Catherine Wheel: Search and Destroy

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Well, why not a revive? But more for the fact that, thanks to these links courtesy of fellow CW fan Stripey, Rob Dickinson, who now apparently lives full time in LA, turns out to have a car fetish, and why not? What's fun is that these are from a board dedicated to early Porsche 911s -- I can't remember if this is exactly the model my dad had in the seventies (great green color, not garish, more dark green and understated), but it's close!

Scroll down about ten or so entries to see Rob's Bahama Yellow car.

About six photos down to see Rob and his current girlfriend relaxing with their fellow car fiends.

As for the band, looks to be on permanent hiatus/long dead. Official website hasn't been updated in forever, while this bemusingly illustrated fan page has a link to a new project guitarist Brian Futter and drummer Neil Sims have called 50 Ft. Monster...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 21 May 2004 16:48 (nineteen years ago) link

I still can't listen to anything they did after Chrome. I really don't hear the Talk Talk connections in this stuff despite Friese-Green being present. But I also usually turn around and change my mind about these things three years down the road.

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 21 May 2004 16:51 (nineteen years ago) link

One of their most Talk Talk-like songs, oddly enough, is called "Eat My Dust You Insensitive Fuck."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 21 May 2004 16:57 (nineteen years ago) link

They look so old and curmudgeonly (sp?) in those photos.
Otherwise, there's not much I can add that wasn't in the original thread, other than reiterating the sublime greatness of "Chrome".

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Friday, 21 May 2004 17:16 (nineteen years ago) link

I lurve this band. Loved them each time I saw the live, and Ferment is one of the greatest albums to do it to.

Je4nne ƒury (Jeanne Fury), Friday, 21 May 2004 17:54 (nineteen years ago) link

! Yay for Jeanne!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 21 May 2004 17:55 (nineteen years ago) link

On the "Chrome" Tour i saw them open for INXS (free tix). The thunderous drones of "Ursa Major Space Station" made my then wife just about pass out cold. ...Always knew that bitch couldn't handle the heavy shit. We sat back in the bleachers for headliner, which made me just about pass out from Michael Hutchence's spasticly oblate gaiety. We left early.

christoff (christoff), Friday, 21 May 2004 17:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Banana yellow, how vulgar. I would have expected battleship grey.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Friday, 21 May 2004 17:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Chrome is fantastic, as is the aforementioned Ferment. One time I had this slightly oversized Catherine Wheel t-shirt that was stolen from me.

Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 21 May 2004 17:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Bits of that Dykehouse record remind me of super-early CW -- the real dewy/muffled stuff like "Wish," "Intravenous," "Upside Down."

I still stand by my Swervedriver statement upthread.

Stacey Pollen (Andy K), Friday, 21 May 2004 18:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Wow, this is a great thread, thanks Ned for reviving.

I must admit Jack's Rabid has grated on my nerves at times over the years. There are just a lot of bands he seems to take seriously that I can't.

I was crazy about Catherine Wheel until a particualarly bad show I saw of them. I think Chrome had come out just prior. I never cared for that album much. After Ferment, that was it. I was more enamoured with their singles prior to Ferment's release, anyway. There was one particular B-side (to "I Wanna Touch You") called "Half Life" that has actually continued to come back into my memory since then despite me mostly ignoring the idea that CW ever existed. I give thanks to this thread, though for making me realize that I desperately need to hear "Black Metallic" again.

The porsches are cool. But they can't touch Minis.

Bimble (bimble), Friday, 21 May 2004 18:58 (nineteen years ago) link


"Chrome" is an excellent soundtrack to rip things up to!

Artwork, pillows, love letters, clothes, journals, photos ...

The mood you're in is as important as the music itself in deciding what you'll think of this band, I feel. I'm less charitible towards them when I'm in a good mood, but when there's storm clouds on my horizon, I _adore_ them. Especially "Chrome".

I accidentally met Dave, the bassist, via E-bay. He was selling some Talk Talk ephemera, and I was buying same. (Go figure). When I saw his tag-name, I just thought he was a fan of the band. But when he told me who he really was, and when he found out that I was a fan of the Wheel as well as TT, he sent me an autograph also. Sweet guy! Hope things are better for him now.

stripey, Friday, 21 May 2004 21:27 (nineteen years ago) link

They look so old and curmudgeonly (sp?) in those photos.

they always looked old.

keith m (keithmcl), Friday, 21 May 2004 22:15 (nineteen years ago) link

seven months pass...
Slight revive to note that Rob D. sings not one but two songs on the Jimmy Chamberlin Complex album that's about to come out, Life Begins Again. (Corgan-haters should note that Sir Billy only sings on one song.) The title track is better than the other one, "Love is Real," but both are enjoyable enough and he sounds pretty good still in the post David Gilmour way.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:04 (nineteen years ago) link

eight months pass...
"Chrome" is an excellent soundtrack to rip things up to!
You know, I need to try this sometime. I imagine it's quite OTM.



Anyway, there's reason for the revive -- it looks like Rob Dickinson is releasing a solo album on the 13th! Fresh Wine for the Horses is the title, and considering what I've heard people say about Wishville (as I haven't heard it myself), the three songs I've heard are a most likely marked improvement -- they're lighter and with even more of a pop sensibility than I'm accustomed to on initial listen, a sort of matured CW with orchestra, but I imagine I'm going to like the songs more with each listen (as is par for the course with my reactions to Catherine Wheel -- I never really sink into anything of theirs until the second listen).

Ian Riese-Moraine: Let this bastard out, and you'll get whiplash! (Eastern Mantr, Thursday, 8 September 2005 17:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, the record is easily more pop than the CW material was. However, certain bits of it could easily be mistaken for some of their softer stuff.

Bax the Boy Robot (EdBax), Friday, 9 September 2005 02:15 (eighteen years ago) link

Frement - Probably really dated but some really good songs.
Chrome - Their best and still pretty good.
Happy Days - I wouldn't recommend it but this album is really angry and I like it for that reason.
Like Cats and Dogs - A b-sides album and that was when they were at their best. I have a bunch of singles by this band and I need to burn them all on one CD someday.
Adam and Eve - Has it's moments but can ignore.
Wishville - Destroy.

BeeOK (boo radley), Friday, 9 September 2005 02:31 (eighteen years ago) link

The new Rob Dickinson song is on heavy, heavy rotation on Indie 103.1 and is pretty good. The only other thing I know is one or two members are now in a harder band called Serafin.

BeeOK (boo radley), Friday, 9 September 2005 02:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Rob's new record is out today. Makes it more obvious how much of the CW sound was Rob.

There's a Warren Zevon cover (Mutineer), Marty Willson-Piper (of The Church) pops in for a guitar solo (Oceans), and two tracks (The Storm, Towering and Flowering) are de-facto Catherine Wheel reunions (Futter, Sims, & Friese-Greene).

Edward Bax (EdBax), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 17:36 (eighteen years ago) link

Ferment - Probably really dated but some really good songs

Nah, it still sounds great, and I actually like it more than Chrome.

Ian Riese-Moraine: Let this bastard out, and you'll get whiplash! (Eastern Mantr, Tuesday, 13 September 2005 18:10 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...
Search the whole discography!

Ferment is peerless, a hands down classic.

Chrome is fucking fantastic.

Happy Days is less so, but has its standouts.

Like Cats and Dogs is lush and beautiful.

Adam and Eve is a career high, their masterpiece.

And hey, Wishville isn't half bad.

Stephen Bush (Stephen B.), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 04:34 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...

Phrasing on "Black Metallic" is the bomb.

roxymuzak, Wednesday, 3 October 2007 01:36 (sixteen years ago) link

i like chrome

omar little, Wednesday, 3 October 2007 01:38 (sixteen years ago) link

one year passes...

the opening track on chrome is a very assured, scorching number. i'm a little bit afraid of the the STP comparison way upthread :/... thankfully i don't really hear it, and the guitars are a-wash enough to qualify this as shoegazey.

Charlie Howard, Saturday, 28 February 2009 16:10 (fifteen years ago) link

Refusing to believe that Wishville is as bad as everyone says it is, I'm listening to it now. It's frustratingly close to being good, while being pretty damn half-assed. The power is out, the fannydangle is in.

This is the day when fisticuffs happened everywhere (country matters), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 00:06 (fifteen years ago) link

...but, weirdly, no track has flat-out offended me yet, unlike Happy Days, where pretty much every track offended me.

This is the day when fisticuffs happened everywhere (country matters), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 00:10 (fifteen years ago) link

"Mad Dog" is kinda offending me

This is the day when fisticuffs happened everywhere (country matters), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 00:14 (fifteen years ago) link

LOVED Chrome as a high school kid. Are the Catherine Wheel's first two LPs tough to find on vinyl? what if i started buying second-tier shoegaze records?? egads.

ian, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 05:23 (fifteen years ago) link

LIKE CATS AND DOGS IS THE ONLY ALBUM I'VE HEARD OF THEIRS AND IT BORED ME
DO I NEED TO GIVE IT ANOTHER TRY?

turtles all the way down (Face of Wolf), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 05:26 (fifteen years ago) link

Chrome rules. i never liked anything before or after it as much. Chrome just has that amazing friggin' rock production and that crunch and the coolest songs.

scott seward, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 05:28 (fifteen years ago) link

sheesh, folks on gemm want $100+ for chrome & ferment :(

ian, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 05:28 (fifteen years ago) link

I will try this Chrome

turtles all the way down (Face of Wolf), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 05:30 (fifteen years ago) link

play it loud.

scott seward, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 05:31 (fifteen years ago) link

I'm breaking my no downloading rule for this

turtles all the way down (Face of Wolf), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 05:34 (fifteen years ago) link

one morning in high school, i was hung over with my friend phil. we ate at denny's then drove down to the beach and listened to CHROME and the butthole surfers "pychic, powerless." a special memory.

ian, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 05:51 (fifteen years ago) link

and i mean a rocky, ugly new england beach. not some socal shit.

ian, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 05:52 (fifteen years ago) link

Weird career trajectory. Their last three albums veered from awful to utterly brilliant to insipid. Fanboyish thread of praise for the astounding "Adam & Eve": Catherine Wheel's 'Adam And Eve' is a pretty astounding record

You really are advised to give that record a go.

This is the day when fisticuffs happened everywhere (country matters), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 10:48 (fifteen years ago) link

Am listening to Chrome for the first time now - halfway through
ok, this is very enjoyable
I Confess is the best so far
Not an album i could find myself falling in love with but one I see myself listening to quite a few more times.
Will try Adam and Eve next and then try Cats and Dogs again

turtles all the way down (Face of Wolf), Tuesday, 17 March 2009 10:17 (fifteen years ago) link

one month passes...

Really enjoyed listening to the Swervedriver reissues and saw the reunion tour last year. I think it's Catherine Wheel's turn now. A nice double-deluxe remaster of Ferment with all the B-sides, pretty please. I remember when "Black Metallic" was first played on 120 min, hosted by Dave Kendall, because I was recording it, as a friend's band was also debuting that night. I don't know why this is a fond memory, as I was living in a creepy dark basement of a mansion just out of college, with a deeply strange older shoe salesman as a roommate. I guess most memories easily gauze over to nostalgia when it's got a good soundtrack.

I had most of the albums, but some reason never got around to picking up Chrome until this week. Damn good album.

Fastnbulbous, Wednesday, 6 May 2009 04:32 (fourteen years ago) link

Oh yeah, and they also remind me of a woman I dated with an identical twin sister (I swear I could only tell them apart by the slight difference in size of their chests). They were both huge fans of the band, and they got to meet them, right around the time Cats And Dogs with the twins-themed cover art came out.

Fastnbulbous, Wednesday, 6 May 2009 04:41 (fourteen years ago) link

one year passes...

Partial revive due to all the shoegaze poll talk but what's heartening to see is that for all that "Black Metallic" was the breakout song it was Chrome rather than Ferment which most people love the best on this thread. Rightly so. Just listened to "Crank" for the first time in forever and that's actually a pretty damn tricky lead-off single for a sophomore album with high commercial expectations for it.

I think I still have a 'chrome' (well, silver) promotional version of the CD, and the deep blue tour shirt with the cover art is still a favorite of mine.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 31 October 2010 00:33 (thirteen years ago) link

i've suddenly decided i really dislike this band. previously i found them inoffensive at most, but the fact that people champion them as one of the more pivotal shoegaze acts renders me clueless to the point of vexation. as i've said previously, they're not far removed from bush in my eyes, and seem wilfully content to huff and puff their way through a chest-beating belated british take on grunge.

charlie h, Sunday, 31 October 2010 09:28 (thirteen years ago) link

'crank' is utter garbage frankly.

charlie h, Sunday, 31 October 2010 09:51 (thirteen years ago) link

reminds me of 'glycerine', seriously.

charlie h, Sunday, 31 October 2010 09:54 (thirteen years ago) link

three years pass...

http://vimeo.com/76496410

catherine wheel singer dude now does hyper-expensive Porsche restorations

free dong commissioner (haitch), Tuesday, 31 December 2013 10:09 (ten years ago) link

Myodesign 2 months ago
Good day Singer,
The paint colour is stunning. Would you please tell me if this is a stock Porsche colour? And if so, would you disclose the colour code?
Thank you.

There's a fairly obvious joke to be made here

VENIET IMBER (imago), Tuesday, 31 December 2013 23:03 (ten years ago) link

Yeah a friend had discovered that a few years ago, apparently he's pretty active in that circuit. And why not?

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 31 December 2013 23:09 (ten years ago) link

it's not like he never referenced cars or driving in his lyrics tbf

VENIET IMBER (imago), Tuesday, 31 December 2013 23:26 (ten years ago) link

outro of 'for dreaming' still one of the greatest moments in rock history obv

VENIET IMBER (imago), Tuesday, 31 December 2013 23:32 (ten years ago) link

eight months pass...

Catherine Wheel seems to be more disliked than I would have thought on ILM, but I suppose there are always winners and losers. This band I really heard tangentially once on TV and found that CD used and then liked it enough to eventually get some more as I would run into other ones by them CDs for a buck or two. I think Catherine Wheel had quite a good of atmosphere at times, I kind of hear it Pink Floyd as much as shoegaze. Maybe it's because I have put them together on 90s CDR comps, they seem a bit like a UK Afghan Whigs without the soul fetish.

This track "Saccharine" I thought was really good 90s psychedelic rock.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKMYooP2vZc

earlnash, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 00:32 (nine years ago) link

i clearly need to revisit A&E and happy days

jello my future biafriend (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 30 September 2014 21:26 (nine years ago) link

i was jk imago. obv its def less american sounding than happy days but its still p damn american alt rock sounding

jello my future biafriend (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 30 September 2014 21:27 (nine years ago) link

I'll relisten.

Happy Days...I reckon there's a brilliant 8-or-9-track album in there

Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Tuesday, 30 September 2014 21:31 (nine years ago) link

ferment is my fave tho, the farther they get from that the less im into it

jello my future biafriend (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 30 September 2014 21:31 (nine years ago) link

embarrassing but true story:

i first heard of catherine wheel on Q101, which was sort of the KROQ equivalent in chicago, and for awhile at least it was the best station i'd ever heard. they were playing the most amazing '80s alt-rock and college rock and new (at the time) music from the the and sugar and other acts like that. they were advertising some rock festival and talked about CATHERINE WHEEL and i was thinking, hmm well i do like that name i think i'll go buy her CD without even reading up on it.

lots of revelations after that, good ones mostly.

LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Tuesday, 30 September 2014 21:35 (nine years ago) link

When you bumped the other CW thread I listened to "the nude", and then again, and again, totally got stuck

cure for peen (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 30 September 2014 21:39 (nine years ago) link

Waydown
Heal
Empty Head
Eat My Dust
Shocking
Kill My Soul

^would be my preferred edit, maybe rearranged so like

Shocking
Waydown
Eat My Dust
Empty Head
Heal
Kill My Soul

great mini-album right there

Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Tuesday, 30 September 2014 21:58 (nine years ago) link

it sounds like he is singing 'corncrake' during the chorus of crank. i wish he was

Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Tuesday, 30 September 2014 22:11 (nine years ago) link

ohhh 'broken head' yeah i love this one, always have. that chorus! wish the whole album brought it like this but it's been fun so far

Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Tuesday, 30 September 2014 22:15 (nine years ago) link

would boldly state that on 'adam and eve', more or less every track has a melodic hook more or less up there with this one

Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Tuesday, 30 September 2014 22:18 (nine years ago) link

I met Rob once, top bloke, very down to earth.

There's an acoustic EP that includes "The Nude". Stunning.

They were an excellent and prolific B- sides band.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Tuesday, 30 September 2014 22:48 (nine years ago) link

ok "corncrake" just made me actual lol

jello my future biafriend (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 1 October 2014 02:58 (nine years ago) link

"Corncrake"? The Wicker Man?

The "5" Astronomer Royales (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 1 October 2014 03:06 (nine years ago) link

two years pass...

"call me crank"

what

― jello my future biafriend (roxymuzak), Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9:37 PM (two years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i think about this post whenever i listen to "Crank"

nomar, Tuesday, 21 March 2017 00:55 (seven years ago) link

mmmm corncrake

a but (brimstead), Tuesday, 21 March 2017 00:56 (seven years ago) link

:D

an uptempo Pop/Hip Hop mentality (imago), Tuesday, 21 March 2017 02:10 (seven years ago) link

i posted in the thread almost 12 years ago? it has been a wild ride and maybe i need to move on too?

have not thought about Catherine Wheel in a very long time. i think i saw them four time total. they were great live.

To Live and Die In L.A. (Bee OK), Tuesday, 21 March 2017 03:53 (seven years ago) link

It's interesting how pretty much all the original shoegaze crew as such has hit the reunion phase but this bunch didn't. (Other non-returnees off the top of my head: Boo Radleys, Pale Saints.) And yes granted CW weren't exactly shoegaze but they were of that generation, had a greater amount of success over here at the time compared to a lot of them, etc.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 21 March 2017 03:58 (seven years ago) link

two months pass...

Ferment is getting a vinyl reissue at the end of June. hope Chrome follows suit quickly thereafter...

nomar, Friday, 26 May 2017 16:34 (six years ago) link

My favorite Catherine wheel is the one-two punch of "strange fruit" and "chrome"

brimstead, Friday, 26 May 2017 17:51 (six years ago) link

and then "the nude" so it's really like three punches

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, 26 May 2017 18:41 (six years ago) link

re: the first punch, no song has ever punched me more

geoffreyess, Friday, 26 May 2017 20:55 (six years ago) link

one month passes...

and now CHROME is getting a proper reissue via Music on Vinyl in September!

nomar, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 16:54 (six years ago) link

five years pass...

There's never been expanded reissues, and lord knows there's material aplenty...

New material would be welcome, of course, if a bit trepidatious about the potential.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, 29 July 2022 14:27 (one year ago) link

Seems like it was just announcement of Adam and Eve streaming (hadn't realize it hadn't been?)

Ned Raggett, Friday, 29 July 2022 14:51 (one year ago) link

eight months pass...

Well, specific dates in this one.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CqYs7e6NzIf/

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 29 March 2023 21:01 (one year ago) link

What does this mean? Is there new stuff or is this for reissues? I would like to see them live again as it was always great. I think I saw them around seven times.

Bee OK, Wednesday, 29 March 2023 22:16 (one year ago) link

Guess we'll find out! After last year's tease that wasn't much, I'm suspicious, but the fact that there are two dates mentioned is intriguing.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 29 March 2023 22:18 (one year ago) link

probably the only band I'd spend all my money and fly anywhere to see

sloop johnnin' skater (geoffreyess), Wednesday, 29 March 2023 23:09 (one year ago) link

maybe they can hire a graphic designer with it

here 1st (roxymuzak), Thursday, 30 March 2023 21:44 (one year ago) link

lol

I. J. Miggs (dandydonweiner), Friday, 31 March 2023 00:30 (one year ago) link


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