Gear calls it. Shaye had been blustering about 'never working with Jackson again!' and all that earlier this year. Financial writing on the wall here -- combined with the fact that Jackson doesn't *need* Shaye at all anymore, whereas ten years back it was a completely different story -- means this is just a handy business decision on Jackson's part where Shaye is freaking out a bit.
So all these announcements only confirm Jackson to exec produce the movies, does that mean he's not directing?
Probably. I'll bet anything that was Shaye's core demand too!
there are other books, y'know
Uh-huh. Unfinished Tales: The Movie.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 18 December 2007 18:32 (sixteen years ago) link
This whole thing reads like "We have the rights, we're desperate, can we please license the trappings of the LOTR production without having to work directly much with Jackson?" and Jackson going, "Hey, cash and work for the WETA team! Sure!"
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 18 December 2007 18:33 (sixteen years ago) link
Silmarillion?
― gabbneb, Tuesday, 18 December 2007 18:37 (sixteen years ago) link
am I alone in thinking that it's going to be an uphill battle trying to make that last film seem exciting to the average moviegoer? "here, we've cobbled bits and pieces from unfinished manuscripts, in order to bridge...zzzzzz."
― Simon H., Tuesday, 18 December 2007 18:44 (sixteen years ago) link
in fact I think the whole idea of "bridging" rarely translates that well into compelling film.
― Simon H., Tuesday, 18 December 2007 18:45 (sixteen years ago) link
I thought they just meant that it would take two movies to tell the whole Hobbit tale.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 18 December 2007 18:48 (sixteen years ago) link
or the Hobbit tale including material from other books, some of which may precede the book itself
― gabbneb, Tuesday, 18 December 2007 18:49 (sixteen years ago) link
Perhaps the sequel will be Bilbo at home, cooking. Special guest star: Martha Stewart.
― Sara R-C, Tuesday, 18 December 2007 18:49 (sixteen years ago) link
Terrifying thought.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 18 December 2007 18:49 (sixteen years ago) link
The Slimeamillion.
― libcrypt, Tuesday, 18 December 2007 18:50 (sixteen years ago) link
That's the porn title settled.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 18 December 2007 18:51 (sixteen years ago) link
Jackson's lawsuit was for ~$100mn - I wonder what he got in the settlement?
― milo z, Tuesday, 18 December 2007 18:57 (sixteen years ago) link
the ring
― Frogman Henry, Tuesday, 18 December 2007 19:22 (sixteen years ago) link
I think the Hobbit story could easily be stretched into two 4-hour epics.
There could be at least 35 minutes of them floating in elfin wine barrels down a CIG river.
― Nate Carson, Wednesday, 19 December 2007 02:16 (sixteen years ago) link
I have an idea for the second Hobbit movie:
Middle Earth Christmas Special!
― latebloomer, Wednesday, 19 December 2007 02:21 (sixteen years ago) link
That should have said CGI river. A cig river would be really gross though.
― Nate Carson, Wednesday, 19 December 2007 08:06 (sixteen years ago) link
2nd movie will be Bilbo & Tom Bombadil in Cheech & Chong-like pipeweed comedy
― gershy, Wednesday, 19 December 2007 08:15 (sixteen years ago) link
Bilbo & Tom Go to White Castle
― max, Wednesday, 19 December 2007 08:49 (sixteen years ago) link
but it would be an ACTUAL white castle
― max, Wednesday, 19 December 2007 08:50 (sixteen years ago) link
yes!
― latebloomer, Wednesday, 19 December 2007 09:01 (sixteen years ago) link
With Neil Patrick Harris making an appearance as a randy elf
― latebloomer, Wednesday, 19 December 2007 09:02 (sixteen years ago) link
Lindsay Lohan as goldberry
― gershy, Wednesday, 19 December 2007 09:12 (sixteen years ago) link
k I wd watch that
― Noodle Vague, Wednesday, 19 December 2007 09:14 (sixteen years ago) link
shaye you fuckin pussy, why let this fat, beady crepe anywhere near a film set? thank god he's only "exec-producing" (collecting cheques).
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Wednesday, 19 December 2007 10:56 (sixteen years ago) link
the hobit : even simpler pr0n parody title?
― StanM, Wednesday, 19 December 2007 10:57 (sixteen years ago) link
The Hit It
― Raw Patrick, Wednesday, 19 December 2007 12:57 (sixteen years ago) link
He's never going to top Meet the Feebles, is he?
― The blue-green world is drenched with horse gore, Wednesday, 19 December 2007 13:00 (sixteen years ago) link
He topped that with Heavenly Creatures already. I don't really understand the Peter Jackson hate. Sure, he's not an auteur or anything, but he's been making consistently good, entertaining film for 20 years now, there isn't a single bad movie in his filmography. Even the ones that are not-great (Bad Taste, Frighteners, King Kong) have lots of great moments in them.
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 19 December 2007 13:12 (sixteen years ago) link
there isn't a single bad movie in his filmography.
i dunno if they're out where you are bro, but he did these shitty-ass dungeons & dragons pics three years straight. and then he did fucking king kong.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Wednesday, 19 December 2007 13:29 (sixteen years ago) link
If you think those are actually bad movies, I'd say you haven't seen a lot of movies. All of them worked very well within their genre.
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 19 December 2007 13:54 (sixteen years ago) link
Head, hands, yada yada yada
― The blue-green world is drenched with horse gore, Wednesday, 19 December 2007 13:56 (sixteen years ago) link
http://i.today.reuters.com/pictures/galleries/Stories/633260111339375000/Previews/08_RTR1L11X.jpg
― ledge, Wednesday, 19 December 2007 15:07 (sixteen years ago) link
essentially, he can't write dialogue, he can't avoid his own bad cgi company. he's got a great eye for backgrounds, that's about it.
― darraghmac, Wednesday, 19 December 2007 15:11 (sixteen years ago) link
I read the book and still had no idea wtf was going on in the movies. An integral part of the book is following their path on a map, but Jackson didn't bother with maps. Also, the whole worship/appreciation of earth and nature was pretty much obliterated for the movies.
― Autumn Almanac, Wednesday, 19 December 2007 21:58 (sixteen years ago) link
First film: THERE Second film: AND BACK AGAIN
I am so so fucking stoked on this. Bully for you, PJ!
― Abbott, Wednesday, 19 December 2007 22:00 (sixteen years ago) link
He'll probably expand the whole ring bit to make it fit the LOTR stuff.
― Autumn Almanac, Wednesday, 19 December 2007 22:02 (sixteen years ago) link
Abbott wins?
― gabbneb, Wednesday, 19 December 2007 22:03 (sixteen years ago) link
Jackson didn't bother with maps
Not true. Maps crop up at various times throughout the films.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 19 December 2007 22:04 (sixteen years ago) link
Also, the whole worship/appreciation of earth and nature was pretty much obliterated for the movies.
Are you sure? I thought that point was beaten in pretty well. I mean, long shots of the bad guys destroying forests all willy-nilly? And more time than needed spent on the trees fighting back? It was most definitely there.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 19 December 2007 22:04 (sixteen years ago) link
Yeah, the main bit I like is the lush pastoral idyll at the beginning of Fellowship.
― The blue-green world is drenched with horse gore, Wednesday, 19 December 2007 22:06 (sixteen years ago) link
Maybe they'll just be two 1.5 hour films ala the Rankin-Bass ones, minus the songs and the obvious cuts for commercials.
― Abbott, Wednesday, 19 December 2007 22:06 (sixteen years ago) link
will he portray gandalf as a scheming, fireworks-shooting weirdo guy who keeps pulling disappearing acts, or will he hint at the dark shit he's off doing during those times, stuff that was only revealed--and probably even conceived by the author--later?
― andrew m., Wednesday, 19 December 2007 22:09 (sixteen years ago) link
20 minutes of the first is a crazy smoke-shapes blowing contest that turns into something like "Pink Elephants on Parade" in Dumbo.
― Abbott, Wednesday, 19 December 2007 22:11 (sixteen years ago) link
Half hour CGI spider-fight.
― The blue-green world is drenched with horse gore, Wednesday, 19 December 2007 22:11 (sixteen years ago) link
Bilbo all hating on poor care of dishes for 15 minutes.
Who will play Bilbo? And he'll be like Frodo-age in this one?
http://img.timeinc.net/time/daily/2006/0605/hoffman0508.jpg
― M.V., Wednesday, 19 December 2007 22:17 (sixteen years ago) link
Bilbo is slightly older than Frodo if I remember right. He comes across that way.
Controversial casting of Verne Troyer to save on CGI bill?
― The blue-green world is drenched with horse gore, Wednesday, 19 December 2007 22:18 (sixteen years ago) link
-- The blue-green world is drenched with horse gore, Wednesday, December 19, 2007 10:11 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
^^^^^
lols
except: HE'S ONLY FUCKING EXEC-PRODUCING!!!! BFD!!!!!
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Wednesday, 19 December 2007 22:18 (sixteen years ago) link
Hahaha I was gonna suggest P.S. Hoffman!
Bilbo was older than Frodo in LOTR, but Hobbit is all about his begrudgingly Tookish youthful adventures.
― Abbott, Wednesday, 19 December 2007 22:19 (sixteen years ago) link
GOBLIN should do the soundtrack.
― Abbott, Wednesday, 19 December 2007 22:21 (sixteen years ago) link
http://film.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,2248286,00.html
― omar little, Monday, 28 January 2008 23:52 (sixteen years ago) link
Okay, I'm interested again.
― chap, Monday, 28 January 2008 23:54 (sixteen years ago) link
I'd be more than fine with that.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 28 January 2008 23:54 (sixteen years ago) link
Smaug with eight thousands eyes all over him...
Del Toro would be a popular choice with commentators and Tolkien fans alike. He has an excellent pedigree in fantasy with Pan's Labyrinth and did decent work on the comic book adaptations Hellboy and Blade II.
weird editorializing...
― s1ocki, Monday, 28 January 2008 23:56 (sixteen years ago) link
I bet it will have a framing device revealing that Middle Earth is in fact the hallucination of a child caught up in the Spanish Civil War.
― chap, Monday, 28 January 2008 23:57 (sixteen years ago) link
"I, Gandalf, cannot make the journey here, but my associate Hellboy has kindly indicated he's available."
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 28 January 2008 23:58 (sixteen years ago) link
hellboy was fken awesome. fuck a pans labyrinth tho.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 29 January 2008 00:09 (sixteen years ago) link
(and fuck 'the hobbit' obviously.)
controversial!
― Jordan, Tuesday, 29 January 2008 00:11 (sixteen years ago) link
it is still weird that they are considering filling in the story between the two.
― akm, Tuesday, 29 January 2008 00:32 (sixteen years ago) link
first 30 mins of hellboy is pretty awes then it gets pretty lame. especially when the pretty boy other protag gets brought in.
― s1ocki, Tuesday, 29 January 2008 00:46 (sixteen years ago) link
Official
― chap, Friday, 1 February 2008 03:17 (sixteen years ago) link
you talking about the new Hellboy, slocki?
― milo z, Friday, 1 February 2008 03:19 (sixteen years ago) link
Surely he means the first. The new one doesn't come out until, what, June or something?
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 1 February 2008 03:20 (sixteen years ago) link
hellboy is awesome if you don't expect much more from it than SMASHING NAZIS. fuck blade II though! backhanded compliment, to just mention that one rite?
― ian, Friday, 1 February 2008 04:20 (sixteen years ago) link
I don't remember another pretty boy protag in Hellboy, though. I R confused.
― milo z, Friday, 1 February 2008 04:28 (sixteen years ago) link
Hellboy is just about the best comic book adaptation to date. It's careful with fx, solidly entertaining, and it never gets all self-important or overstays it's welcome.
del toro cares about his characters as much as the spectacle and makes nature look sexy, so he's basically Peter Jackson hopefully minus the slow motion hobbit dancing in white pajamas. best thing that could have happened.
― Cosmo Vitelli, Friday, 1 February 2008 04:59 (sixteen years ago) link
I, for one, am geeking out.
― Capitaine Jay Vee, Friday, 1 February 2008 08:49 (sixteen years ago) link
Plz to be holding yr horses: Tolkien estate sues
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7240421.stm
― StanM, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 11:24 (sixteen years ago) link
in hellboy 1 they bring in some other dude as a ostensible audience-identifiable dude character and he kind of sucks. after a great opening the movie really peters out.
― s1ocki, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 15:05 (sixteen years ago) link
in hellboy 1 they bring in some other dude as a ostensible audience-identifiable dude character and he kind of sucks.
He was like Josh Hartnett except even more lame.
― Nicole, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 15:19 (sixteen years ago) link
I can't even begin to imagine.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 15:29 (sixteen years ago) link
Shaye and Lynne out at New Line, Jackson gets the last laugh.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 29 February 2008 02:49 (sixteen years ago) link
And now officially official. Peter Jackson and Tom Ewing Guillermo del Toro celebrate:
http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2008-04/38196386.jpg
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 25 April 2008 02:49 (sixteen years ago) link
I do love how Guillermo is as much a geek as the rest -- he even posted on theonering.net forums about it.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 25 April 2008 03:02 (sixteen years ago) link
this is a good choice, this will make them feel significantly different from the rings movies in feel and look. it's interesting that del toro is actually a much darker director and the hobbit is so much lighter in tone.
― akm, Friday, 25 April 2008 05:52 (sixteen years ago) link
still can't accept non-fattey Peter Jackson
― gershy, Friday, 25 April 2008 06:00 (sixteen years ago) link
Don't worry. Del Toro will get him on some enchiladas right quick.
― Capitaine Jay Vee, Friday, 25 April 2008 06:34 (sixteen years ago) link
Come on, give the man his money, it's a contract from 1969.
http://www.guesswhichmovie.com/news/280
Also: how does this tie in with the production of another movie?
― StanM, Monday, 26 May 2008 14:29 (fifteen years ago) link
Transcript of a webchat with Jackson and Del Toro here: http://www.wetanz.com/holics/index.php?itemid=695&catid=2#more
― chap, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 01:28 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm just pleased to be getting Gandalf the Grey back for two more movies. Ian and I loved him best. We were a little sad when the Gandy the White took over.
hahaha, Oh man. I think this is the polite way of saying they found 'Gandy the White' bor-ring.
― Abbott, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 02:21 (fifteen years ago) link