"My Chemical Romance is this generation's Nirvana"

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Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 20:25 (eighteen years ago) link

eppy otm. why is this thread so popular?

whatever (boglogger), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 20:25 (eighteen years ago) link

I was actually going to say that I decided at lunch that MCR are actually this generation's NIN.

http://news.softpedia.com/images/news2/Nine-Inch-Nails-banned-out-from-MTV-Movie-Awards-2.jpg

http://www.andiemarkoebyrne.com/2005/my%20chemical%20romance325.jpg

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 20:26 (eighteen years ago) link

(There's actually a 1994 press shot that's even better for the comparison but I can't seem to find it.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 20:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, both came up through a particular subculture and in the end were mainly embraced by said subculture but had a decent amount of crossover success and led people in different directions than they'd have gone in otherwise. Some people have a very strong attachment and many either respect 'em or consider them "gay" or "weird."

Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 20:30 (eighteen years ago) link

This thread is popular because old wo/men want to be young again.

James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 20:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Maybe people should listen to music instead of spending all their time placing it in some historical social context.

Kee-rist, man. Can we not do both?

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 20:32 (eighteen years ago) link

I tend to think Pumpkins myself, Eppy, but both bands are good comparison points.

Kee-rist, man. Can we not do both?

Absolutely not, there's a law against that.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 20:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Kee-rist, man. Can we not do both?

We can do both, but I find the "next best thing" idea to be a bit infantile. Don't you? Isn't this topic basically older guys living vicariously through the rock heroes of today's kids? It's one thing to have idols when we're teenagers, but to look for idols when we're supposedly adults is a bit odd to me. Does it matter what rock band becomes the next Nirvana to the kids today?

From a sociological or cultural perspective, this might be interesting. But I can't imagine mustering more than bland, neutral pleasure from trying to experience it as kids today do.


James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 20:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Is this whole thing just people trying to re-experience a feeling they had when they were 15?

James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 20:39 (eighteen years ago) link

This generation is the next generation's "that generation".

nancyboy (nancyboy), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 20:39 (eighteen years ago) link

And I'm sure there are people in the generation before us who have also moved on to bigger and better things.

James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 20:40 (eighteen years ago) link

Ultragrrrl = cooler and more in-the-know than you because she can view search topics.

Anyway, I'm calling MCR = this generation's CCR.

rogermexico (rogermexico), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 20:51 (eighteen years ago) link

the NIN comparison is OTM

dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 20:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Yes, but Carrot-Top.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 20:56 (eighteen years ago) link

nobody's saying you have to experience MCR as kids today do. it's the same with teenpop, nobody's saying you have to be (or pretend to be) a strawman 12-year-old girl to enjoy Skye Sweetnam. you're trying to experience it as a 35-year-old who likes pop or rock music.

people have niches, that's fine, but niches age too. if MCR falls in your particular row to hoe and you ignore them in favour of similar bands from 10 years ago, that's your prerogative, but you will likely find that the audience for your writing will rise in average age, as well as steadily decrease in size.

yuengling participle (rotten03), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 21:01 (eighteen years ago) link

It's funny that new-Reznor has completely thrown off most of the affectations of old, though! People I know who went to a recent concert thought that everyone in the band looked like Trent Reznor, except for Trent Reznor. I'd like to see those MCR guys get some fitness madness and shave their heads in 15 years, though.

mike h. (mike h.), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 21:12 (eighteen years ago) link

But why the emphasis on the nextness of it then? Why the need for pretending it's important. I'm saying it's fine to enjoy rock music, but to have to compare it some canon act to legitimize it is fucking bullshit. The problem with all this is not the enjoyment of music, the problem is the inability to enjoy music as something other than a significant youth cultural icon, the incapacity to enjoy something without making it self-important. And anyone writing about the importance of bands in relationship with Nirvana is fertilizer as far as I'm concerned.

And I actually agree with some of what Ultragrrl is saying.

James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 21:16 (eighteen years ago) link

Being old is where it's at.

James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 21:17 (eighteen years ago) link

There is no better feeling than being out of touch.

James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 21:18 (eighteen years ago) link

I think the emphasis on nextness has more to do with journalism than criticism. If you're reading, say, The Believer chances are you're going to expect historical perspective and if you read Blender you're looking for the latest thing. There's nothing wrong with either perspective.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 21:44 (eighteen years ago) link

I thought greying musos complaining at losing their edge was the rage in zero-two?

winter testing, Wednesday, 8 March 2006 21:47 (eighteen years ago) link

(200+ posts on MY CHEMICAL ROMANCE????? Really?)

Dan (What's Next, The Cultural Ramifications Of Lifehouse?) Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 21:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Nah, Three Doors Down.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 21:49 (eighteen years ago) link

"How Ne-Yo Rocked The World"

Dan (Find One (1) Interesting Band) Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 21:50 (eighteen years ago) link

i think this has more to do with a girl telling some nerdy guys that they're not hip anymore.

ant@work, Wednesday, 8 March 2006 22:15 (eighteen years ago) link

hip versus relevant, maybe

mike h. (mike h.), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 22:18 (eighteen years ago) link

"The problem with all this is not the enjoyment of music"

no, the problem with all this is not not the writing of how to not be able to not enjoy some dumbass group that does not cut the mustard just like the rest of 'em, not.

whatever (boglogger), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 22:32 (eighteen years ago) link

i think this has more to do with a girl telling some nerdy guys that they're not hip anymore.

And oh how my heart is bent.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 22:35 (eighteen years ago) link

Current popularity and cultural/musical significance are not the same thing, although Ultragrrrl equates the two. See U2 post-Joshua Tree, or Pearl Jam post-Vitalogy.

Keep in mind that Ultragrrrl likes to think that she 'discovered' MCR (although they were widely known in NY/NJ long before she knew who they were, and on their way to a major-label contract), and it's pretty obvious to me that she sees herself as this generation's Malcolm McLaren or something. She probably thinks the Misshapes parties are the 00's version of Max's Kansas City or CBGB.

cdwill (cdwill), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 22:46 (eighteen years ago) link

What nonsense. Clearly it's Club Bang. I saw the photos.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 22:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Current popularity and cultural/musical significance are not the same thing, although Ultragrrrl equates the two.

Completely true and OTM, but then someone says something like this --

some dumbass group that does not cut the mustard just like the rest of 'em, not

-- which doesn't fly for me. The issue isn't this group in particular; it's a lot of groups like this, and the fact that they're actual formative favorite-band material for lots of kids. It's a whole musical worldview and grounding that a sizeable number of people are going to have. Casting any one band as not-cutting-mustard is fair enough and often accurate, but insufficient to really understand the gaps between those different musical worldviews.

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 22:52 (eighteen years ago) link

(I.e., the subtext here isn't just that a bunch of kids like some crappy band -- it's that a whole bunch of kids listen exclusively to a whole bunch of bands you'd define as "some crappy band." And so after a while the dismissiveness of the "some crappy band" line becomes problematic, or at least further and further removed from those people for whom -- even if they thought the band was crappy, too! -- there was a whole lot more to it than that.)

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 22:56 (eighteen years ago) link

again, nabisco OTM, and i don't think it's just an issue for working music journalists either. it's not just that these kids are going to grow up and buy magazines / read blogs etc. a lot of my older friends who were dissing all the new bands as a point of pride a few years ago are now saying how there are no good bands anymore, where are all the good bands? and what they really mean is, "where are all the good bands who are directly descended from the bands i used to like?" by dismissing today's pop without really trying to engage with it, not only are you denying yourself new avenues of pleasure, you're also setting yourself up for the day when most of the music that's popular is descended from the stuff you refused to give a chance to.

yuengling participle (rotten03), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 23:03 (eighteen years ago) link

A whole bunch of crappy bands changed my life.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 23:06 (eighteen years ago) link

for real...like honestly, i prolly like that crappy Y&T cassette i had as much as Master of Puppets when it came out.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 23:08 (eighteen years ago) link

x-post -- But I thought the Beatles were the only group that mattered!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 23:11 (eighteen years ago) link

here's yancey's seattle weekly review of three cheers..., which seems to address questions I had upthread:

"MY CHEMICAL ROMANCE
Three Cheers for Sweet Revenge
(Warner Bros.)

Now that after-school programs and arts funding are being excised from our public schools thanks to the Bush tax cut and the states' subsequent budget rejiggering, music has become the latchkey baby-sitter, educator, and supporter of our world-weary teens. Guess what, Mom and Pop, you'd best be keeping tabs on your children's favorite bands, since they'll likely have as big an effect on the kids' worldview as you will. And if your kids have any sort of taste, New Jersey newcomers My Chemical Romance's "I'm Not Okay (I Promise)" rocks their Discmans regularly. The MTV-ready single—featuring a playful, Rushmore-lite video—puts some pump in the slump of many a tragi-lescent with its peppy, let's-group-hug-the-pain-away chorus and all-inclusive sentimentality. The rest of the quintet's major-label debut similarly sandblasts dimples on middle-class ennui thanks to Gerard Way's hyperactive, hiccupping vocals and guitarist Ray Toto's unabashed love for both the Fugazi and Guns N' Roses catalogs. Considering the smart, sensitive, and melodic pleas of "Helena," "Cemetery Drive," and "It's Not a Fashion Statement, It's a Death Wish," we could do worse than a generation hooked on emo. Sure, it sucks that there ain't much adult supervision or book learnin' going on, but why educate when the only goal of our education system is to raise more burger flippers, right? YANCEY STR1CKLER"

etc, Wednesday, 8 March 2006 23:29 (eighteen years ago) link

I could go for a burger right now

tubesoxx, Wednesday, 8 March 2006 23:31 (eighteen years ago) link

in honour of this thread, i will eat at McDonalds tonight, and strike up conversations with delinquents.

yuengling participle (rotten03), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 23:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Reach out to those younger folks with their hip beat music! (I'm going to go find some crochety old people and egg their house.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 23:40 (eighteen years ago) link

Now that after-school programs and arts funding are being excised from our public schools thanks to the Bush tax cut and the states' subsequent budget rejiggering, music has become the latchkey baby-sitter, educator, and supporter of our world-weary teens....(the song) puts some pump in the slump of many a tragi-lescent with its peppy, let's-group-hug-the-pain-away chorus and all-inclusive sentimentality...Sure, it sucks that there ain't much adult supervision or book learnin' going on, but why educate when the only goal of our education system is to raise more burger flippers, right?

You really need excuses and pseudogrievances like these to justify the fact that one of the most affluent groups of people in history (middle-class Americans) are incredibly self-indulgent. What problems do emo and MCR fans have that need to be "hugged away"?

It's hard to symptathize with bands and audiences who whine and cry a lot unless you give them all sorts of big problems for which they are trying to cope with (real or not). They just look like brats without the grievances and so you can't make their crosses fast enough.

Jingo, Thursday, 9 March 2006 00:22 (eighteen years ago) link

"it's pretty obvious to me that she sees herself as this generation's Malcolm McLaren or something."

if MCR are her Sex Pistols, what will be her Bow Wow Wow? or duck rock, for that matter.

latebloomer: keeping his reputation for an intense on-set presence (latebloomer), Thursday, 9 March 2006 00:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Did anyone else see she's selling a book called "Pocket DJ: Ultragrrrl's Guide to Building the Best Music Library"?

Steev (Steev), Thursday, 9 March 2006 00:36 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh yeah, and I was gonna say that MCR seem to be the American-mirror to the Arctic Monkeys. They both grew from the online community and seemed to tap all the right youth trends. But the very things that seem to make them popular domestically also seems to limit the success that can be allowed in the other country.

MCR looks like such a caricature of a "Hot Topic band" that I can't see them expanding their audience too much outside of that audience and the Arctic Monkeys seem a little too tied to British culture to have the kind of success Franz Ferdind had in America. We'll see though.

Jingo, Thursday, 9 March 2006 00:37 (eighteen years ago) link

why do bands have to be this generation's anything? Nirvana and MCR? EQUALLY IRRELEVANT! Both have written some fine little songs (I'm quite a fan, begrudgingly, of some of MCR's work), but NEITHER BAND RE-INVENTED THE DAMN WHEEL! Get over it.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 9 March 2006 00:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Also, record companies aren't scurryinig arond trying to find MCR clone-bands, so already her point is moot.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 9 March 2006 00:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Deep-frying chimi changas is this generation's burger-flipping.

Terrible Cold (Terrible Cold), Thursday, 9 March 2006 00:41 (eighteen years ago) link

xxxpost

i could do a LOT better than a generation hooked on (m)emo.

whatever (boglogger), Thursday, 9 March 2006 00:42 (eighteen years ago) link

If anyone has paid attention to her questionable music taste, they would be ready to discount whatever she blathers out.

Steev (Steev), Thursday, 9 March 2006 00:47 (eighteen years ago) link


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