Lansing-Dreiden-The Incomplete Triangle:Album Of The Year?

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It could have been really good without that awful guitar sound.

snowballing (snowballing), Thursday, 28 July 2005 07:16 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh dear, maybe not then. What's wrong with the guitar sound?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 28 July 2005 07:22 (eighteen years ago) link

It wants to make them look harder than they really are.

snowballing (snowballing), Thursday, 28 July 2005 07:30 (eighteen years ago) link

i love this album!

huell howser (chaki), Thursday, 28 July 2005 08:38 (eighteen years ago) link

this should go on the "bad reviews that make you want to hear the record" thread:
http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/record-reviews/l/lansing-dreiden/incomplete-triangle.shtml

it's a scam!!

jermaine (jnoble), Thursday, 28 July 2005 08:44 (eighteen years ago) link

What did you expect? It's Ott.

The A Sectioned Beam EP is also quite good, if you're looking for a taste before trying the album.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Thursday, 28 July 2005 08:57 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, i'm not really surprised, just slightly amused that the "don't enjoy this, you're being FULED" thing still pops up now and again.

as for the lansing-dreiden-artband-spectacular, i listened to the "glass corridor" mp3 on their site, and it's rather nice.

jermaine (jnoble), Thursday, 28 July 2005 09:13 (eighteen years ago) link

we talk about the ott review on this other thread:

Article Response: Lansing-Dreiden - 'The Incomplete Triangle'

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 28 July 2005 09:52 (eighteen years ago) link

seven months pass...
New album coming in May! I actually responded to spam to make sure i get a promo which is something, remarkably, given how much spam i receive, i rarely ever do. in other words, I iz anticipating this album!

Hyperbolic and possibly untrue press-notes to follow:


"Lansing-Dreiden enters 2006 with The Dividing Island, an album that realizes the company's potential in new, transcendent ways. The Dividing Island is Lansing-Dreiden's second full-length album and it will be out May 9th. Its first full-length, The Incomplete Triangle, was self-released in 2003 and was hailed in the pages of Spin Magazine as "dreamy space rock... with a psychedelic metal twist." The Incomplete Triangle was followed by an EP, A Sectioned Beam, praised by Time Out New York as "an airtight example of textbook pop perfection." Both titles were reissued by Kemado Records in 2004.

With The Dividing Island, Lansing-Dreiden explores the theme of division. The titular island divides; the album's lyrics and music point at this process from various angles, illustrating the emergence of two sides, and a line in between. This scenario appears simple enough, but is deceptively so-in the world depicted by Lansing-Dreiden, division and duality are not necessarily states of distinct sides. Progression and regression intermingle, ascension and descension flip-flop. Against this complex landscape, Lansing-Dreiden builds a brilliant and perplexing album, one possessing a wealth of possible interpretations.

What is the dividing island? The album's lyrics paint a picture not of a specific place, but of a general, nebulous state of opposition; yet out of this abstract milieu, concrete meanings may also be derived. "Cement to Stone" and "A Line You Can Cross" -two songs whose lyrics tell of edges, angles, and horizon lines-both feature dueling vocals, lows and highs, suggesting accounts of the lines between men and women. "One For All" and "Dethroning The Optimyth" conjure images of war by way of lines like "Twin black wings descend on me/ Finish me," against others such as "Much before the sword's satisfied/ You can make the whole thing right."

Musically, the theme of division is set forth in the opening track, "Dividing Island," which consists of two completely contrasting sections, sharing only lyrical and melodic phrases. This song begins with lush, languid waves of psychedelia, breaking abruptly into an exuberant, exhilarating call-to-arms. If these two parts represent the two halves of a dividing whole -a dividing island-Lansing-Dreiden reunites the island, revealing the oneness of the parts by using them to build a cohesive, infectious song.

This pattern pervades The Dividing Island. Many of the album's songs weave disparate musical elements into intensely familiar yet uncategorizable wholes. The modern mixes with the archaic, the known with the unknown. On "One For All," a traditional pop/R&B song is layered with darker sounds, alien to that genre -ominous chords, ghostly harmonies, and a recurring drum sample evoking the sound of gunfire. "Dethroning The Optimyth" tempers a power-metal assault with angelic vocals. Elsewhere, jangly guitar hooks are soured by dissonant keyboard swells; electronic cadences rattle along beside acoustic drum breaks; vocals soar, warm and emotive yet mysteriously veiled. Culling irresistible sounds from rock, pop, R&B, soul, metal, and beyond, Lansing-Dreiden reconfigures the divided into unpredictable, utterly unique sums.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 3 March 2006 20:58 (eighteen years ago) link

So in otherwards, the Boo Radleys? *hides*

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 3 March 2006 20:59 (eighteen years ago) link

"Much before the sword's satisfied/ You can make the whole thing right."


This is obviously a hidden message to Kemado Records: Don't spend too much money on The Sword! Our album is really cool too!


scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 3 March 2006 21:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Does it make it sound like a Boo Radleys record? Were they R&B psychedelia? I can barely remember. I always get them mixed up with Teeage Fanclub.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 3 March 2006 21:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, this bit:

Culling irresistible sounds from rock, pop, R&B, soul, metal, and beyond

...might as well have been a PR release point from them circa 1995.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 3 March 2006 21:02 (eighteen years ago) link

The description makes it sound like it could be a complete mess, but these dudes are really UN-messy. So tidy and geometrical. So i'm not scared.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 3 March 2006 21:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Ned, did you ever hear the last album?

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 3 March 2006 21:06 (eighteen years ago) link

I did! It was enjoyable but I can't say I felt greatly moved beyond that.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 3 March 2006 21:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Yay, looking forward to this, too. Two in one day!

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 3 March 2006 21:17 (eighteen years ago) link

The album's lyrics paint a picture not of a specific place, but of a general, nebulous state of opposition; yet out of this abstract milieu, concrete meanings may also be derived.

MY EYES ARE BURNING

"The Incomplete Triangle" was really good though, so I still want to hear the new one. More Boo Radleys, less "Movement"-era New Order sounds accurate.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Friday, 3 March 2006 21:20 (eighteen years ago) link

the album name and "concept" are giving me flashbacks to 90's pink floyd.

bell labs (bell_labs), Friday, 3 March 2006 21:43 (eighteen years ago) link

i really enjoyed the incomplete triangle. it had this chameleonic, zeligesque quality where a band sounds so much like other bands that it is original again. it's almost like they started where others ended and made something new. as if they took up golden earring, new order, gang of four, the beach boys etc. when they were on their apex and topped them. they are a little bit like a supernova that explodes in a million different directions. i don't know any other contemporary group like that. i am curious about the new one.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Friday, 3 March 2006 22:24 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...
Was supposed to come out next week. Anyone heard it?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 01:13 (seventeen years ago) link

someone was supposed to send me a copy, but they never did. i will buy it though like a true fan.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 02:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Coincidence! Didn't get response from label re. promo so sent band themselves an email today and signed it, "Your fan."

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 04:48 (seventeen years ago) link

haha, the band sent me an e-mail and i told them that i couldn't wait to hear it and i got a copy today. they really liked the review i wrote of the first album. as well they should! i put more than my usual ten minutes into it. maybe even 20 or 30! and i wrote it for free! on the internet!

anyway, it's good! the first song is killer. as is the last song. i need to dig into it more. the production is great. lots of cool sounds dropping in and out of the mix. i think you'll like it, tim. i need to listen more though.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 03:47 (seventeen years ago) link

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Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 05:18 (seventeen years ago) link

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Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 05:18 (seventeen years ago) link

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Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 05:18 (seventeen years ago) link

YAY!!

city of gyros (chaki), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 05:35 (seventeen years ago) link

Listening to The Dividing Island right now... Reminds me a LOT of Not Drowning, Waving.

LOL Thomas (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 13:05 (seventeen years ago) link

entertainment weekly called the new album "yacht-rocky"

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 13:41 (seventeen years ago) link

new album is bummer to the max

kevin barking (arghargh), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:36 (seventeen years ago) link

"Derivative to the point of originality," says Zach Baron in Village Voice piece about live show. I'm not satisfied with that analysis, but I think there is some truth to it.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 25 May 2006 01:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Both assertions in the whole sentence are cryptic: "Derivative to the point of originality, their music made Reagan-era familiar sonics strange."

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 25 May 2006 02:21 (seventeen years ago) link


L-D Section II Tour Dates
6/9 Washington, DC @ Black Cat (w/ !!!)
6/10 Philadelphia, PA @ Transit (w/ !!!)
6/19 Seattle, WA @ Chop Suey (SOLD OUT)
6/20 Portland, OR @ Doug Fir Lounge (w/ The Black Angels)
6/22 San Francisco, CA @ The Independent (w/ The Black Angels)
6/24 Los Angeles, CA @ Troubadour (w/ The Black Angels)
6/30 New York, NY @ Bowery Ballroom (w/ Grizzly Bear)

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 25 May 2006 17:04 (seventeen years ago) link

The Dividing Island is pretty interesting, as in they don't quite sound like anyone else right now. I find the production and the use of effects somewhat obscure the impact of the songs. Gratuitous use of reverb, perhaps? I need to listen more.

But after two listens, none of the melodies or arrangements stick with me. I can't really remember anything about the album. This could very well be one of those slow growers, but I have a feeling that the overall hazy aura that surrounds these tracks might be detracting from the songs.

But still, tons of ambition. Which really counts for something these days. And not that Sufjan Stevens/Clap Your Hands Say Yeah parade rock ambition. This is the ambition you heard in Prefab Sprout and China Crisis records.

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Thursday, 25 May 2006 17:32 (seventeen years ago) link

it's a weird record. and one that is hard to get a handle on. you can bring up every 80's synth act in the world, but there is still something indescribable about the mood of the thing. it is strangely muffled at times. almost dubby. but that's not it either! i think i'll listen again now.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 25 May 2006 18:09 (seventeen years ago) link

i shall listen too, scottie

cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 25 May 2006 18:13 (seventeen years ago) link

it's funny, i got the new scott walker album and i "get" that record more than this one. i mean, if you have listened to tilt enough times, or even climate of hunter, you can kinda see what he is aiming for, even if it is difficult to explain sometimes. this record, i don't know what it's aiming for at times! and it's not difficult to listen to. i was never very good at math. all the songs are about geometry.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 25 May 2006 18:13 (seventeen years ago) link

the third track, "a line you can cross", is truly fucking bizarre

cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 25 May 2006 18:24 (seventeen years ago) link

production very similar to hounds of love, also

cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 25 May 2006 18:24 (seventeen years ago) link

they have a video for a line you can cross on the kemado site, but i can't get it to work. i gotta go try the other computer.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 25 May 2006 19:26 (seventeen years ago) link

i can't get it to work on lansing-dreiden's website either. they probably use some futuristic version of quicktime that i am too slow to know about.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 25 May 2006 19:28 (seventeen years ago) link

i hope the live show is good!

chaki (chaki), Thursday, 25 May 2006 19:30 (seventeen years ago) link

i don't think they actually play their own music live. i think they get other people to do it:



"The Dividing Island is Lansing-Dreiden's second full-length album, just recently released May 9th on Kemado Records. Live, L-D Section II are astonishing and refreshing, especially with their new line up bringing hints of shoegazed synth pop struts with new lead singers Sect and Ion. L-D Section I, a 9-pc band that performed Lansing-Dreiden's music in a live setting had sold-out shows in New York, Seattle, and Austin. This will also mark the debut of L-D Section II playing in selected cities."

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 25 May 2006 22:17 (seventeen years ago) link

I think it dwarfs the first album a bit, maturity-wise.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 25 May 2006 22:42 (seventeen years ago) link

this band is weirder than I thought, i guess...I still haven't heard the new one, but the first one is quite good. the vocals sound like the Hollies!

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 25 May 2006 22:43 (seventeen years ago) link

drugs don't do this justice

yours fondly, harshaw. (mrgn), Thursday, 25 May 2006 22:48 (seventeen years ago) link

"i don't think they actually play their own music live. i think they get other people to do it:"

well, duh, i finally actually read the voice live review that tim linked to. looks cool. and i like that review.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 26 May 2006 14:55 (seventeen years ago) link

omg i am getting matos fired from emusic.com for slandering me in print one year ago this is an outrage.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Friday, 26 May 2006 15:37 (seventeen years ago) link

First two tracks, Guillotine and Rainbow Skies are my favourite so far

imago, Friday, 9 March 2018 14:38 (six years ago) link

L-D always struck me as a really good way to plunder the 80s - by making it uncanny and intense. There's so much dull 80s plundering at the moment so it's nice Jorge has come back

imago, Friday, 9 March 2018 14:39 (six years ago) link

none of the other 80s-apers had that kind of production that L-D had. it made their sound more mythical somehow. it was kinda fucked up sounding. half digital and half echo chamber.

scott seward, Friday, 9 March 2018 14:49 (six years ago) link

yeah exactly. so uncanny. this album adds to it by subtly changing the songs as they progress. really interesting

imago, Friday, 9 March 2018 15:20 (six years ago) link

'mythical' is a really good way to put it

imago, Friday, 9 March 2018 15:21 (six years ago) link

omg That Will Slowly Unwind is amazing, why isn't it on the album proper

imago, Friday, 9 March 2018 15:34 (six years ago) link

Oh I've worked out why I don't like Words Never Fail To Fail! It's a dead-on Blue Nile impression! I just listened to it while walking through London in the rain and my heart stirred not a whit. You'll all love it though. As a bonus, the next track is a fairly decent impression of Love Song by The Cure. Album's amazing apart from that

imago, Friday, 9 March 2018 17:39 (six years ago) link

I guess WNFTF has some nice XTC harmonies in amongst the sheer Paul Buchanan-ness of it all, at least

imago, Friday, 9 March 2018 17:40 (six years ago) link

i sent him a FB friend request. i want to ask him about the possibility of a CD release. with a bonus disc. i'm not a big online listener. i wonder how many records he pressed? probably not a lot.

scott seward, Friday, 9 March 2018 17:44 (six years ago) link

i wonder if i would dig the Violens stuff more now. i'll bet i would. i just listened to this one and it reminded me of cass mccombs!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U90FeqsxnR0

scott seward, Friday, 9 March 2018 17:46 (six years ago) link

I quite like WNFTF now ffs

imago, Friday, 9 March 2018 19:46 (six years ago) link

finally listening now.

I've been feeling like there's something in vocal melodies and harmonies that I think Django Django do similarly, sort of Zombies-esque

dan selzer, Friday, 9 March 2018 19:50 (six years ago) link

He’s great with collaborators, less so when he tackles everything himself

calstars, Friday, 9 March 2018 20:03 (six years ago) link

Yes! I thought Zombies at one point too!

imago, Friday, 9 March 2018 20:06 (six years ago) link

I think during Flesh To Ash

imago, Friday, 9 March 2018 20:09 (six years ago) link

I can't get over the segue between the first two tracks on this

imago, Sunday, 11 March 2018 15:09 (six years ago) link

the Zombies one is Undiscerning Masses btw

imago, Sunday, 11 March 2018 16:25 (six years ago) link

my favorite l-d bit is still how the first track on the dividing island turns into a who song halfway through for no reason

call all destroyer, Sunday, 11 March 2018 22:58 (six years ago) link

Guitar heroics on “eternal lie” ftw

zalstarz (calstars), Sunday, 11 March 2018 23:27 (six years ago) link

Sent Elbrecht a note telling him how much I like the new album and asking about a repress. He replied that there’s no plan right now beyond the initial 100 copies. :/

by the light of the burning Citroën, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 13:59 (six years ago) link

one year passes...

thanks to imago for leading me down the lansing-dreiden rabbithole

elbrecht lp repressed fyi https://jorgeelbrecht.bandcamp.com/album/here-lies

diamonddave85​​ (diamonddave85), Monday, 22 April 2019 02:14 (five years ago) link

haha sweet! hoped that namedrop would lead to someone checking them out. i just listened again to The Incomplete Triangle - what an album it is, just keeps getting better and better (both in terms of its tracklist and its enduring qualities)

imago, Monday, 22 April 2019 07:47 (five years ago) link

three months pass...

Is this group more niche than I thought? I just got a copy of The Dividing Island vinyl reissue from six years ago #384/500. I can't fathom a pressing that limited not selling out before 2019.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 20 August 2019 17:58 (four years ago) link

yeah they are quite obscure. criminally unknown

boobie, Tuesday, 20 August 2019 19:29 (four years ago) link

i saw jorge elbrecht as support for kurt vile in june in berlin. and it was terrible. new wavish bombast, the voice totally distorted and hardly understandable, just crap. actually it took me about an hour to find out that it was him. and i love the "incomplete triangle" but live it does not seemm to work at all.

je est un autre, l'enfer c'est les autres (alex in mainhattan), Wednesday, 21 August 2019 08:55 (four years ago) link

four months pass...

https://open.spotify.com/track/2Uj68LXGj9lu4RCAX741Ch
Down in flames sounds like a sectioned bean b side

calstars, Sunday, 12 January 2020 19:43 (four years ago) link

I just picked up The Dividing Island on CD. I'm a fan of the Incomplete Triangle so I'm pleased to get this.

I'd never searched this band on ILM before. I must check the Jorge Elbrecht stuff mentioned above.

Duke, Saturday, 25 January 2020 20:14 (four years ago) link

one year passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlHAVzR41Bk

Best use of “pizazz” In a pop song?

calstars, Sunday, 30 May 2021 02:01 (two years ago) link

i had forgotten how good this is. been listening on repeat. some of the solo stuff is pretty great too; the way it veers from byrds to severed heads and has this rotating cast of ilm vetted assists - drab majesty, tamaryn, sky ferreira - sorta becoming obsessed tbh. would buy some LD physical ephemera but that seems impossible now

Vapor waif (uptown churl), Tuesday, 1 June 2021 17:39 (two years ago) link

elbrecht is incredibly talented. love the new presentable corpse record

diamonddave85​​ (diamonddave85), Tuesday, 1 June 2021 22:10 (two years ago) link

Yeah. The “run and hide” / “fading memory” one two punch is gutting me rn.

And “words never fail to fail” from the debut is the best julee cruise/blue Nile crossover I didn’t know I absolutely needed

Vapor waif (uptown churl), Tuesday, 1 June 2021 23:18 (two years ago) link


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