twin shadow: the official ilm thread started by max

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a dystopian society awaits if we continue on this path. (contenderizer), Thursday, 26 August 2010 17:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

"tyrant destroyed" is apparently the suburban ghost dreams part

a dystopian society awaits if we continue on this path. (contenderizer), Thursday, 26 August 2010 17:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

really stretching to hear the peter gabriel connection. doesn't come anywhere near as as TVOTR sometimes do.

Ha, "Castles in the Snow" reminded me of TVOTR.

jaymc, Thursday, 26 August 2010 17:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

really enjoying the suburban ghost dreams part btw

a dystopian society awaits if we continue on this path. (contenderizer), Thursday, 26 August 2010 17:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

that was matt dc, and it was good

― max, Thursday, August 26, 2010 12:02 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

if you dont like toto i dont like you ®

― max, Thursday, August 26, 2010 12:02 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

whoa whoa whoa -- i didnt say anything about toto, i said montee
& they fit in w/ your 'personal brand' so i associated them w/ you
the retro style felt like the only 'trick', the transcendent bridge or w/e ... spot on pastiche but not more than pastiche

NOT FUNNY NEEDS MORE GUCCI (deej), Thursday, 26 August 2010 17:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

that artist statement tells me everything i need to know about never listening to this

gg eileen (jjjusten), Thursday, 26 August 2010 17:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, out of all the '80s big pop fetishists out there, Montée are among the least interesting.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 26 August 2010 17:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

that artist statement tells me everything i need to know about never listening to this

― gg eileen (jjjusten), Thursday, August 26, 2010 12:11 PM (29 seconds ago) Bookmark

u might be reading it too literally

NOT FUNNY NEEDS MORE GUCCI (deej), Thursday, 26 August 2010 17:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah, it works better if you laugh

a dystopian society awaits if we continue on this path. (contenderizer), Thursday, 26 August 2010 17:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

still kinda o_O

a dystopian society awaits if we continue on this path. (contenderizer), Thursday, 26 August 2010 17:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

some of these songs work fine as demos, but it all screams for a big, glossy 80s production

a dystopian society awaits if we continue on this path. (contenderizer), Thursday, 26 August 2010 17:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

specifically thinking of "when we're dancing"

a dystopian society awaits if we continue on this path. (contenderizer), Thursday, 26 August 2010 17:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

only listened to 2 songs, but so far this is rad

just sayin, Thursday, 26 August 2010 17:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

it is rad, and it doesn't let up. there isn't a bad song on here. otoh, it starts to sound a bit wallpapery after a while. like dude has made a such a close study and perfect reproduction of 80s moody pop that it eventually gets swallowed up by your memories of other stuff. "tether beat" is quite a standout though, love the vibe and quizzical guitar.

a dystopian society awaits if we continue on this path. (contenderizer), Thursday, 26 August 2010 17:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

the guys voice sounds like peter gabriels voice

max, Thursday, 26 August 2010 21:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

i dont know why i bother starting threads on ilm im always disappointed when people dont love stuff as much as i do

max, Thursday, 26 August 2010 21:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

*sighs heavily*

max, Thursday, 26 August 2010 21:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

just do not hear the peter gabriel thing at all, not even on "castles in the snow", which otherwise sounds exactly like TVOTR sounding like peter gabriel. i do like it in spite of it not sounding even a tiny bit like peter gabriel.

a dystopian society awaits if we continue on this path. (contenderizer), Thursday, 26 August 2010 22:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

this thread is a pretty good example of 'branding'

dayo, Friday, 27 August 2010 00:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

i really like these tunes max, thanks for starting this thread

caek, Saturday, 28 August 2010 11:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

just remember: i was there first

max, Saturday, 28 August 2010 14:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

putting you in the acknowledgments of my thesis right now

caek, Saturday, 28 August 2010 14:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

i preferred the start of this thread

I see what this is (Local Garda), Saturday, 28 August 2010 14:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

cool dog

dayo, Sunday, 29 August 2010 00:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

what is this crap? where's the steel guitar?

not everything is a campfire (ian), Sunday, 29 August 2010 02:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

see best line in "graceland" thread

a dystopian society awaits if we continue on this path. (contenderizer), Sunday, 29 August 2010 02:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

Pitchfork gives it an 8.4 and their best new music tag.....let the backlash/indifference begin.

Tim. E "LazRus" Lucas (Prose b4 Hoes...and Big Hoos), Monday, 4 October 2010 06:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

really loving this so far

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Monday, 4 October 2010 10:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

couldn't get into it. I don't like the guy's voice.

dmr, Monday, 4 October 2010 11:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

man I can't wait for this 80s thing to be over so we can get on with an ironic nu-metal cargo shorts revival

(e_3) (Edward III), Monday, 4 October 2010 14:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

oops sorry, thought this was the bat for lashes thread

(e_3) (Edward III), Monday, 4 October 2010 14:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

lol ilx url api sux

try again

caek, Tuesday, 5 October 2010 21:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

Hey I am really liking this album.

And I *do* see the Gabriel thing, at least on a few of the songs - early era Gabriel, not shit like "sledgehammer" ffs. Something about the production and vocal work.

It has a real 80s 4AD feel to it as well: a bit Clan of Xymox, a bit Modern English, in feel.

I am liking this muchly on first listen.

cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Thursday, 21 October 2010 04:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

Stuff like "Slow" on the other hand sounds massively Morrisey-esque.

cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Thursday, 21 October 2010 04:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

YES i knew the gabriel was there thanks trayce

max, Thursday, 21 October 2010 04:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

u r welcome. I totally hear it! Which makes it really bloody good.

cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Thursday, 21 October 2010 04:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

hey guys i'm looking for max's official thread on this band, is this it?

george pimpton (s1ocki), Thursday, 21 October 2010 04:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

I've been loving the shit out of a few bands doing this kind of dreamy 80s pop lately - Bell Hollow, Veil Veil Vanish, old Prids stuff.

xpost haha.

cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Thursday, 21 October 2010 04:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

Also, "im always disappointed when people dont love stuff as much as i do"

I so agree with this :/

cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Thursday, 21 October 2010 04:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

hey slocki--youre in the right place--have a seat

max, Thursday, 21 October 2010 04:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

Last.fm poster said: "Molly Ringwald is dancing to this in her bedroom". hahah <3

cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Thursday, 21 October 2010 05:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

*awkwardly squeezes through row of sitting ilxors and takes last empty seat as max's presentation begins*

george pimpton (s1ocki), Thursday, 21 October 2010 14:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

Realised too late for my top 10 of 2010 ballot that this is my favourite album of the year :/

Stevie T, Thursday, 21 October 2010 14:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's october?

congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 21 October 2010 14:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

Monthly print mag lead times wait for no man.

Stevie T, Thursday, 21 October 2010 14:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

george pimpton (s1ocki), Thursday, 21 October 2010 14:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

i like this a lot.Random friends of mine that have heard me playing it in the background around the house seem to dig it too

Aerosol, Thursday, 21 October 2010 15:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

*raises hand*

I love you girls but that music is for radical faeries (Matt P), Thursday, 21 October 2010 15:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

Have been playing Confess a lot recently. I bought the first album months ago but haven't got round to playing it yet, I'm not sure what I'm saving it for really.

Kitchen Person, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 12:38 (4 months ago) Permalink

a cross between Phil Lynott and a genie.

friday goodness thank it's (flamboyant goon tie included), Tuesday, 15 January 2013 14:22 (4 months ago) Permalink

cmon guys you have to admit now the 2nd album was a letdown

zero dark (s1ocki), Tuesday, 15 January 2013 15:01 (4 months ago) Permalink

nah not even fronting. i like the first one a lil more probably but the 2nd was great too

max, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 15:05 (4 months ago) Permalink

2nd album is way better

❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Tuesday, 15 January 2013 17:09 (4 months ago) Permalink

2nd album is way better

― ❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Tuesday, April 1, 2013 12:09 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

zero dark (s1ocki), Tuesday, 15 January 2013 17:22 (4 months ago) Permalink

forget is star wars, confess is empire. five seconds is the at-at attack on hoth.

ledge, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 11:24 (4 months ago) Permalink

the second album is pretty poor. some of the lyrics are horrendous and make it hard to listen to.

Heterocyclic ring ring (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 16 January 2013 11:36 (4 months ago) Permalink

fyi i prefer star wars

ledge, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 11:48 (4 months ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

Finally got round to playing the first album today (like I said earlier in this thread I've owned it for months now) It totally blows Confess away. This album is incredible! When We're Dancing and Yellow Balloon are my early highlights.

The other day I was reading his reviews on Rate Your Music and came across one for Forget that said, Where did the interesting songs, beautiful vocals, and strange production go? I think they were being way too harsh on Confess but I can see what they mean. Forget is quite unique and just beautiful in places, Confess is way more straight forward and seems a little hollow in comparision. Of course Five Seconds still rules all.

Kitchen Person, Tuesday, 19 February 2013 02:56 (3 months ago) Permalink

so which one of these albums is better?

goole, Tuesday, 19 February 2013 20:06 (3 months ago) Permalink

recently picked up Confess, and it's def holding my attention, but it's also giving me a second-guessy feeling which i haven't really figured out.

goole, Tuesday, 19 February 2013 20:07 (3 months ago) Permalink

the first is way better

flopson, Tuesday, 19 February 2013 20:24 (3 months ago) Permalink

upthread there's an argument about if/how he sounds like peter gabriel. whether he does or not seems a little beside the point.

i forget who argued this (reynolds probably), but there was an argument out there, in the flush of the "80s boom" ten years ago now, that all of the chilly, harsh, dominatrixy, ice queen type vocals that were all over electroclash and neo-nuwave at the time were a serious misremembering of 80s. that the 80s were a time of very lush and florid and soulful vocals; even about vocal pyrotechnics being attempted by people who really couldn't do them (phil oakey, hi) -- iirc the end of this piece wondered when the bigger, cheesier, sweatier 80s would come back into fashion

i have this in mind because it sounds to me like TS is trying to fully inhabit the lame side of the 80s, the grand reach of "boys of summer" or phil collins or even clapton's "behind the mask". certainly on ilm (and in my house) this is a very natural and welcome kind of move. seems obvious to describe it here, even.

to try to put my finger on it, Confess is giving me a play-acting feeling. like running into someone who always cops an accent. like he's treating 80s arena-pop the same way rockabilly or bluegrass bands treat their referent sources. is he a roots act?

"run my heart" rules pretty hard though.

goole, Tuesday, 19 February 2013 20:37 (3 months ago) Permalink

the first is way better

― flopson, Tuesday, February 19, 2013 3:24 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

zero dark (s1ocki), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 21:48 (3 months ago) Permalink

otm

слабоумие и отвага (cozen), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 21:50 (3 months ago) Permalink

first one is better

max, Tuesday, 19 February 2013 21:57 (3 months ago) Permalink

all right, shit

goole, Tuesday, 19 February 2013 21:57 (3 months ago) Permalink

i have this in mind because it sounds to me like TS is trying to fully inhabit the lame side of the 80s, the grand reach of "boys of summer" or phil collins or even clapton's "behind the mask".

totally, see also rhye and the one vocal track on cfcf's new ep

max, Tuesday, 19 February 2013 22:02 (3 months ago) Permalink

or chad valley for that matter

max, Tuesday, 19 February 2013 22:03 (3 months ago) Permalink

i'm a full calendar year behind on all music fyi

goole, Tuesday, 19 February 2013 22:05 (3 months ago) Permalink

thx tho!

goole, Tuesday, 19 February 2013 22:05 (3 months ago) Permalink

haha i am paying extra close attention b/c i have been waiting for this particular flavor of 80s revivalism to break wide since tv on the radio

max, Tuesday, 19 February 2013 22:07 (3 months ago) Permalink

oh man i never liked them

goole, Tuesday, 19 February 2013 22:07 (3 months ago) Permalink

totally, see also rhye and the one vocal track on cfcf's new ep

― max, Tuesday, February 19, 2013 10:02

What new CFCF EP? Or do you mean Exercises?

groovypanda, Wednesday, 20 February 2013 10:43 (3 months ago) Permalink

yeah I mean the David sylvian half cover on exercises

max, Wednesday, 20 February 2013 11:32 (3 months ago) Permalink

Ah. I got all excited for a moment as Exercises was one of my favourite releases of last year.

groovypanda, Thursday, 21 February 2013 11:47 (3 months ago) Permalink

which rhye tracks/lp do you have in mind, because i'm not hearing it?

caek, Friday, 22 February 2013 22:31 (2 months ago) Permalink

MUSO POST

i figured out what he's doing on guitar here. it's an alternate tuning! and a pretty odd one; it's tuned to an Eb maj 7 chord

Eb Bb Eb G Bb D

i wonder how he came up with that, and if he writes in that tuning a lot. somebody should ask him!

goole, Thursday, 28 February 2013 18:31 (2 months ago) Permalink


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