Is SPIN really circling the drain?

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scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 February 2004 05:04 (11 years ago) Permalink

But what would make it good? Good in terms of reaching an audience while simultaneously pushing the boudaries created by current glossies? Or good meaning finding a niche and a genuinely passionate voice, even if it means obeying certain publishing conventions?

Helen, Thursday, 26 February 2004 05:06 (11 years ago) Permalink

Chuckie has a page in Esquire now, where he can write about whatever he wants. He's written about basketball there (or maybe it was GQ.)

The only reason I hang onto my subscription is because I keep hoping it will get better. But it's just not.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, if a non-fashion magazine has a fashion spread multiple times a year, the moral compass is long gone.

don weiner, Thursday, 26 February 2004 05:06 (11 years ago) Permalink

Wait a sec...I know these are people who could lose their jobs, so I don't mean to sound callous. No one wants anyone to lose their jobs or livelihood.

Helen, Thursday, 26 February 2004 05:08 (11 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, but you almost HAVE to have a fashion spread. No clothing companies will look at you for ad space until you do. It's the way of the game. Lame? Yes. Part of publishing? Unfortunatley.

Helen, Thursday, 26 February 2004 05:09 (11 years ago) Permalink

My comment was more about Scott's "they are all scared of their own shadows" watering-down, not a grammatical or stylistic complaint.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Thursday, 26 February 2004 05:22 (11 years ago) Permalink

What music magazines are good these days? I have no idea.

Debito (Debito), Thursday, 26 February 2004 05:42 (11 years ago) Permalink

I find the idea that it's "gotten" insular in the last two years sort of mystifying, if only because the typical non-music-geek complaing about Spin is that it's ALWAYS been insular. I mean, five years ago they were writing about turntablism and sound-boys, stuff that, for better or worse, is WAY more insular than rock bands with hooks and attractive frontpeople.

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 26 February 2004 07:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

I'm not arguing insularity Andy, they're ambulance-chasing. And driving on the left.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Thursday, 26 February 2004 07:29 (11 years ago) Permalink

What's wrong with driving on the left? And I have to say I have no problem with music magazines subsidising their music section with fashion spreads (and the resulting ads), as long as the music section is unaffected. Better that than downgrading your music section by talking about inconsequential musicians in a trite way to bring in a broader audience.

Jedmond (Jedmond), Thursday, 26 February 2004 07:44 (11 years ago) Permalink

I can't understand Chris Ott's posts on this thread at all.

Except he doesn't like brits?

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 26 February 2004 10:11 (11 years ago) Permalink

SPIN used to be way more New York-ish, with more of a snobby attitude, sort of this subversive nature and snarky editorial that was more SPY than Rolling Stone. I miss that aspect; as SPIN has drifted more and more towards the mainstream, it has lost its sense of identity and verve. Without cheerleading the Strokes and the White Stripes on every issue, they'd barely be hip at all. And that feature where the artist names their influencial albums was a concept blatantly lifted from Blender. The elephant in the room here is that Blender is eating SPIN alive.

I fully understand that embracing "lifestyle" brings in the big advertising dollars (fashion), but in this case it has made the magazine much less enjoyable.

don weiner, Thursday, 26 February 2004 13:22 (11 years ago) Permalink

Not-as-good-as-it-used-to-be it may be, but give me Spin over Rolling Stone ANY DAY of the week. You?

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Thursday, 26 February 2004 13:34 (11 years ago) Permalink

OTM

Baaderist (Fabfunk), Thursday, 26 February 2004 13:40 (11 years ago) Permalink

True, but you can say that about any magazine, give me O over Rolling Stone any day of the week.

Jedmond (Jedmond), Thursday, 26 February 2004 14:02 (11 years ago) Permalink

I prefer Rolling Stone. Music coverage is equally bad in both, but Rolling Stone occasionally has interesting political features.

Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 26 February 2004 14:39 (11 years ago) Permalink

Magazines suck.

Jasper Patches (Dating Ikea), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:01 (11 years ago) Permalink

yeah, i agree about R.S. Rollong Stone's non-music reporting/coverage has always been its strong suit.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:02 (11 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, but seeing features on Toby Keith and DMB is just too depressing..

Baaderist (Fabfunk), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:05 (11 years ago) Permalink

SPIN used to have some really great pieces in the back of the magazine about non-music stuff that were real eye-openers. I haven't seen any good ones lately. What irks me is how the staff has turned itself into celebrity figurines. I read the magazine thinking, "I feel too uncool to be reading this shit." And I'm a frickin writer. I imagine it's incredibly off-putting for some kid in her bedroom.

Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:14 (11 years ago) Permalink

Remember when Spin had like 10 features about how HIV and AIDS were not causally related? This was late 80s.

Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:27 (11 years ago) Permalink

Last time I read Spin, Guccione Jr was still at the helm, pimping John Mellencamp. So I guess Hank Rollins and Legs McNeil don't write for 'em anymore either?

I feel old.

doug watson (solid air), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:32 (11 years ago) Permalink

Well, they still have non-music features, like... "Friendster more addictive than crack!!!"

Baaderist (Fabfunk), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:35 (11 years ago) Permalink

Celia Farber's AIDS coverage was overall pretty impressive, especially considering the venue.

I agree with you Jeanne that the staff thing is getting annoying; Sia Michel's Letter From the Editor has been completely cloying from minute one (complete with all the "Look at me, I'm at the cool places with the cool people pictures") and the endless pimping of staff tomes is a chore. Spitz' gossip column is unbearable. But I still like the reviews quite a bit.

don weiner, Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:35 (11 years ago) Permalink

SPIN needs to be put out of its misery. It hasn't mattered since about 1988.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:38 (11 years ago) Permalink

I think it's been even longer than that...

Jasper Patches (Dating Ikea), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:41 (11 years ago) Permalink

what did Sia Michel do before Spin? I had never heard of her until i saw her picture in Spin.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:55 (11 years ago) Permalink

She was a receptionist somewhere.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:56 (11 years ago) Permalink

Once SPIN lost Legs McNeil and John Leland it was all over (though I still like Klosterman).

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:57 (11 years ago) Permalink

man, Spin hasn't mattered since 1972 when I was reading it

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:58 (11 years ago) Permalink

Don, all "letter from the editor" pieces in any given magazine are like that. It's sort of the purpose. But I know what you mean. The mag feels like a big Friendster publication or something.

Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:58 (11 years ago) Permalink

really? and then she became the editor in chief of Spin? cool.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:58 (11 years ago) Permalink

Jeanne otm there. "Letter from the Editor" pages are almost universally cringe-worthy (really wanna vomit? Read Alan Light's one from the debut issue of TRACKS).

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:59 (11 years ago) Permalink

i still miss the old details. when it was just pictures of stephen saban on a couch with diane brill.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

and i still miss rock scene when it was just pictures of lisa robinson on the couch with joey ramone.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:01 (11 years ago) Permalink

How great would it be if Letter from the Editor *actually* portrayed what went on: "Motherfuckers in the mail room misplaced the press kit for the new Dinkie Bubble album so that fucked shit up royally. And don't get me started on motherfuckin' Hack McInkspot handing his review A WEEK LATE. Thanks, assmonger, it's not like we're on DEADLINE or anything..."

That would rule.

Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:03 (11 years ago) Permalink

the offensiveness of "Letter to the Editor" is nothing compared to the "Making Out with UltraGrrl". i just want to rip that page out every month and forcibly shove it down the throat ofd the next pseudo-hipster i see.

SPIN was a godsend for me in high school (1990-1994), living out on a farm in the middle of central Illinois. sure it wasn't all that subversive or underground, but to someone raised on country and Top 40 it was a whole new world. i still pick up an issue from time to time, mostly because it's more affordable than the import prices on the decent British mags. but i'm always wondering why.

jonviachicago, Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:05 (11 years ago) Permalink

Hack McInkspot!! Ha Ha, i've got a new nom de plume. thanks, Jeanne!

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:05 (11 years ago) Permalink

It's true that most Letters From the Editor are unbearable, but I don't remember as many celebs-with-editor pictures as the Michel years have produced...maybe the Bobby Jr. years had the same thing but I can't remember anymore.

While we're on the subject of Tracks, I can't believe how lifeless and personality-free it is.

The UltraGrrl thing is awful. I'd forgotten about that.

Gawker calls Details "The gay magazine for straight men" or something like that. Classic.

don weiner, Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:24 (11 years ago) Permalink

Sia does seem especially intent on telegraphing her celeb-compatibility. Still, Guccionne Jr. wasn't that different.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:26 (11 years ago) Permalink

Did Tracks just steal their whole idea for a magazine from Harp?

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:52 (11 years ago) Permalink

i agree about R.S. Rollong Stone's non-music reporting/coverage has always been its strong suit.

What? You mean the non-music journalism about the NYC guy with the biggest penis in the world or people who make living room speed and eat it until their teeth fall out?

I'd call it the white-trash beat for voyeurs but not hard-hitting or strong.

George Smith, Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:53 (11 years ago) Permalink

Remember when Spin had like 10 features about how HIV and AIDS were not causally related?

Yes, SPIN, supporter of whackos and rubbish science.

George Smith, Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:58 (11 years ago) Permalink

Killer email ady...CompuServe is still going?

Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 26 February 2004 17:10 (11 years ago) Permalink

>>> Remember when Spin had like 10 features about how HIV and AIDS were not causally related?

Remember when Foo Fighters and Dave Grohl were pushing this agenda, playing benefit shows for that wacko group "Alive and Well." That was insane... I wonder if they still support that cause.

That said, I think Spin is perfect. I expect nothing more. Each issue lasts me exactly one lunch break, once a month, where I look at the pretty pictures as I eat some soup.

Ben Boyer (Ben Boyer), Thursday, 26 February 2004 17:40 (11 years ago) Permalink

it really ws better two or three years ago but its still ok

$$, Thursday, 26 February 2004 17:42 (11 years ago) Permalink

is anything in your world as good as it was in 1988, alex? anything? if you love 1988 so much why don't you go live there

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 26 February 2004 17:54 (11 years ago) Permalink

What's up your ass?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 26 February 2004 18:32 (11 years ago) Permalink

George, they've had better stuff than the dude with the big penis in Rolling Stone! Now, come on. I mean all those killer white trash kids! Don't forget about them. They were great. when i was 16 i had a picture of ricky kasso on my bedroom wall right next to a huge piece of paper with the chemical formula for LSD on it.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 February 2004 18:45 (11 years ago) Permalink

that sounded harsher than i meant it to, alex, but seriously you go on about how everything's gone downhill since 1988 so often!

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 26 February 2004 18:48 (11 years ago) Permalink

Spin dissolved and formed a new company, really doubting any NDA from ca. 2001 would hold

lil dork (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 20 July 2015 18:57 (1 month ago) Permalink

the talk of spin threatening billing him for 16k in chapter ten would probably be scarier if i didn't know he'd live to tell the tale

da croupier, Monday, 20 July 2015 19:10 (1 month ago) Permalink

should've added a frame story

'i found these tweets in an abandoned paris walkup, they purport to be by one j. dark'

j., Monday, 20 July 2015 19:30 (1 month ago) Permalink

I hope the twist is that he was Jojo Dancer all along

da croupier, Monday, 20 July 2015 19:32 (1 month ago) Permalink

loved the jojodancer drop in the middle of that stream. so inside-baseball

where the sterls have no name (s.clover), Monday, 20 July 2015 19:33 (1 month ago) Permalink

should put the next chapter behind a paywall and make people PROVE they think this is epic

da croupier, Monday, 20 July 2015 19:35 (1 month ago) Permalink

behind the wall

the garbage of paris

j., Monday, 20 July 2015 19:36 (1 month ago) Permalink

and HOW did I escape their clutches and live to list my favorite albums - or rather, jane's - on a blog? Hear the remainder of the tale on my bandcamp.

da croupier, Monday, 20 July 2015 19:40 (1 month ago) Permalink

i thought that jane dark stuff was so funny way back when.

scott seward, Monday, 20 July 2015 19:52 (1 month ago) Permalink

GWB has told us that we need to shop for America

Man I forgot all about this, what a load of horsecrap.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 21 July 2015 02:07 (1 month ago) Permalink

The first thing president does is make sure the people at the very top are reassured we are spending money like/cos its our civic duty.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 21 July 2015 02:09 (1 month ago) Permalink

He really doesn't like Charles Aaron.

― self-clowning oven (Murgatroid),

he doesn't like anyone. Per Gessle maybe.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 21 July 2015 02:38 (1 month ago) Permalink

for someone who didn't like charles aaron he sure didn't mind biting his style at the time

balls, Tuesday, 21 July 2015 02:39 (1 month ago) Permalink

I'm not really buying tweets 171-174 where he says he's being punished to the tune of 16k for a tossed off line in a Coup review.

lil dork (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 July 2015 02:54 (1 month ago) Permalink

That's not the end. Here's the whole thing:

https://twitter.com/bookofriot Haven't talked to him in a while but congenial etc also a really good poet

dow, Tuesday, 21 July 2015 13:39 (1 month ago) Permalink

I'm saying I'm not really buying the narrative that SPIN pursued the $16k out of some sense of malice for what he said in that review, as opposed to like, the many other reasons a company might pursue money from someone

lil dork (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 July 2015 15:01 (1 month ago) Permalink

Yeah, somebody else might (may) tell it quite differently, and even in his version, looks like everything turned out okay (oops spoiler).

dow, Tuesday, 21 July 2015 20:49 (1 month ago) Permalink

https://twitter.com/1000timesyes/status/623123039950098432

― lil dork (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, July 20, 2015 11:14 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

loooool

WE WANT FET WAP (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 00:36 (1 month ago) Permalink

I have not thought abt that song in like 15 yrs

WE WANT FET WAP (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 00:36 (1 month ago) Permalink

Thank you for giving the hearty lol I thought that tweet deserved. I got one RT total on that!

lil dork (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 01:41 (1 month ago) Permalink

what can i say, i love aaron carter

insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 01:42 (1 month ago) Permalink

dude, you totally were watching that on the Bad at Rap thread weren't u

you are extreme, Patti LuPone. (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 04:08 (1 month ago) Permalink

Of course!

lil dork (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 04:21 (1 month ago) Permalink

<3

you are extreme, Patti LuPone. (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 04:44 (1 month ago) Permalink

whiney that was a good tweet

balls, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 05:51 (1 month ago) Permalink

it's all iconclastic poet michael robbins' fault!

https://twitter.com/alienvsrobbins/status/622570735211520000

scott seward, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 15:42 (1 month ago) Permalink

what isn't

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 15:56 (1 month ago) Permalink

This guy sounds like an unbelievable tool.

nabisco mr snrub OTM

got the club going UP on a tuesday (m coleman), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 16:01 (1 month ago) Permalink

it's all iconclastic poet michael robbins' fault!

https://twitter.com/alienvsrobbins/status/622570735211520000

― scott seward, Wednesday, July 22, 2015 11:42 AM (29 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

what isn't

― Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, July 22, 2015 11:56 AM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol

maura, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 16:11 (1 month ago) Permalink

I stay with a friend in Stuyvesant Town, 20th & First in Manhattan. It's near the best bagel shop in the world, now closed

truth bomb.

fact checking cuz, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 17:10 (1 month ago) Permalink

Don't look for it etc etc

Credit: howtokeepapositiveattitudedotcom (stevie), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 18:15 (1 month ago) Permalink

it's all iconclastic poet michael robbins' fault!
https://twitter.com/alienvsrobbins/status/622570735211520000

― scott seward, Wednesday, July 22, 2015 11:42 AM (29 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

tbh this framing story is my favorite part

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 19:04 (1 month ago) Permalink


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