the bbc sherlock series by the dr who 'bloke' and starring tim from the office

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low expectations for this, found it to be surprisingly enjoyable, although there's plenty of stuff to nitpick about. ep 2 was the weakest, I think, trying to update the 19th century version of the "exotic orient" just came off a bit too silly. and ending the last ep on a cliffhanger, with no word on when the next one will be-- irritating. but everyone above on the greatness of Cumberbatch is otm.

her breath came in short pants (sciolism), Monday, 9 August 2010 20:51 (six years ago) Permalink

How come there's only three episodes? That seems crazy.

Benedict Cumberbatch is the name of some Hogwarts reject, I still refuse to believe that that is a real name.

ô_o (Nicole), Monday, 9 August 2010 20:57 (six years ago) Permalink

conrad, Monday, 9 August 2010 21:01 (six years ago) Permalink

That might be even worse! Although it is pretty close.

ô_o (Nicole), Monday, 9 August 2010 21:02 (six years ago) Permalink

Three 1 1/2 hour films is pretty good going - wouldn't have been surprised if they'd just got to make one single episode to start with, tbh (though I think they did an hour-long unscreened pilot which became the first episode). Presume Moffatt and Gatiss a bit busy with Doctor Who stuff as well.

Also, everyone saying Ben Cucumberpatch is awesome is incredibly OTM. I've seen him in other stuff and not been wowed, but he fits this really well.

ailsa, Monday, 9 August 2010 21:06 (six years ago) Permalink

Speaking of weird and colonial, three guesses why Cumberbatch is a relatively common name amongst African-Americans. Benedict Cumberbatch is really excellent.

Won't someone respond to my point that Mark Gatiss' Mycroft is like watching Peter Mandelson in panto?

duchy of Pornwall (suzy), Monday, 9 August 2010 21:11 (six years ago) Permalink

three guesses why Cumberbatch is a relatively common name amongst African-Americans

This reminds me of thinking that maybe ska pioneer Theophilus Beckford was related to mento singer Stanley Beckford or U-Roy aka Ewart Beckford, until it was pointed out that there was another reason why a lot of Jamaicans are called Beckford. Which was a slight bummer to my joyful contemplation of reggae history.

Think it's about time I watched this Sherlock, too.

rah rah rah wd smash the oiks (a passing spacecadet), Monday, 9 August 2010 21:26 (six years ago) Permalink

Didn't Gatiss say he'd based him on Mandelson?

ailsa, Monday, 9 August 2010 21:37 (six years ago) Permalink

I have no idea, but it is super-funny. I want to see him sitting on a big throne with a bound volume of fairy tales.

Benedict Cumberbatch has brought his family history up in interviews to basically say o_0. A few years ago I was at a book launch and was introduced to a frightfully posh young man whose surname was Womack. I hadn't realized this was an English name AT ALL until that point, and then the guy told me the singers' surname was no accident because theirs had been a slaving family.

duchy of Pornwall (suzy), Monday, 9 August 2010 21:47 (six years ago) Permalink

Just watched the third one, this kind of nonsense is 100% up my street. Not much that I didn't enjoy, there. A few months ago we re-watched all the Jonathan Creeks and this filled the void that left quite nicely. Although J-Creek wouldn't have had any woooo mysteeeerious stuff (left mysterious).

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Not the real Village People, Tuesday, 10 August 2010 05:39 (six years ago) Permalink

Btw in the opening shot, my husband was convinced that Sherlock was actually Alan Rickman. He looks and sounds identical there!

Not the real Village People, Tuesday, 10 August 2010 06:19 (six years ago) Permalink

Only grouse so far (apart from the fact that ep.2 wasn't as good as the other 2) is I hope they don't just go for lots of murders. One of the things I enjoyed about the originals is the stories about non-lethal puzzles and oddities.

According to Zoe Ball (who, I'm sure, must know) Cumberbatch went up for Dr. Who and Matt Smith went up for Dr. Watson. Someone in casting seems to be doing the right thing anyway.

i find music confusing and annoying (Ned Trifle II), Tuesday, 10 August 2010 09:09 (six years ago) Permalink

They're already setting up Holmes marathons in the USA
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5iVaDQ26TVnBtf3h0iisgyybUFRTQ

i find music confusing and annoying (Ned Trifle II), Tuesday, 10 August 2010 09:10 (six years ago) Permalink

Matt Smith read for Watson and was judged too manic, but when BC was approached to try for Doctor Who, he didn't want to do it because of the merchandising nightmare. This information is available to anyone who reads a newspaper.

duchy of Pornwall (suzy), Tuesday, 10 August 2010 09:28 (six years ago) Permalink

cumberbatch would have made an impeccable doctor imo

progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 10 August 2010 09:30 (six years ago) Permalink

This was a lot of fun to watch, and I hope they make more... Cumberbatch borrows a couple of mannerisms from Brett (quick lift off the chair while sitting in it indian-style, and the quick flash of rictus type of smile) but takes a totally different, and appealing, tack with the character. I also loved the mindfuck where they show the overhead shot of him at his desk, looking like he's just shot up. As intended, it made me think "here we go again, lazy scriptwriters making Holmes use cocaine DURING a case, which he never ever does" and then it turns out to be nicotine patches! Hilarious. They got me.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Tuesday, 10 August 2010 09:41 (six years ago) Permalink

I had no idea his mum is Wanda Ventham. Blimey.

Michael Jones, Tuesday, 10 August 2010 09:46 (six years ago) Permalink

BC even turned up as a guest in a friend's wedding photos last week (she's from a luvvie family too). Truly this man gets everywhere.

duchy of Pornwall (suzy), Tuesday, 10 August 2010 09:50 (six years ago) Permalink

Fast forward to 7:14 for nice comic moment and Michael Winner looking like an ass.

State Attorney Foxhart Cubycheck (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 10 August 2010 09:51 (six years ago) Permalink

cumberbatch would have made an impeccable doctor imo

He would have ruined the show for me thanks to his "You have to bite it!" scene in Atonement. In Sherlock it's not as bad because I can't see him raping Martin Freeman.

ô_o (Nicole), Tuesday, 10 August 2010 11:08 (six years ago) Permalink

I'm sure ILX's slashfic aficionados know where to find exactly what you describe.

duchy of Pornwall (suzy), Tuesday, 10 August 2010 11:15 (six years ago) Permalink

I had no idea his mum is Wanda Ventham. Blimey.

Blimey indeed, I just happnened to see her in The Saint before I left the house, what a babe!

Dr. Who is a bit like Sherlock Holmes in many way.

tom d: he did what he had to do now he is dead (Tom D.), Tuesday, 10 August 2010 11:15 (six years ago) Permalink

Blimey indeed, I just happnened to see her in The Saint before I left the house, what a babe!

would objectify

unchill english bro (history mayne), Tuesday, 10 August 2010 11:18 (six years ago) Permalink

Really ejoyed this. Even Martin Freeman was suprisingly decent, but Cumberbatch was amazing in the Sherlock role. Was talking to a friend about Cumberbatch in Doctor Who and we both came to the conclusion he would make a great Master to play off Matt Smith if Steven Moffat ever goes down that route.

Mr.Prologue, Tuesday, 10 August 2010 11:35 (six years ago) Permalink

would objectify

― unchill english bro (history mayne), 35 minutes ago

^^^^^^^^Genuine laugh out loud at this popping up in blog view. Would seriously love if this caught on as a meme.

Kinda follow Penny Red's views on "oh lawd enough with the Holmes already" but, erm, I <3 Cumberbatch for his Momusian turn in To The Ends Of The Earth. I'm avoiding reading any of the slash (it's already turning up in my LJ stream) until I've seen the thing. Which at my rate of tellyviewing is, erm, never.

That is all.

all your life is channel 13, Sesame Street, what does it mean? (Masonic Boom), Tuesday, 10 August 2010 11:57 (six years ago) Permalink

I'm avoiding reading any of the slash (it's already turning up in my LJ stream)

always read this as LJ you-know-who

"It's far from 'loi' you were reared, boy" (darraghmac), Tuesday, 10 August 2010 11:58 (six years ago) Permalink

Loving it so far - Cumberbatch great, Freeman really good as well (nicely balanced between easy-to-follow everyman & the more actorly damaged army doctor, which is a nice reading of Watson), there's wit & nous in the modernising, cute nods for the fans around the place (Mycroft losing weight, Rache, plenty more I'm missing), really likes London. Perfect Sunday viewing.

And seconded on the drug-haze misdirect - so glad that it didn't just blunder into the world of EDGY Holmes cliché.

tetrahedron of space (woof), Tuesday, 10 August 2010 12:12 (six years ago) Permalink

Another vote for 'would objectify'. LULZ

duchy of Pornwall (suzy), Tuesday, 10 August 2010 14:45 (six years ago) Permalink

Thought this was going to be a disaster and was blown away - the bar is set so high in the first ep that the second seems really weak by comparison, tho. LOVED the Mycroft scene in the first ep, fooled me completely.

In the original Study in Scarlet 'Rache' actually IS the German word for revenge! So to have Sherlock lecture Lestrade on how pedestrian that guess is is hilarious.

Nice fan site, tons of interviews etc http://www.sherlocking.org/

Brakhage, Tuesday, 10 August 2010 15:32 (six years ago) Permalink

This information is available to anyone who reads a newspaper

If only I could find one I liked.

there are so few places i can wear my jester costume (Ned Trifle II), Wednesday, 11 August 2010 01:22 (six years ago) Permalink

I got confused and thought Moriarty was the Rupert Graves-replacing copper from the second episode. And was like, "Why is he talking about his underwear?". Anyway.

Thought this was very entertaining indeed, although mugging Jim Carrey Moriarty was almost a last-minute shark jumping moment. Did they resolve how the four cases were connected, or was it just Moriarty fucking around?

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 13 August 2010 09:03 (six years ago) Permalink

What a bloody awful thread title.

I didn't mind Moriarty really. The way his character was built up and up and kept mysterious that his eventual reveal was always going to be a bit of a slight let down.

Though you know you're getting old when Holmes and Moriarty start looking young.

Born too beguiled (DavidM), Friday, 13 August 2010 09:30 (six years ago) Permalink

i never made the sherlock holmes / dr who connection before

You're kidding

Born too beguiled (DavidM), Friday, 13 August 2010 09:33 (six years ago) Permalink

I liked his mutable, squirming accent, good take on it I thought.

Hide the prickforks (GamalielRatsey), Friday, 13 August 2010 09:34 (six years ago) Permalink

You're kidding

i'm not!!

progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Friday, 13 August 2010 09:41 (six years ago) Permalink

Moriarty reminded me of some weird cross between Paul McCartney and Sam Rockwell.

ô_o (Nicole), Friday, 13 August 2010 12:51 (six years ago) Permalink

couldn't make heads or tails of his accent for a while, until it seemed like it settled down on 'irish' of some kind?

pies. (gbx), Friday, 13 August 2010 13:52 (six years ago) Permalink

The actor's from Dublin, so, yeah, 'Irish'.

Moriarty reminded me of some weird cross between Paul McCartney

Ha, he played McCartney in the recent awful Lennon Naked, with former Dr Who Chris Eccleston. It's all connected...

Born too beguiled (DavidM), Friday, 13 August 2010 14:01 (six years ago) Permalink

Huh. Weird.

ô_o (Nicole), Friday, 13 August 2010 14:03 (six years ago) Permalink

LOL, he was quite convincing as Macca in that

tom d: he did what he had to do now he is dead (Tom D.), Friday, 13 August 2010 14:14 (six years ago) Permalink

What a bloody awful thread title.

START YOUR OWN THREAD 'DAVIDM'

max, Saturday, 14 August 2010 17:28 (six years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

This information is available to anyone who reads a newspaper.

I read one, it didn’t have anything about Sherlock in it.

Wished they hadn’t done a Moriarty reveal so early, but liked him having already popped up and pranked Holmes, and v much liked the shifting accent making him harder for Holmes to deduce anything from.

bitchmaid (sic), Tuesday, 12 October 2010 23:42 (six years ago) Permalink

NPR coverage:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=130572175

PBS is airing this on the 24th on "Mystery!".

Jaw dropping, thong dropping monster (kingfish), Friday, 15 October 2010 20:10 (six years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

This is the first thing on PBS "Masterpiece" that I've enjoyed in ages.

macaroni rascal (polyphonic), Wednesday, 3 November 2010 22:08 (six years ago) Permalink

PBS cuts out like 5-10 minutes from each one though, which is pretty lame.

Loup-Garou G (The Yellow Kid), Thursday, 4 November 2010 03:21 (six years ago) Permalink

i enjoyed this a lot more than i thought i would, considering the granada/jeremy brett series is probably my favorite tv show ever.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 4 November 2010 04:12 (six years ago) Permalink

I feel like these could suffer to lose five minutes! maybe less so the first episode. It'd depend if it was general tightening-up or if it was just whole scenes gone, though.

thomp, Thursday, 4 November 2010 10:56 (six years ago) Permalink

Now that this has been on PBS, my mom told me that she has a crush on Benedict Cumberbatch. File that under information I really did not need to know.

romoing my damn eyes (Nicole), Thursday, 4 November 2010 11:05 (six years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

watched the first two episodes of this over the weekend. it's pretty fun (and looks cool, lots of interesting camera angles - is this common for bbc series?) but i was groaning when the first episode went into princess bride "battle of wits" territory.

bows don't kill people, arrows do (Jordan), Monday, 29 November 2010 16:32 (six years ago) Permalink

wat if maigret but in space

Houston John (Bananaman Begins), Monday, 16 January 2017 10:46 (two days ago) Permalink

Good thing there was plenty more screentime for Mycroft, though. He's the best one!

trishyb, Monday, 16 January 2017 11:04 (two days ago) Permalink

I get the feeling when the Russians allegedly leaked ep 3 onto the torrents a couple of days ago that there wasn't even a significant demand for it. Also the headline about the BBC enquiry into the leak, lol! Russia be bricking it.

calzino, Monday, 16 January 2017 11:26 (two days ago) Permalink

Euros was a cross between Hannibal Lecter, Jigsaw, and a j-horror ghost girl. Ridiculous.

It had actual detection scenes in it so it was better than the Six Thatchers, but not by much.

Einstein, Kazanga, Sitar (abanana), Monday, 16 January 2017 18:55 (two days ago) Permalink

but someone gets a throwaway line about how Thatcher is like Napoleon, which she isn't

Yes, that irritated me from the start.

Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Monday, 16 January 2017 19:10 (two days ago) Permalink

tbf, Maggie was the PM during the Falkland Islands War, which was the 45th most important war of the 20th century.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Monday, 16 January 2017 19:21 (two days ago) Permalink

Quietus nailed it, I could barely make it through the last ep. The reference in the article to the taxi driver scene from S1 was a cruel reminder of how good the show used to be. Everyone's contracted for S5, so unfortunately we have further to fall

Brakhage, Monday, 16 January 2017 20:28 (two days ago) Permalink

Yeah, the taxi driver scene is a good comparison, because it was a very intense but quite bit of drama, where two people matched their wits, and Sherlock tried to deduce whether the taxi driver could really predict which pill he would choose... But it was still a human scene, you could still put yourself in that situation and see how you could've made the same conclusion as Sherlock. But in this season Sherlock can predict two weeks into the future, the bad guy can predict years into the future, she can be sure that none of the three protagonists die in that grenade explosion (which wasn't even really necessary, cos all she wanted was them to come to Sherrinford), because her mind games wouldn't work if all three weren't there, plus she appears to have telepathic powers comparable to Charles Xavier. It's ridiculous.

So the characters in this series have become wizards, there's nothing human left in them anymore. Moffat and Gatiss seemed to think that the threats the protagonists face have to escalate every seriers, so Holmes and Watson have to fight mass killers in every episode now, not solve any "ordinary" mysteries... Even though the original stories always balanced between more mundane and gruesome crimes, giving them a nice balance. That balance seems to be lost here, it's all on hyperdrive and it's all so dull now.

Tuomas, Monday, 16 January 2017 20:51 (two days ago) Permalink

"a very intense but quiet bit of drama"

Tuomas, Monday, 16 January 2017 20:52 (two days ago) Permalink

Today, sherlock fans, we have to be soldiers, and that means to hell with what happens to us.

The quietus: To be completely fair, about half of this episode is like a quite good episode of a different show.

Guess I missed that half.

brekekekexit collapse collapse (ledge), Monday, 16 January 2017 21:16 (two days ago) Permalink

Well actually I did miss the second half, since the first one was so bad I decided washing up would be a more enjoyable way of spending my time.

brekekekexit collapse collapse (ledge), Monday, 16 January 2017 21:39 (two days ago) Permalink

the second half devolved pretty completely into incoherence

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Monday, 16 January 2017 21:42 (two days ago) Permalink

the fact that this stuff is on at a prime slot on a sunday and promoted as well as it was reminds me of how Sapphire and Steel used to be on twice a week on primetime itv.

koogs, Monday, 16 January 2017 22:53 (two days ago) Permalink

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Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 17 January 2017 03:59 (yesterday) Permalink

trying to imagine a whole country watching Sapphire and Steel at the same time, it's like an episode of Sapphire and Steel

erry red flag (f. hazel), Tuesday, 17 January 2017 06:59 (yesterday) Permalink

(11.8M viewers for S&S apparently. But there were only 3 channels at the time and no remote controls)

koogs, Tuesday, 17 January 2017 07:13 (yesterday) Permalink

Everyone's contracted for S5, so unfortunately we have further to fall

Now that Sherlock is "cured" of his misanthropy/sociopathy, there will be all the fun of him falling in love on a regular basis, I expect.

trishyb, Tuesday, 17 January 2017 13:02 (yesterday) Permalink

I think it's kinda sad that this episode was such a misstep, because the was a germ of a good idea there: that Sherlock would finally come across a case he can't solve with his wits, only by using his empathy. I even kinda liked the oh-so-blunt metaphor they used to signal this, when kid Aurus was always asking kid Sherlock, "won't you play with me?", and in the end he was literally playing (the violin) with her, DO YOU SEE? But that human-sized story was buried under all the "clever" audience misdirection, fanwankery, ridiculous plot holes, and the whole stupid attempt to out-Hannibal Hannibal Lecter. It really felt like Moffat & Gatiss forgot like they were writing Sherlock and not Dr. Who (where such stuff is more tolerable since it's science fantasy, not detective fiction).

Tuomas, Tuesday, 17 January 2017 13:15 (yesterday) Permalink

I think it's also telling that only one of the main plots this season was actually a mystery brought to Sherlock by a client, and even in that case the client turned out to be fake and tied to a larger non-detective plot. And the characters who were essential when this was still a detective/police procedural (Molly, Gregson, the other cops) have been completely sidelined, while main characters have been reduced to family members and lovers.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 17 January 2017 13:20 (yesterday) Permalink

oh my, what was that shit !??
joining the choir : that was simply horrible. For all the reasons already mentioned.
I could barely watch it. actually, at some point, like Ledge, I had to go and do something else as I couldn't stand it anymore.
Especially the sister and her silly mind games which were somewhere between kids/teenagers games and TV games.
So many things that didn't make sense in that story...
I also realized I can't stand Moriarty who's like a synthesis of the show : affected over the top emo.
I thought they hit rock bottom with ep1 of this season but this was even worse.
Is it the final ep of the season ? It seemed like it by the end but I thought there were 4ep ?

AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 17 January 2017 16:18 (yesterday) Permalink

It really felt like Moffat & Gatiss forgot like they were writing Sherlock and not Dr. Who

It's utter wank when they do it there too.

Mud... Jam... Failure... (aldo), Tuesday, 17 January 2017 18:48 (yesterday) Permalink

Agreed. I don't even watch Doctor Who anymore.

trishyb, Tuesday, 17 January 2017 19:45 (yesterday) Permalink

Is it the final ep of the season ? It seemed like it by the end but I thought there were 4ep ?

Yes. Thankfully only three.

And at the moment, quite possible that there'll be no more.

groovypanda, Tuesday, 17 January 2017 21:17 (yesterday) Permalink

We have yet to see Sherlock water ski.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Tuesday, 17 January 2017 21:19 (yesterday) Permalink

What I meant was, if this was Dr. Who, the idea that some person can control an entire prison staff and make them do things they wouldn't want to is ok, because it's sci-fi, you can just write her to have telepathic powers. But in here, as cool as it may have seemed to Moffat & Gatiss, it's nonsensical, it break the suspension of disbelief.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 17 January 2017 21:20 (yesterday) Permalink

no its shit when writing is lazy emo wank in any genre

trilby mouth (darraghmac), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 00:08 (five hours ago) Permalink

Pattern detection: basically anything with Martin Freeman seems destined to overextend itself until it's so far past being meaningful, tense or funny that you wonder WHY?!? WHY AM I WATCHING THIS?!? THIS IS AWFUL!!! I think he's part of a plot.

The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 02:50 (three hours ago) Permalink

(note: TV Fargo (may have) avoided this fate by only using him for one season. Maybe they know what's up)

The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 02:54 (three hours ago) Permalink


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