Is SPIN really circling the drain?

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Does anyone have George Soro's phone number? I've got a proposition for him.(he likes russian teenagers, right?)

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 February 2004 05:04 (9 years ago) Permalink

But what would make it good? Good in terms of reaching an audience while simultaneously pushing the boudaries created by current glossies? Or good meaning finding a niche and a genuinely passionate voice, even if it means obeying certain publishing conventions?

― Helen, Thursday, 26 February 2004 05:06 (9 years ago) Permalink

Chuckie has a page in Esquire now, where he can write about whatever he wants. He's written about basketball there (or maybe it was GQ.)

The only reason I hang onto my subscription is because I keep hoping it will get better. But it's just not.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, if a non-fashion magazine has a fashion spread multiple times a year, the moral compass is long gone.

― don weiner, Thursday, 26 February 2004 05:06 (9 years ago) Permalink

Wait a sec...I know these are people who could lose their jobs, so I don't mean to sound callous. No one wants anyone to lose their jobs or livelihood.

― Helen, Thursday, 26 February 2004 05:08 (9 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, but you almost HAVE to have a fashion spread. No clothing companies will look at you for ad space until you do. It's the way of the game. Lame? Yes. Part of publishing? Unfortunatley.

― Helen, Thursday, 26 February 2004 05:09 (9 years ago) Permalink

My comment was more about Scott's "they are all scared of their own shadows" watering-down, not a grammatical or stylistic complaint.

― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Thursday, 26 February 2004 05:22 (9 years ago) Permalink

What music magazines are good these days? I have no idea.

― Debito (Debito), Thursday, 26 February 2004 05:42 (9 years ago) Permalink

I find the idea that it's "gotten" insular in the last two years sort of mystifying, if only because the typical non-music-geek complaing about Spin is that it's ALWAYS been insular. I mean, five years ago they were writing about turntablism and sound-boys, stuff that, for better or worse, is WAY more insular than rock bands with hooks and attractive frontpeople.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 26 February 2004 07:00 (9 years ago) Permalink

I'm not arguing insularity Andy, they're ambulance-chasing. And driving on the left.

― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Thursday, 26 February 2004 07:29 (9 years ago) Permalink

What's wrong with driving on the left? And I have to say I have no problem with music magazines subsidising their music section with fashion spreads (and the resulting ads), as long as the music section is unaffected. Better that than downgrading your music section by talking about inconsequential musicians in a trite way to bring in a broader audience.

― Jedmond (Jedmond), Thursday, 26 February 2004 07:44 (9 years ago) Permalink

I can't understand Chris Ott's posts on this thread at all.

Except he doesn't like brits?

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 26 February 2004 10:11 (9 years ago) Permalink

SPIN used to be way more New York-ish, with more of a snobby attitude, sort of this subversive nature and snarky editorial that was more SPY than Rolling Stone. I miss that aspect; as SPIN has drifted more and more towards the mainstream, it has lost its sense of identity and verve. Without cheerleading the Strokes and the White Stripes on every issue, they'd barely be hip at all. And that feature where the artist names their influencial albums was a concept blatantly lifted from Blender. The elephant in the room here is that Blender is eating SPIN alive.

I fully understand that embracing "lifestyle" brings in the big advertising dollars (fashion), but in this case it has made the magazine much less enjoyable.

― don weiner, Thursday, 26 February 2004 13:22 (9 years ago) Permalink

Not-as-good-as-it-used-to-be it may be, but give me Spin over Rolling Stone ANY DAY of the week. You?

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Thursday, 26 February 2004 13:34 (9 years ago) Permalink

OTM

― Baaderist (Fabfunk), Thursday, 26 February 2004 13:40 (9 years ago) Permalink

True, but you can say that about any magazine, give me O over Rolling Stone any day of the week.

― Jedmond (Jedmond), Thursday, 26 February 2004 14:02 (9 years ago) Permalink

I prefer Rolling Stone. Music coverage is equally bad in both, but Rolling Stone occasionally has interesting political features.

― Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 26 February 2004 14:39 (9 years ago) Permalink

Magazines suck.

― Jasper Patches (Dating Ikea), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:01 (9 years ago) Permalink

yeah, i agree about R.S. Rollong Stone's non-music reporting/coverage has always been its strong suit.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:02 (9 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, but seeing features on Toby Keith and DMB is just too depressing..

― Baaderist (Fabfunk), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:05 (9 years ago) Permalink

SPIN used to have some really great pieces in the back of the magazine about non-music stuff that were real eye-openers. I haven't seen any good ones lately. What irks me is how the staff has turned itself into celebrity figurines. I read the magazine thinking, "I feel too uncool to be reading this shit." And I'm a frickin writer. I imagine it's incredibly off-putting for some kid in her bedroom.

― Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:14 (9 years ago) Permalink

Remember when Spin had like 10 features about how HIV and AIDS were not causally related? This was late 80s.

― Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:27 (9 years ago) Permalink

Last time I read Spin, Guccione Jr was still at the helm, pimping John Mellencamp. So I guess Hank Rollins and Legs McNeil don't write for 'em anymore either?

I feel old.

― doug watson (solid air), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:32 (9 years ago) Permalink

Well, they still have non-music features, like... "Friendster more addictive than crack!!!"

― Baaderist (Fabfunk), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:35 (9 years ago) Permalink

Celia Farber's AIDS coverage was overall pretty impressive, especially considering the venue.

I agree with you Jeanne that the staff thing is getting annoying; Sia Michel's Letter From the Editor has been completely cloying from minute one (complete with all the "Look at me, I'm at the cool places with the cool people pictures") and the endless pimping of staff tomes is a chore. Spitz' gossip column is unbearable. But I still like the reviews quite a bit.

― don weiner, Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:35 (9 years ago) Permalink

SPIN needs to be put out of its misery. It hasn't mattered since about 1988.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:38 (9 years ago) Permalink

I think it's been even longer than that...

― Jasper Patches (Dating Ikea), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:41 (9 years ago) Permalink

what did Sia Michel do before Spin? I had never heard of her until i saw her picture in Spin.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:55 (9 years ago) Permalink

She was a receptionist somewhere.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:56 (9 years ago) Permalink

Once SPIN lost Legs McNeil and John Leland it was all over (though I still like Klosterman).

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:57 (9 years ago) Permalink

man, Spin hasn't mattered since 1972 when I was reading it

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:58 (9 years ago) Permalink

Don, all "letter from the editor" pieces in any given magazine are like that. It's sort of the purpose. But I know what you mean. The mag feels like a big Friendster publication or something.

― Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:58 (9 years ago) Permalink

really? and then she became the editor in chief of Spin? cool.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:58 (9 years ago) Permalink

Jeanne otm there. "Letter from the Editor" pages are almost universally cringe-worthy (really wanna vomit? Read Alan Light's one from the debut issue of TRACKS).

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:59 (9 years ago) Permalink

i still miss the old details. when it was just pictures of stephen saban on a couch with diane brill.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:00 (9 years ago) Permalink

and i still miss rock scene when it was just pictures of lisa robinson on the couch with joey ramone.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:01 (9 years ago) Permalink

How great would it be if Letter from the Editor *actually* portrayed what went on: "Motherfuckers in the mail room misplaced the press kit for the new Dinkie Bubble album so that fucked shit up royally. And don't get me started on motherfuckin' Hack McInkspot handing his review A WEEK LATE. Thanks, assmonger, it's not like we're on DEADLINE or anything..."

That would rule.

― Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:03 (9 years ago) Permalink

the offensiveness of "Letter to the Editor" is nothing compared to the "Making Out with UltraGrrl". i just want to rip that page out every month and forcibly shove it down the throat ofd the next pseudo-hipster i see.

SPIN was a godsend for me in high school (1990-1994), living out on a farm in the middle of central Illinois. sure it wasn't all that subversive or underground, but to someone raised on country and Top 40 it was a whole new world. i still pick up an issue from time to time, mostly because it's more affordable than the import prices on the decent British mags. but i'm always wondering why.

― jonviachicago, Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:05 (9 years ago) Permalink

Hack McInkspot!! Ha Ha, i've got a new nom de plume. thanks, Jeanne!

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:05 (9 years ago) Permalink

It's true that most Letters From the Editor are unbearable, but I don't remember as many celebs-with-editor pictures as the Michel years have produced...maybe the Bobby Jr. years had the same thing but I can't remember anymore.

While we're on the subject of Tracks, I can't believe how lifeless and personality-free it is.

The UltraGrrl thing is awful. I'd forgotten about that.

Gawker calls Details "The gay magazine for straight men" or something like that. Classic.

― don weiner, Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:24 (9 years ago) Permalink

Sia does seem especially intent on telegraphing her celeb-compatibility. Still, Guccionne Jr. wasn't that different.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:26 (9 years ago) Permalink

Did Tracks just steal their whole idea for a magazine from Harp?

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:52 (9 years ago) Permalink

i agree about R.S. Rollong Stone's non-music reporting/coverage has always been its strong suit.

What? You mean the non-music journalism about the NYC guy with the biggest penis in the world or people who make living room speed and eat it until their teeth fall out?

I'd call it the white-trash beat for voyeurs but not hard-hitting or strong.

― George Smith, Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:53 (9 years ago) Permalink

Remember when Spin had like 10 features about how HIV and AIDS were not causally related?

Yes, SPIN, supporter of whackos and rubbish science.

― George Smith, Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:58 (9 years ago) Permalink

Killer email ady...CompuServe is still going?

― Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 26 February 2004 17:10 (9 years ago) Permalink

>>> Remember when Spin had like 10 features about how HIV and AIDS were not causally related?

Remember when Foo Fighters and Dave Grohl were pushing this agenda, playing benefit shows for that wacko group "Alive and Well." That was insane... I wonder if they still support that cause.

That said, I think Spin is perfect. I expect nothing more. Each issue lasts me exactly one lunch break, once a month, where I look at the pretty pictures as I eat some soup.

― Ben Boyer (Ben Boyer), Thursday, 26 February 2004 17:40 (9 years ago) Permalink

it really ws better two or three years ago but its still ok

― $$, Thursday, 26 February 2004 17:42 (9 years ago) Permalink

is anything in your world as good as it was in 1988, alex? anything? if you love 1988 so much why don't you go live there

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 26 February 2004 17:54 (9 years ago) Permalink

What's up your ass?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 26 February 2004 18:32 (9 years ago) Permalink

George, they've had better stuff than the dude with the big penis in Rolling Stone! Now, come on. I mean all those killer white trash kids! Don't forget about them. They were great. when i was 16 i had a picture of ricky kasso on my bedroom wall right next to a huge piece of paper with the chemical formula for LSD on it.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 February 2004 18:45 (9 years ago) Permalink

that sounded harsher than i meant it to, alex, but seriously you go on about how everything's gone downhill since 1988 so often!

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 26 February 2004 18:48 (9 years ago) Permalink

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I count 15 articles published by Spin in May that meet a basic definition of "reported music feature". I will say that that's a higher number than I expected—the site's design and navigation are so awful that a lot of the best content gets buried—so the quote isn't quite as preposterous as I initially thought it was. But an admittedly cursory look around shows that that's still a lower rate than the Guardian, the LA Times, the Village Voice, the Chicago Tribune, NPR, New York/Vulture, Vice, and Rolling Stone. It's roughly equal to Pitchfork.

I love Spin, though. The fact that in almost thirty years it's never not been in total financial and editorial disarray is part of its charm.

― dissociative, Friday, 31 May 2013 07:43 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

the village voice hasn't had anything that meets the defn of "reported" in its section in years, much less the space to do a "feature".

― stefon taylor swiftboat (s.clover), Friday, 31 May 2013 13:18 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

i know ILX is Pedantland, but when I said "reported music feature," I meant long stories with multiple sources like our feature on the final days of Bleecker Bob's or our look at music in the prison system, not phoners with bands.

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 31 May 2013 13:30 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

that's still a lower rate than the Guardian, the LA Times, the Village Voice, the Chicago Tribune, NPR, New York/Vulture, Vice, and Rolling Stone.

lol

― J0rdan S., Friday, 31 May 2013 13:46 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Spin CEO Steve Hansen is marking his turf I guess

http://www.spinmedia.com/the-team/

Prior to joining SpinMedia in 2012, Hansen helped revolutionize the retail automotive industry as President and Chief Operating Officer of TrueCar, Inc., where he led technology, product development, business intelligence, strategy and administration at the groundbreaking company.

― curmudgeon, Friday, 31 May 2013 13:53 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

xp No you don't understand - all those publications only do phoners with bands.

― Deafening silence (DL), Friday, 31 May 2013 13:55 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Before TrueCar, Steve held titles of COO, CFO and CAO at then-industry-leading online community GeoCities and oversaw the online community through its IPO and landmark $5 billion sale to Yahoo!

maybe one day spin can reach the heights of geocities

― iatee, Friday, 31 May 2013 13:56 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

That Bleecker Bobs piece was excellent.

― guy fieri with shit streaming down his nostrils (stevie), Friday, 31 May 2013 14:34 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

All CEOs are Col. Cargills in these bad times

― Drugs A. Money, Friday, 31 May 2013 14:41 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

i know ILX is Pedantland, but when I said "reported music feature," I meant long stories with multiple sources like our feature on the final days of Bleecker Bob's or our look at music in the prison system, not phoners with bands.

makes sense. that music warden article is fascinating.

― wk, Friday, 31 May 2013 15:51 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

features on a record store going out of business and music in the prison system, weird that vision didn't pay off

― balls, Friday, 31 May 2013 16:23 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

I enjoyed reading that prison one just now

― Algerian Goalkeeper, Friday, 31 May 2013 18:00 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

You're such a jackass "balls"

― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Friday, 31 May 2013 22:34 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Friday, 31 May 2013 22:35 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

is that really the best google image search you got from 'balls'

― iatee, Friday, 31 May 2013 22:36 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

game-related lolz of some fashion

― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Friday, 31 May 2013 22:37 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

game-related ballz of some fashion

― how's life, Friday, 31 May 2013 22:51 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

You're such a jackass "balls"

― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Friday, May 31, 2013 5:34 PM (55 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 31 May 2013 23:36 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

if that is your real name

― stefon taylor swiftboat (s.clover), Saturday, 1 June 2013 00:08 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

― christmas candy bar (al leong), Saturday, 1 June 2013 03:28 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

you'd think brazil nuts would be waxed or in a shell

― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 1 June 2013 04:59 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

WDYBLL

― unfinest DN (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 1 June 2013 19:18 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

"Spin Magazine, which shuttered its print edition in December 2012, is coming back to print. Hansen believes there’s a four-issue-per-year model that he thinks he can make work."

http://www.digiday.com/publishers/spin-medias-moving-forward/

― maura, Monday, 17 June 2013 20:20 (2 days ago) Permalink

Can I send these fucking Car & Drivers back and get the rest of my SPIN sub?

― shohreh aja/danteloo (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 17 June 2013 20:24 (2 days ago) Permalink

hahaha

― markers, Monday, 17 June 2013 20:24 (2 days ago) Permalink

Hansen said Lucid is setting up the company to get into the craze that’s sweeping the industry: advertising content. But unlike most other media properties, Spin Media’s version of advertising content will have editorial doing the heavy lifting for brands.
“We’ll never win a Pulitzer Prize,” Hansen said. “Celebrity content is a commodity. The key is what you do with it. You have to delineate between what’s edit content and sponsored content, but do that in a way with a distinction that does not decrease the editorial experience.”
This service, called “Spin Productions,” is a dedicated creative team that’s integrated with editorial. When it comes to advertising, the company believes if a publisher can contextually integrate advertising with content, higher levels of performance, and, yes, higher CPMs will follow.

ugh god gross

― shohreh aja/danteloo (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 17 June 2013 20:26 (2 days ago) Permalink

Q: Is SPIN really circling the drain?
A: Yes.

― shohreh aja/danteloo (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 17 June 2013 20:26 (2 days ago) Permalink

SPIN is the drain

― temporarily embarassed millionaire (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 17 June 2013 20:31 (2 days ago) Permalink

"We'll never win a Pulitzer Prize" -- truer words have never been spoken

― geeta, Monday, 17 June 2013 20:36 (2 days ago) Permalink

maybe they'll start a pulitzer for best sponsored content

― iatee, Monday, 17 June 2013 20:38 (2 days ago) Permalink

"Celebrity content is a commodity. The key is what you do with it" = "We devalue real writing. We are talentless advertising-hungry hacks who will run this publication into the ground as fast as possible and then cash out"

― geeta, Monday, 17 June 2013 20:44 (2 days ago) Permalink

Doing print issues again after they tossed the editor and announced their intent to "contextually integrate advertising with content"...No thanks Mr. TruCar/Geo-Cities guy

― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 18 June 2013 13:54 (Yesterday) Permalink

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