlie Howard, Thursday, 8 May 2008 16:44 (8 years ago) Permalink

(and i always hated the bonus tracks at the end of the ryko cd. should have put them on another cd. but i'm kinda anti-bonus tracks at the end of a cd...)

scott seward, Wednesday, 21 October 2015 14:59 (9 months ago) Permalink

have had the line records 2cd with all three albums since i was a teen. this is my third/sister-lovers:

1 Kizza Me
2 You Can't Have Me
3 Jesus Christ
4 Downs
5 Whole Lotta Shakin' Going On
6 Thank You Friends
7 O, Dana
8 Femme Fatale
9 Stroke It, Noel
10 Holocaust
11 Nightime
12 Kanga Roo
13 For You
14 Take Care
15 Blue Moon
16 Dream Lover
17 Big Black Car

please don't shampoo your eyes (stevie), Wednesday, 21 October 2015 16:13 (9 months ago) Permalink

see, that looks crazy to me! but i accept it.

tylerw, Wednesday, 21 October 2015 16:20 (9 months ago) Permalink

separating Nighttime from Take Care & Blue Moon is a Sister Lovers I would not want to hear

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 21 October 2015 16:25 (9 months ago) Permalink

that's a Third I would start at track 7 every time. though I don't get ending with "Big Black Car", why not put it after "Femme Fatale" and go into "Holocaust", moving "Stroke It, Noel" after "Kanga Roo" ? But maybe I'm just reimagining the Ryko version, my version.

droit au butt (Euler), Wednesday, 21 October 2015 16:36 (9 months ago) Permalink

Starting Third with anything other than "Stroke it, Noel" is like starting Sgt. Pepper with "Sgt. Pepper (reprise)."

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 21 October 2015 16:40 (9 months ago) Permalink

sez the guy who doesn't want "Waiting for the Man" as the 2nd track of VU & Nico! (i kid, i kid)

tylerw, Wednesday, 21 October 2015 16:42 (9 months ago) Permalink

I love that there's no agreed upon order.

campreverb, Wednesday, 21 October 2015 16:51 (9 months ago) Permalink

xp haha, I know

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 21 October 2015 17:00 (9 months ago) Permalink

I love that there's no agreed upon order.

― campreverb, Wednesday, October 21, 2015 11:51 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

what if there was, like, some recording technology where you could, like, program an album to play in any order you wanted? and you could effortlessly skip back and forth among the songs?

i daren't dream...

wizzz! (amateurist), Wednesday, 21 October 2015 20:03 (9 months ago) Permalink

there's something akin to that in live performances but the performers always get irrationally angry when you tell them which song comes up next in their set

1999 ball boy (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 21 October 2015 20:04 (9 months ago) Permalink

in my version of "third" i've retained the pvc track order but i swapped the first and second verses of "o, dana."

fact checking cuz, Wednesday, 21 October 2015 20:12 (9 months ago) Permalink

no one has a CD player anymore, amateurist, it's all cassettes and vinyls

tylerw, Wednesday, 21 October 2015 20:16 (9 months ago) Permalink

You can still do shuffle/programming with vinyl. Since vinyl purists like to talk about how fun it is to get up and turn over the record, it stands to reason that getting up every 3-4 minutes to put the needle on a different song would be even more fun.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 21 October 2015 20:17 (9 months ago) Permalink

no one has a CD player anymore, amateurist, it's all cassettes and vinyls

― tylerw, Wednesday, October 21, 2015 3:16 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

actually, i'm an all-flexidisc household these days

wizzz! (amateurist), Wednesday, 21 October 2015 20:24 (9 months ago) Permalink

flexis have that thin, brittle sound we all love.
did anyone get that 3rd "test pressing" that came out on RSD a few years ago?
collector scum bait or actually worth hearing?

tylerw, Wednesday, 21 October 2015 20:32 (9 months ago) Permalink

The new pressing was cut from the original assembly reel, on the same lathe at the legendary Ardent Studios in Memphis and by the very same engineers who cut it the first time, Larry Nix and John Fry. Pressed on high quality vinyl at RTI, this is the definitive version of this album.

tylerw, Wednesday, 21 October 2015 20:34 (9 months ago) Permalink

Thee Correct track sequence, hallelujah!

dow, Wednesday, 21 October 2015 20:48 (9 months ago) Permalink

prix archival reissue is coming out on vinyl. tommy hoehn + alex + chris.

scott seward, Thursday, 22 October 2015 22:27 (9 months ago) Permalink

there was a japanese cd, but this new vinyl has extra stuff...

scott seward, Thursday, 22 October 2015 22:30 (9 months ago) Permalink

i have some enormous (and incredible) many-disc Big Star 'n' friends boot that has almost all that prix stuff (along with many other side projects, post-BS bands, solo Alex and Chris, etc. etc.). nice to see some of this get official release.

wizzz! (amateurist), Friday, 23 October 2015 00:00 (9 months ago) Permalink

So what do the Prix trax sound like, are they good? I think of Tiven as a producer and sometime-songwriter, not a performer.

dow, Friday, 23 October 2015 00:49 (9 months ago) Permalink

it sounds like tommy hoehn basically. which is a good thing. click the youtube link above.

scott seward, Friday, 23 October 2015 02:30 (9 months ago) Permalink

chris bell played a big part in those sessions. producing and playing. so if you are a bell fan, you need that stuff.

scott seward, Friday, 23 October 2015 02:31 (9 months ago) Permalink

i'm a hoehn fan. and a van duren fan.

scott seward, Friday, 23 October 2015 02:34 (9 months ago) Permalink

and a hot dogs fan...

scott seward, Friday, 23 October 2015 02:36 (9 months ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

Yep, Chilton and Prix trax on Ork box do sound fine.
New uniform for Ardent Studio staff:

dow, Saturday, 13 February 2016 00:43 (5 months ago) Permalink

If that's gone, it's a pair of feet sporting custom Converses w Big Star logo on the hi-toppermost

dow, Saturday, 13 February 2016 00:45 (5 months ago) Permalink

you know Alex Chilton would have just loved that

PaulTMA, Saturday, 13 February 2016 16:25 (5 months ago) Permalink

Those $70 Shoes...

"Damn the Taquitos" (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 13 February 2016 17:40 (5 months ago) Permalink

Those Pretty Wrongs feat. Jody Stephens of Big Star announces debut LP

STREAM: "Ordinary" -
Pitchfork / SoundCloud

Those Pretty Wrongs are Jody Stephens and Luther Russell, two old friends and veterans of the music scene in different ways.

Jody-as many people in rock and roll (and beyond) know-was the drummer for the legendary band Big Star. He went on to help run the equally legendary studio Ardent in Memphis and play with the endearing troop Golden Smog. Luther Russell was the leader of seminal roots-rock band The Freewheelers and went on to make several acclaimed solo records, as well as produce many important artists over the years. Together they have forged a sound that is brand new for both, yet begets a strangely familiar feeling...

It was the documentary Big Star: Nothing Can Hurt Me that brought Jody and Luther together creatively, when Jody asked Luther to join him for some promotional performances. A chemistry was immediately noticed. They began writing songs and performing them whenever possible, soon taking their name from the opening line of Shakespeare Sonnet 41, which they slipped into one of their first collaborations, "Fool Of Myself". A relationship was soon struck up with underground SoCal label (and two-man revolution) Burger Records when the first track they cut in Memphis, "Lucky Guy", was sent to Sean and Lee, who jumped at the chance to release it as a 7", along with the aforementioned "Fool Of Myself" for the flip side. There was an outpouring of support for the new music, which gave Jody and Luther the confidence to move forward. Regarding how this all came together, Jody declares: "In a word...serendipity. So many of the events that brought Luther and me together were just by chance and born out of the Big Star world. I actually thought we might write three or four songs together for an EP but we just kept writing beyond that. 'Another window opened up and through it' we became Those Pretty Wrongs."

Those Pretty Wrongs was tracked entirely to 2" tape at Ardent in Memphis, using much of the old Big Star gear, including Jody's original kit from Radio City and Third and Chris Bell's acoustic and electric guitars from #1 Record. The album was mixed by Luther Russell and Jason Hiller at Hiller's Electrosound Studios in Los Angeles, CA. Crucially, Jody is way out in front on this release-really for the first time ever-taking all lead vocals and co-writing all of the songs with Luther. The songs range from the elegiac "Lucky Guy"-which some have described as the boy from "Thirteen" all grown up-to the marimba-laced, circus-like "The Cube". Soaring, heart-felt ballads like "Start Again" and "The Heart" mingle with songs with an almost Merseybeat-like combination of simplicity and complexity, such as "I'm For Love" and "Never Goodbye"-a number on which they went for a "busking in the train-station" quality with brushes on the snare and cascading 12-string acoustic guitar. As with all the songs, airy, light harmonies abound, making for a bittersweet sound all their own. Besides tunes with these more self-evident touchstones, there is the baroque rocker "Thrown Away", mod-like jangler "Mystery Trip" and a moment of cinematic grandeur on the exotic, piano-driven "Empty City".

Opener "Ordinary" is really the statement of purpose for the duo. Regarding the song, Luther says: "For me, the song has a message that is very timely in today's age where everyone has to be 'special' and 'different'. It says its okay to be ordinary. That's a beautiful sentiment that Jody came up with...that the space between us all, that connection, is what is extraordinary." With it's shimmering, ascending/descending acoustics and sky-high clusters of harmonies, "Ordinary" was nearly the title-track to the LP, but they opted to self-title it, because it felt like the beginning of something. Through the words on this record Jody opens up about his life, which has been well-documented, but not in this very intimate way. Adds Stephens: "For me the lyrics are a walk through day-to-day emotions and experiences."

Luther lives in Los Angeles and Jody in Memphis, so the commitment had to be strong to persevere in composing these songs and cutting them until they were completely satisfied. Those Pretty Wrongs will be released in May in a unique partnering between the classic Ardent label and the burgeoning Burger Records. No one could be happier than Jody and Luther, who feel that this keeps a family-like feeling to the release. "Why stop now", remarks Luther. "We've wanted to keep this thing sounding and feeling personal from the start because it's extremely personal for both of us." Thus they've tailored every aspect of the project themselves: from producing, writing and playing much of the instrumentation to the design itself (Luther hand-draws the artwork). Those Pretty Wrongs is like a homespun arabesque with a pattern of many lyrical, melodic and harmonic lines to discover. Just like the handmade collage inside the LP, the record is akin to a series of snapshots: of lives present and past, and fleeting moments of simple joy and reflection.

"Those Pretty Wrongs is so much more than the two of us", states Jody affectionately. "We were jump-started by friends who produced the Big Star documentary. Friends have helped book and play with us live and in the studio...not to mention providing the studios. Friends also provided accommodations and encouragement by coming out to hear the music. They have cared. We are grateful for them and hope to make more."


Mar-21 - Melbourne, Australia - Melbourne Recital Centre *
Mar-22 - Sydney, Australia - The Factory *
Mar-23 - Sydney, Australia - Petersham Bowling Club
Mar-24 - Melbourne, Australia - The Gasometer
Mar-26 - Tallarook, Australia - Boogie Festival

dow, Tuesday, 23 February 2016 21:06 (5 months ago) Permalink

4 months pass...

Ardent Studios: 50 years of Music History at The Grammy Museum in L.A.

discussion, performance??
Mot seeing specifics re participants yet yet, but can sign up for fbook updates, follow their twitter feed etc.:

dow, Thursday, 21 July 2016 18:12 (2 days ago) Permalink

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