"She's an indoor kitty..."

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I always wondered what those wild kitty adventures were all about. Is it like a walkabout? Do they take peyote in the desert?

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 3 October 2005 16:47 (8 years ago) Permalink

Your girlfriend will murder you once this cat gets hit by a car/scratched up by another cat/kidnapped/etc etc etc things that have happened to all my friends in major cities who let their cats out occasionally. I have NEVER heard this story end well in a major urbanized area. Ever!

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Monday, 3 October 2005 16:47 (8 years ago) Permalink

The are the same folks that give their kids antibiotics for the sniffles and have hand-sanitizer in the car.

andy --, Monday, 3 October 2005 16:48 (8 years ago) Permalink

I would have to use the "front door" to get out the back. Trust me, my cat hates the outdoors. Also, my exes' cats never liked the outdoors even though they always WANTED to get out there out of curiosity. Once they got out, they ran up a tree completely freaked out and terrified for days. They never left the yard.

You're wrong, Monday, 3 October 2005 16:49 (8 years ago) Permalink

xpost No they're not. They're people who own cats but not a barn. I don't even have a backyard.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 3 October 2005 16:49 (8 years ago) Permalink

whatever you do, don't pierce their ears when they are kittens.

Mendoza Lineman (Carey), Monday, 3 October 2005 16:50 (8 years ago) Permalink

Agreed. Andy, please give me enough money to have a place with a back yard you care so much about my cat.

Jimmy Mod wants you to tighten the strings on your corset (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Monday, 3 October 2005 16:51 (8 years ago) Permalink

my cat has no claws and would surely get mauled by some mean street cats

p.s. i didnt declaw her, her previous owner did!

Same deal with my cat -- the previous owner declawed him, I think he'd be totally defenseless if he were left to his own devices outside.

O'so Krispie (Ex Leon), Monday, 3 October 2005 16:53 (8 years ago) Permalink

whatever you do, don't pierce their ears when they are kittens.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Monday, 3 October 2005 16:53 (8 years ago) Permalink

It's a quality of life issue, not quantity.

andy --, Monday, 3 October 2005 16:57 (8 years ago) Permalink

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 3 October 2005 16:57 (8 years ago) Permalink

Ha, Ally is incredible right, and Andy is incredibly screwed. You let the cat out, and something happens to it, eventually. Maybe nothing serious or terrible, but something that'll cause at least a couple hours of freaking out and feeling sorry for Poor Kitty and wondering where the nearest 24-hour animal clinic is. And from those hours to the moment of signing the check for the vet bill, there's every chance your girlfriend will be in super-mega You're an Idiot mode.

nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 3 October 2005 16:57 (8 years ago) Permalink

Dude, my cat has a way higher quality of life than I do.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 3 October 2005 16:58 (8 years ago) Permalink

Haha, no shit.

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 3 October 2005 16:58 (8 years ago) Permalink

Try to prep her early. Talk a lot about how inevitable it is that the cat will get mauled by a sewer-badger.

nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 3 October 2005 16:58 (8 years ago) Permalink

Exactly how great is the quality of your life going to be when your girlfriend is stabbing you in the nuts shrieking "WHERE THE FUCK IS MY PRECIOUS KITTY, YOU GIGANTIC DUMBFUCK???????"

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Monday, 3 October 2005 16:59 (8 years ago) Permalink

Sure, one day of abject terror without his normal hiding places before having his neck snapped by the roving pit bull would be so much better than ten years of comfort, ease, treats and sunbeams.

Is this some kind of fucking joke?

(several xposts)

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Monday, 3 October 2005 17:01 (8 years ago) Permalink

Hahaha! I don't think that pitbulls roam the cities of America looking for defenseless housecats to eat but I could be wrong.

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Monday, 3 October 2005 17:03 (8 years ago) Permalink

My cat, too, became much less troublesome when I started letting him out. He used to be terrible for scratching walls and furniture; after I let him outside, that stopped completely. Plus, no more litter tray - well, it's still there, but as soon as he could get outside he stopped using the tray unless he was absolutely bursting.

However, he still has his claws. Declawing is a horribly cruel thing to do, far worse than castration.

And, I know, there *are* some cats who will refuse to go outside. I've known cats who live in two-bedroom flats who are quite happy to stay inside, and terrified of stepping out of the door. The common thread with all the cats I've known like this is that they were all from the cats' shelter, and were all mistreated by previous owners; I've also known mistreated cats that weren't like this, though.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 3 October 2005 17:03 (8 years ago) Permalink

My cat is an indoor cat too, same problem as noted above, she flips out if taken over the threshold of the open door or if strangers walk by or visit. Preface this by saying she was a junk yard rescue - only about 4 weeks old and the rest of the litter died cuz the mom had too, and they were too young to hunt or eat solid food. We tried a number of times to get her used to being outdoors - took her just outside the front door in a closed patio, she dug her claws in a clung like a crazed octopus, shaking and trying to bury herself in the crook of my arm. Then we tried again to take her to a small park where no one was around she was on a leash but dove under the blanket on the grass and shook and meowed like someone was trying to kill her. This is so sad cuz they should have some outdoor fun and experience (even just to catch a bug and play with it as "live game". All my life I have had various cats that were "more stable" and perfectly ok with outside. This one is just too traumatized to be sujected to the outside. She is 5 now, I leave the front door open sometimes and she will sit near the door, but won't pass the threshold and if anyone comes near she runs like she's being chased by a banshee! She does sit in the window and look, but it seems to be quite enough for her.

Wiggy (Wiggy), Monday, 3 October 2005 17:03 (8 years ago) Permalink

God god, I'm not signing the cat up for dogfighting. These are (usually) supervised visits to a big backyard. The cat usually goes in the neighbor's yard for awhile, wanders through the hedges, and then we go fetch it. This isn't "Escape from New York" or something.

andy --, Monday, 3 October 2005 17:05 (8 years ago) Permalink

The pit bull part was a bit of hyperbole, but there are quite a few loose dogs in my neighborhood that like to make sport of cats.

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Monday, 3 October 2005 17:06 (8 years ago) Permalink

When a C.H.U.D. gets the cat don't come crying to me.

laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Monday, 3 October 2005 17:06 (8 years ago) Permalink

I grew up in a national park with a cat that lived an idyllic young life. Even later in suburbia she had access to enough wandering room to enjoy herself thoroughly. Now that I live in a city, my present cats are indoor 'cause (a) it's much, much safer in an urban environment, in terms of cars, dogs, but also exposure to other animals and other cats and their diseases and (b), though I do let them into our little concrete 'back yard' when i'm down there, they wouldn't have any access to anything fun anyway. Pavement, street, victorians with no front yards, they'd end up rooting through people's garbage or stuck in a tree.

M. White (Miguelito), Monday, 3 October 2005 17:07 (8 years ago) Permalink

God god, I'm not signing the cat up for dogfighting.

You say that now...

The Ghost of The Backyard Is A Gateway To The Darkside (Dan Perry), Monday, 3 October 2005 17:07 (8 years ago) Permalink

The hysterical tone of many of these posts means I've obviously struck a chord. You're all enemies of freedom.

andy --, Monday, 3 October 2005 17:09 (8 years ago) Permalink

I used to let my cats out and then one got hit by a car. on my birthday. I found it in the street covered in blood. That was great fun! My cats don't go outside anymore.

really though I would let them out if I weren't worried about it. I live somewhere with less traffic now. Well, I'd let one of them out; the othe one is terrified of everything and prefers to live under our bed.

kyle (akmonday), Monday, 3 October 2005 17:10 (8 years ago) Permalink

FIGHT THE REAL ENEMY

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 3 October 2005 17:11 (8 years ago) Permalink

You big liar, Andy: if you're supervising the kitty, it's hardly an "outdoor" cat! That's just, like, making your apartment bigger for a second. I read "let the cat out" and I'm thinking of proper cat-comes-and-goes-as-it-pleases type shit.

nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 3 October 2005 17:16 (8 years ago) Permalink

until I started forcing the issue
I agree w/Ally, et al. It sounds as if you have bigger problems than cat freedom, judging from the above

Morley Timmons (Donna Brown), Monday, 3 October 2005 17:17 (8 years ago) Permalink

Andy totally wants to have sex with the cat.

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Monday, 3 October 2005 17:22 (8 years ago) Permalink

I just don't understand where I (or Kenan or Jimmy or...) am supposed to let my cat out. I mean I haven't got a backyard at all. Not only that, but he hates even wandering into a hallway. When Tom first moved him to this apartment he hid in the closet for days, terrified of the house! Trust me, his quality of life would dive if we forced the issue of him being outside regularly. He hates HALLWAYS. He's completely agoraphobic. And yes, he was a rescued kitty, found running around on the LIE. I guess after that experience and then being shuttled into a tiny apartment with constant food and attention when he wanted and water and places to climb on, he had no interest in the great outdoors anymore. And, really, he does have a higher QOL than I do.

I mean, seriously, even if you have a backyard in the urban environment you shouldn't be letting the cat out, because one day he will jump fence to the neighbor's yard and then keep going. This is not such a big issue in a suburban environment, but in urban...next thing you know, you're hosting cat drug orgies.

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Monday, 3 October 2005 17:23 (8 years ago) Permalink

The outdoors are overrated. It's just bugs, litter and hobos. It's not like they have to meet someone at a bar.

Mendoza Lineman (Carey), Monday, 3 October 2005 17:25 (8 years ago) Permalink

*Pssst* Catnip? High grade, man!

xpost

M. White (Miguelito), Monday, 3 October 2005 17:25 (8 years ago) Permalink

Nabisco is right, it's an indoor kitty that's is gaining more and more freedom. But it was a Hunter's Point stray kitten and is pretty tough, so I don't worry about it too much. But no, it doesn't roll down to the fish monger's like Heathcliff.

andy --, Monday, 3 October 2005 17:25 (8 years ago) Permalink

"Hey kitty, wanna see my backyard?"

The Ghost of Andy --: Felinophile (Dan Perry), Monday, 3 October 2005 17:26 (8 years ago) Permalink

This thread would make more sense if we were talking about indoor strippers.

Mendoza Lineman (Carey), Monday, 3 October 2005 17:30 (8 years ago) Permalink

out in the backyard

then we go fetch it

This is not at all applicable for sooo many people and cats. If you have a nice neighborhood with no wandering wild animals and trust your cat to return, it might work. If you live in an apartment, hell no. I've only seen a couple cats that can work well with a leash, some just freeze up and refuse to move or go insane and try to rip it off.

Other cats absolutely refuse to be "fetched" and will run like hell if any human approaches them while outside. If you don't have a porch where the cat can return hours later, you're screwed.

Domesticated housecats aren't necessarily outdoor animals. They also enjoy live food a lot more than dead stuff, but I don't see very many people releasing mice in their house when it's mealtime for the cat. If you forced a cat to live off of what it can catch, you'd be considered inhumane.

mike h. (mike h.), Monday, 3 October 2005 17:31 (8 years ago) Permalink

They also enjoy live food a lot more than dead stuff, but I don't see very many people releasing mice in their house when it's mealtime for the cat.

THAT. WOULD. BE. AWESOME.

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Monday, 3 October 2005 17:32 (8 years ago) Permalink

Maybe in your house.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 3 October 2005 17:33 (8 years ago) Permalink

I bought him a Burberry leash and harness to take him outside. Mr. Kitty likes to wear the harness but doesn't care for the leash or the outside part of the deal. So he just wears a jaunty vest now, it's cool.

xpost there's where mike is wrong, I do that all the time.

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Monday, 3 October 2005 17:33 (8 years ago) Permalink

I mean, seriously, even if you have a backyard in the urban environment you shouldn't be letting the cat out, because one day he will jump fence to the neighbor's yard and then keep going. This is not such a big issue in a suburban environment, but in urban...next thing you know, you're hosting cat drug orgies.

http://www.sfspca.org/WhereWeStand/wherewestand_jan_02.shtml

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 3 October 2005 17:33 (8 years ago) Permalink

I think Greg Ginn's really into that trap & spay scene. That's his bag, man.

andy --, Monday, 3 October 2005 17:37 (8 years ago) Permalink

Cat colonies!!!!!!!!!

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Monday, 3 October 2005 17:37 (8 years ago) Permalink

My ex-wife and I let the cats 'go outside' in San Francsico but that was only cause we lived on the first floor of an apartment building which had a huge courtyard that had no access to the street so they were safe. Most indoor cats have no idea how to fight a 'real' street cat, don't know how to kill their prey, and often don't even have a good sense of direction. One of my cats got out during a party once and I genuinely thought I'd lost her unitl she answered my calls the next day: she was at the back door of the equivalent floor of the mostly identical looking building next to ours.

Also, andy, when I got my newest cat from animal care and control, I had to promise not to let the cat out. I'm not saying I follow their strictures religiously or anything, but I imagine they have good reasons for not wanting domesticated cats outside, most of which have to do with the cat's safety.

M. White (Miguelito), Monday, 3 October 2005 17:39 (8 years ago) Permalink

my cat changy, a 15 year old neutered longhair tom, is very happy to explore the gardens near me. he is an old bruiser, blind in one eye, and he seems to get a kick out of surveying the surrounding area, lording over it like some old general.

i could never keep him in, and i'm not sure its safer either. the other night, a crane fly zipped in the house and started bothering him. it irritated him enough to clump it down in one slow, graceful, bloodthirsty movement, and then he stuffed the still-jittering bug into his fluffy white chops. the look on his face as he tasted it will live on in laughter for years.

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foxy boxer (stevie), Monday, 3 October 2005 17:39 (8 years ago) Permalink

Cats should only be allowed outside once a year, during winter, in order to laugh at them trying to walk daintily in the snow.

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 3 October 2005 17:40 (8 years ago) Permalink

When ALF eats the cat don't come crying to me.

laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Monday, 3 October 2005 17:49 (8 years ago) Permalink

Jordan OTM

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Monday, 3 October 2005 17:54 (8 years ago) Permalink

nuh

foxy boxer (stevie), Monday, 3 October 2005 17:56 (8 years ago) Permalink

fwiw we have 3 cats and leather sofas and they do not scratch them at all. Just doesn't seem to be good scratching material for them. They scratch the hell out of other stuff tho. Our bed is one of those solid base ones with some kind of fabric all around the bottom and that has been shredded.

Just noise and screaming and no musical value at all. (Colonel Poo), Thursday, 10 October 2013 06:24 (9 months ago) Permalink

We taught Cosmo and Bob to use a scratching post when they were kittens; every time it looked as if they wanted to scratch we picked them up and carried them to the scratching pillar, and rubbed their front paws on it. They learn pretty soon, and are really good now, so our furniture is pretty fine. Not unscathed - there are some pulls on the sofa and chair but they're accidents resulting from sketching out and flexing paws.

they all are afflicted with a sickness of existence (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 10 October 2013 07:00 (9 months ago) Permalink

Sometimes Bob shouts at you until you pick him up and stroke him. This isn't normal, is it?

they all are afflicted with a sickness of existence (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 10 October 2013 07:03 (9 months ago) Permalink

what is that cat in the gif, he's amazing

r|t|c, Thursday, 10 October 2013 07:06 (9 months ago) Permalink

my parents bought my girlfriend and I a large leather-lined mirror as a housewarming gift and within 10 minutes of unpacking it our cat had climbed on top of it and started ripping the top apart. I cannot deny a cat an experience that awesome.

Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 10 October 2013 07:06 (9 months ago) Permalink

Max spent his first six months outside under a house, and now he lives inside with me. My face got a scar the day we drove him home from my friends driveway. My carpet got destroyed when he wanted in my room when I was sleeping. The couch will be replaced or re-something-holstered. He got a bladder infection, and the carpet by the litter closet is now tile.

We got him a kitten (Kali) early on, and she tamed him in a way we never could have. Teased him and bathed him and put him in his place.

I'll never regret the damage or the expense because we missed Chloe and Milo so much after all those years of faithful service.

Max and Kali will be allowed outdoors eventually, starting with supervised time on the patio, followed by supervised strolls and lay-downs in the courtyard (just like Milo and Chloe). As soon as they and I aren't too scared of sudden startles.

Zachary Taylor, Thursday, 10 October 2013 07:22 (9 months ago) Permalink

Lots of folks let their indoor cars roam freely on my residential block
I approve in that I get one frequent visitor to our backyard who is friendly and let's my kids pet him

velko, Thursday, 10 October 2013 07:33 (9 months ago) Permalink

If I fell into $3K worth of fancy furniture I'd immediately craigslist it for $1K worth of shitty furniture and a cat.

how's life, Thursday, 10 October 2013 12:37 (9 months ago) Permalink

^^^^

wish I could get my wife onboard with that!

frogbs, Thursday, 10 October 2013 12:39 (9 months ago) Permalink

Oh word. I'm sorry frogs.

how's life, Thursday, 10 October 2013 13:07 (9 months ago) Permalink

what is that cat in the gif, he's amazing

Colonel Meow

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 10 October 2013 15:13 (9 months ago) Permalink

cats hate citrus smells so maybe mix some grapefruit oil and water in a spray bottle and mist the corners of the couch? those catnip scratchers are also really great.

― clouds, Wednesday, October 9, 2013 2:24 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Aluminum foil also works, I've heard.

― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, October 9, 2013 2:25 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The citrus defense is what I was going to recommend.
My ex roomie heard aluminum foil works, too, but my cat was only put off for a couple days then tore through that shit. Added bonus fun of explaining why you have foil in random places of your home to guests.

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 10 October 2013 16:44 (9 months ago) Permalink

you can buy tape that you put on your furniture ('sticky paws' or something) and that keeps em at bay while you keep this weird tape on your couch, but in my experience, they just start scratching it again when you take it off. I've given up tbh.

(⊙_⊙?) (Alan N), Thursday, 10 October 2013 16:54 (9 months ago) Permalink

thred revive tl;dr but try poking around your local ASPCA/Shelter for cats that have been declawed by a previous owner -- downside it is not a kitted, it has already been declawed (eg mutilated). upside -- giving what is surely an older cat a second life/good home.

When I went to get my cat I knew I wanted an older cat bc birth-death cat ownership was something I didn't think I was ready for and potentially getting one that had been declawed would have been a bonus.

Outcome: older non-declawed cat that is not a "clawer" so to speak. She gets off on cardboard scratching posts. ymmv

The Dance Twerking Was MADE So (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 10 October 2013 17:00 (9 months ago) Permalink

not a kitted = not a kitten

The Dance Twerking Was MADE So (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 10 October 2013 17:00 (9 months ago) Permalink

Kittens are overrated. Older cats are rad.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 10 October 2013 17:02 (9 months ago) Permalink

Years of experience have inured me to the inevitablity of feline domestic destruction but also taught me that the most liberal sprinkling of cat scratch devices lessens the impact somewhat. Once cats become used to scratching somewhere, they'll continue so new furniture needs to be policed pretty strictly for awhile after it's bought.

The normative power of the factual (Michael White), Thursday, 10 October 2013 17:03 (9 months ago) Permalink

also dose said scratching devises w catnip often @ first, or as often as you like, depending on how funny the outcome is

The Dance Twerking Was MADE So (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 10 October 2013 17:05 (9 months ago) Permalink

Kittens are overrated. Older cats are rad.

― Johnny Fever, Thursday, October 10, 2013 6:02 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Kittens are not overrated, Albert will have you know.

On the other hand, older cats are totally rad AS WELL.

emil.y, Thursday, 10 October 2013 17:09 (9 months ago) Permalink

thred revive tl;dr but try poking around your local ASPCA/Shelter for cats that have been declawed by a previous owner -- downside it is not a kitted, it has already been declawed (eg mutilated). upside -- giving what is surely an older cat a second life/good home.

This is a good point. Our cat is declawed, but he was that way when we adopted him. It was not a factor in our adoption (he was at the end of his stay at the shelter).

how's life, Thursday, 10 October 2013 17:13 (9 months ago) Permalink

in london everybody lets their cats out. do brooklyn cats just get lost more easily or what?

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 10 October 2013 17:14 (9 months ago) Permalink

little buggy wumpums is basically a glorified baby

The Dance Twerking Was MADE So (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 10 October 2013 17:16 (9 months ago) Permalink

also there is a lot of shit on the street and a lot of places to hide? like, if I was a cat I would totally leave for days at a time and kill rats n shit

The Dance Twerking Was MADE So (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 10 October 2013 17:17 (9 months ago) Permalink

Re leather furniture, even if they don't enjoy scratching it on purpose, they'll poke holes in it every time they jump up on an arm or the back of the couch and use their claws to hold on. It's doomed. My parents' cats did srs damage to the only leather armchair we ever owned.

Tottenham Heelspur (in orbit), Thursday, 10 October 2013 17:26 (9 months ago) Permalink

yep I was thinking the same, I may just get one that's declawed already

frogbs, Thursday, 10 October 2013 18:36 (9 months ago) Permalink

pets ruin everything

Nhex, Thursday, 10 October 2013 18:45 (9 months ago) Permalink

It's been just under a month, but my cat has been trouble free (except for barfing on the rug in my bedroom once). But who's to say I would never have barfed there myself had I not gotten a cat?

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 10 October 2013 18:48 (9 months ago) Permalink

"I want a mutilated cat but I don't want to mutilate it myself" is sort of a weird way of approaching it imo

polyphonic, Thursday, 10 October 2013 19:04 (9 months ago) Permalink

I agree that it's a weird approach. But cats are out there, at shelters. Gonna die. Thousands every day. It is likely that frogs can find one that is already declawed.

how's life, Thursday, 10 October 2013 19:22 (9 months ago) Permalink

maybe you disagree but I think living in a house declawed is probably better than having your claws but being at a shelter where you may remain unwanted until you die. I agree it's kind of a weird rationalization but those are the parameters I'm working with!

frogbs, Thursday, 10 October 2013 19:43 (9 months ago) Permalink

Fair enough!

polyphonic, Thursday, 10 October 2013 19:45 (9 months ago) Permalink

y that's basically my point xp

The Dance Twerking Was MADE So (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 10 October 2013 20:53 (9 months ago) Permalink


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