the bbc sherlock series by the dr who 'bloke' and starring tim from the office

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lot of grousing on ~forums~ earlier about moriarty and his accent but I thought he was ace

cozen, Monday, 9 August 2010 15:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

moriarty was p. great last night. Also really like the floating-text-message device. and the coat.
xp otm

stet, Monday, 9 August 2010 15:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

moriarty was great i thought! sad that it's already over tho? didnt realise there were only going to be 3 eps

just sayin, Monday, 9 August 2010 15:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

has xmas special written all over it

cozen, Monday, 9 August 2010 15:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

Haven't seen the third one yet but the first two were pretty good fun, I hope they spin a few more out of them.

Matt DC, Monday, 9 August 2010 16:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

woah wait, what, that's it? ffs.

stet, Monday, 9 August 2010 16:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

3 eps too many imho

former moderator, please give generously (DG), Monday, 9 August 2010 16:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

well each one is the length of a movie. it's basically 3 dr whos, or 6 half hours of american television (approx 20 mins each)

progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Monday, 9 August 2010 16:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

er i mean 6 dr whos, and 13 half hours of american television

progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Monday, 9 August 2010 16:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

is this seeable w/o cable

pies. (gbx), Monday, 9 August 2010 16:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

do u know about "the internet"

max, Monday, 9 August 2010 16:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

no :(

pies. (gbx), Monday, 9 August 2010 16:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

I saw the first episode & all those words floating around reminded me of "Ghost Writer."

spanikopitcon (Abbott), Monday, 9 August 2010 16:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

benedict cumberbatch Vs. sheldon turnipseed

conrad, Monday, 9 August 2010 17:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

Totally watchable. Was disappointed with Moriarty, the end of last night's episode was a little soppy. Still good though, Cumberbatch was great in the role.

mmmm, Monday, 9 August 2010 17:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

I watched this last night, I was pleasantly surprised - "reboot" of an old favourite character is usually shorthand for dreadful garbage, but this was good. It was schlocky, but kind of felt like grownup schlock, not adolescent bollocks. Cumberbatch was great.

Take my hand, we'll make it I swear (Pashmina), Monday, 9 August 2010 18:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

low expectations for this, found it to be surprisingly enjoyable, although there's plenty of stuff to nitpick about. ep 2 was the weakest, I think, trying to update the 19th century version of the "exotic orient" just came off a bit too silly. and ending the last ep on a cliffhanger, with no word on when the next one will be-- irritating. but everyone above on the greatness of Cumberbatch is otm.

her breath came in short pants (sciolism), Monday, 9 August 2010 20:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

How come there's only three episodes? That seems crazy.

Benedict Cumberbatch is the name of some Hogwarts reject, I still refuse to believe that that is a real name.

ô_o (Nicole), Monday, 9 August 2010 20:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

conrad, Monday, 9 August 2010 21:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

That might be even worse! Although it is pretty close.

ô_o (Nicole), Monday, 9 August 2010 21:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

Three 1 1/2 hour films is pretty good going - wouldn't have been surprised if they'd just got to make one single episode to start with, tbh (though I think they did an hour-long unscreened pilot which became the first episode). Presume Moffatt and Gatiss a bit busy with Doctor Who stuff as well.

Also, everyone saying Ben Cucumberpatch is awesome is incredibly OTM. I've seen him in other stuff and not been wowed, but he fits this really well.

ailsa, Monday, 9 August 2010 21:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

Speaking of weird and colonial, three guesses why Cumberbatch is a relatively common name amongst African-Americans. Benedict Cumberbatch is really excellent.

Won't someone respond to my point that Mark Gatiss' Mycroft is like watching Peter Mandelson in panto?

duchy of Pornwall (suzy), Monday, 9 August 2010 21:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

three guesses why Cumberbatch is a relatively common name amongst African-Americans

This reminds me of thinking that maybe ska pioneer Theophilus Beckford was related to mento singer Stanley Beckford or U-Roy aka Ewart Beckford, until it was pointed out that there was another reason why a lot of Jamaicans are called Beckford. Which was a slight bummer to my joyful contemplation of reggae history.

Think it's about time I watched this Sherlock, too.

rah rah rah wd smash the oiks (a passing spacecadet), Monday, 9 August 2010 21:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

Didn't Gatiss say he'd based him on Mandelson?

ailsa, Monday, 9 August 2010 21:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

I have no idea, but it is super-funny. I want to see him sitting on a big throne with a bound volume of fairy tales.

Benedict Cumberbatch has brought his family history up in interviews to basically say o_0. A few years ago I was at a book launch and was introduced to a frightfully posh young man whose surname was Womack. I hadn't realized this was an English name AT ALL until that point, and then the guy told me the singers' surname was no accident because theirs had been a slaving family.

duchy of Pornwall (suzy), Monday, 9 August 2010 21:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

Just watched the third one, this kind of nonsense is 100% up my street. Not much that I didn't enjoy, there. A few months ago we re-watched all the Jonathan Creeks and this filled the void that left quite nicely. Although J-Creek wouldn't have had any woooo mysteeeerious stuff (left mysterious).

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I totally called Moriarty as a bad guy the first time he appeared, then forgot.
WHY would someone faking a painting make half of it something so weird and "obviously" fake? This really confused me. Was the mistake put in there deliberately by Moriarty? But how?
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Not the real Village People, Tuesday, 10 August 2010 05:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

Btw in the opening shot, my husband was convinced that Sherlock was actually Alan Rickman. He looks and sounds identical there!

Not the real Village People, Tuesday, 10 August 2010 06:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

Only grouse so far (apart from the fact that ep.2 wasn't as good as the other 2) is I hope they don't just go for lots of murders. One of the things I enjoyed about the originals is the stories about non-lethal puzzles and oddities.

According to Zoe Ball (who, I'm sure, must know) Cumberbatch went up for Dr. Who and Matt Smith went up for Dr. Watson. Someone in casting seems to be doing the right thing anyway.

i find music confusing and annoying (Ned Trifle II), Tuesday, 10 August 2010 09:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

They're already setting up Holmes marathons in the USA
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5iVaDQ26TVnBtf3h0iisgyybUFRTQ

i find music confusing and annoying (Ned Trifle II), Tuesday, 10 August 2010 09:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

Matt Smith read for Watson and was judged too manic, but when BC was approached to try for Doctor Who, he didn't want to do it because of the merchandising nightmare. This information is available to anyone who reads a newspaper.

duchy of Pornwall (suzy), Tuesday, 10 August 2010 09:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

cumberbatch would have made an impeccable doctor imo

progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 10 August 2010 09:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

This was a lot of fun to watch, and I hope they make more... Cumberbatch borrows a couple of mannerisms from Brett (quick lift off the chair while sitting in it indian-style, and the quick flash of rictus type of smile) but takes a totally different, and appealing, tack with the character. I also loved the mindfuck where they show the overhead shot of him at his desk, looking like he's just shot up. As intended, it made me think "here we go again, lazy scriptwriters making Holmes use cocaine DURING a case, which he never ever does" and then it turns out to be nicotine patches! Hilarious. They got me.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Tuesday, 10 August 2010 09:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

I had no idea his mum is Wanda Ventham. Blimey.

Michael Jones, Tuesday, 10 August 2010 09:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

BC even turned up as a guest in a friend's wedding photos last week (she's from a luvvie family too). Truly this man gets everywhere.

duchy of Pornwall (suzy), Tuesday, 10 August 2010 09:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

Fast forward to 7:14 for nice comic moment and Michael Winner looking like an ass.

State Attorney Foxhart Cubycheck (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 10 August 2010 09:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

cumberbatch would have made an impeccable doctor imo

He would have ruined the show for me thanks to his "You have to bite it!" scene in Atonement. In Sherlock it's not as bad because I can't see him raping Martin Freeman.

ô_o (Nicole), Tuesday, 10 August 2010 11:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'm sure ILX's slashfic aficionados know where to find exactly what you describe.

duchy of Pornwall (suzy), Tuesday, 10 August 2010 11:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

I had no idea his mum is Wanda Ventham. Blimey.

Blimey indeed, I just happnened to see her in The Saint before I left the house, what a babe!

Dr. Who is a bit like Sherlock Holmes in many way.

tom d: he did what he had to do now he is dead (Tom D.), Tuesday, 10 August 2010 11:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

Blimey indeed, I just happnened to see her in The Saint before I left the house, what a babe!

would objectify

unchill english bro (history mayne), Tuesday, 10 August 2010 11:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

Really ejoyed this. Even Martin Freeman was suprisingly decent, but Cumberbatch was amazing in the Sherlock role. Was talking to a friend about Cumberbatch in Doctor Who and we both came to the conclusion he would make a great Master to play off Matt Smith if Steven Moffat ever goes down that route.

Mr.Prologue, Tuesday, 10 August 2010 11:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

would objectify

― unchill english bro (history mayne), 35 minutes ago

^^^^^^^^Genuine laugh out loud at this popping up in blog view. Would seriously love if this caught on as a meme.

Kinda follow Penny Red's views on "oh lawd enough with the Holmes already" but, erm, I <3 Cumberbatch for his Momusian turn in To The Ends Of The Earth. I'm avoiding reading any of the slash (it's already turning up in my LJ stream) until I've seen the thing. Which at my rate of tellyviewing is, erm, never.

That is all.

all your life is channel 13, Sesame Street, what does it mean? (Masonic Boom), Tuesday, 10 August 2010 11:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'm avoiding reading any of the slash (it's already turning up in my LJ stream)

always read this as LJ you-know-who

"It's far from 'loi' you were reared, boy" (darraghmac), Tuesday, 10 August 2010 11:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

Loving it so far - Cumberbatch great, Freeman really good as well (nicely balanced between easy-to-follow everyman & the more actorly damaged army doctor, which is a nice reading of Watson), there's wit & nous in the modernising, cute nods for the fans around the place (Mycroft losing weight, Rache, plenty more I'm missing), really likes London. Perfect Sunday viewing.

And seconded on the drug-haze misdirect - so glad that it didn't just blunder into the world of EDGY Holmes cliché.

tetrahedron of space (woof), Tuesday, 10 August 2010 12:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

Another vote for 'would objectify'. LULZ

duchy of Pornwall (suzy), Tuesday, 10 August 2010 14:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

Thought this was going to be a disaster and was blown away - the bar is set so high in the first ep that the second seems really weak by comparison, tho. LOVED the Mycroft scene in the first ep, fooled me completely.

In the original Study in Scarlet 'Rache' actually IS the German word for revenge! So to have Sherlock lecture Lestrade on how pedestrian that guess is is hilarious.

Nice fan site, tons of interviews etc http://www.sherlocking.org/

Brakhage, Tuesday, 10 August 2010 15:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

This information is available to anyone who reads a newspaper

If only I could find one I liked.

there are so few places i can wear my jester costume (Ned Trifle II), Wednesday, 11 August 2010 01:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

I got confused and thought Moriarty was the Rupert Graves-replacing copper from the second episode. And was like, "Why is he talking about his underwear?". Anyway.

Thought this was very entertaining indeed, although mugging Jim Carrey Moriarty was almost a last-minute shark jumping moment. Did they resolve how the four cases were connected, or was it just Moriarty fucking around?

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 13 August 2010 09:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

What a bloody awful thread title.

I didn't mind Moriarty really. The way his character was built up and up and kept mysterious that his eventual reveal was always going to be a bit of a slight let down.

Though you know you're getting old when Holmes and Moriarty start looking young.

Born too beguiled (DavidM), Friday, 13 August 2010 09:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

i never made the sherlock holmes / dr who connection before

You're kidding

Born too beguiled (DavidM), Friday, 13 August 2010 09:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

No place in that list for Robot? Really?

Aunt Acid and the Gaviscons (aldo), Monday, 13 February 2012 09:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

<I>OK-ish adaptation for most of the time, but soooo much lesser than the novel, which is still free on archive.org. and the ending is so infuriating that I'd write the entire two-parter off even if it was original. iirc me and st3v3m argued abt that on the Who thread of the year tho.</I>

This is some pretty severe challops dude, it's one of the three or four best Tennant episodes, admittedly partly because of the lack of Tennant-as-Doctor, also a feature in Blink and Love & Monsters (and I'm well aware that my love for the latter is challops).

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 13 February 2012 10:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

(But agree entirely about Rose - the episode's job was to get old fans and new fans simultaneously giddy, and it did a great job)

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 13 February 2012 10:13 (1 year ago) Permalink

I was kind of wondering, was the point of the ending "The Reichenbach Fall" to get the viewers to apply the "Sherlock method" on the episode itself? I.e., did the makers deliberately include all the bits of information you need to decipher how Sherlock survived in the episode, and then refuse to explain it, so you'd rewatch it and try to find all the clues yourself? Because there certainly were a lot of potential clues: the ball Sherlock was toying with, Sherlock's final meeting with Molly, the biker who ran down Watson, etc. I can't see any other season why they'd end the final episode of the season with such an infuriatingly open note. (Ok, the first season ended with a cliffhanger too, but at least the mystery was solved before that.) Has the writer/director/producer addressed this after the episode ran in Britain?

Tuomas, Monday, 13 February 2012 11:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

He said that "everyone" had missed a crucial piece of evidence that explains how Sherlock did it, so yes, it does seem a little like they were imagining viewers could piece together the puzzle.

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 13 February 2012 11:13 (1 year ago) Permalink

He still says "everyone" has missed something in The Eleventh Hour that explains everything too, so Posts Very Much In Character.

Aunt Acid and the Gaviscons (aldo), Monday, 13 February 2012 11:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

Robot is 40% good I guess? Lots of it is rly rly shaky and it doesn't have anything like the confidence of presentation that the other three do. (It's possible that ep 1 of Robot is 90+% great, I can't think what's in episode by episode. The CSO in ep 4 is bad enough to mark the entire story down though!)

I've never rewatched Love & Monsters but I think I really really like it too - it's an entirely elegant way of using the show to tell a story that's simultaneously about fandom and communities in general, and in many subtle ways about Who itself. Also a VERY elegantly-conceived and handled way of handling a 'holiday' episode for the stars!* Would have been way better without the Blue Peter villain, but that said, lol Ian Levine.

we should probably migrate to a Who thread rather than dig into Human Nature (/ any of the last couple dozen posts) here, but I note you're not counter-arguing that it's BETTER than the novel!

Θ ̨Θƪ (sic), Monday, 13 February 2012 11:32 (1 year ago) Permalink

*I recently watched both The Aztecs and The Time Meddler for the first time in full, and these do great jobs of being busy and interesting enough that you don't miss the holidaying actors tbf

The only thing I know Moffatt's said about clues in The Eleventh Hour is that Rory's badge was a production error, so anyone looking for more is on a hiding to nothing

Θ ̨Θƪ (sic), Monday, 13 February 2012 11:34 (1 year ago) Permalink

Moff has referred to the extra stairs as well, for example, and gone 'aaaaaah'. (No, not aaaaah. This is not an aaaaaah situation.)

I still like Ian L, but I suspect if I rewatched it I would not be as vituperative about how much of an attack it was on him. Still, paving slab blow job jokes DO NOT WANT.

The CSO and Action Man tank let Robot down, but the first ep interaction with Harry and AGLS is joyous. And I love the whole plot about the elderly scientist being taken in by the Not Nazis Honest Guv and their anti-human meeting in a school sports hall. (Agree though, this should probably be in a Who thread).

Aunt Acid and the Gaviscons (aldo), Monday, 13 February 2012 11:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

Still, paving slab blow job jokes DO NOT WANT.

I 100% agree with this, mainly because you can't use "it's a kids' show, stop moaning about it being for kids" as a defence if you're then including things that are not suitable for a kids' show. Also, blow job jokes in Doctor Who are just tacky.

trishyb, Monday, 13 February 2012 13:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

OK. I think I decided this isn't actually very good. Maybe if I was 10 I would like it.

De La Soil (admrl), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 22:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

Seriously, does it get better? I only seen the first two. There's nothing too wrong with them, it's just a bit bland?

rrrobyn van pursuit (admrl), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 23:10 (1 year ago) Permalink

i think i like it because it makes me feel a bit like a kid, yet still an adult, obv - suspension of disbelief stuff. though the show doesn't always work to that effect, it's true.
(lol @ yr display name)

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 23:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

Adam, the second episode is probably the worst in the series, you should at least watch the third one, it's much better. But if the main concept (aspie guy solves outlandish crimes with the power of deduction) doesn't grab you, that isn't gonna change, though the second series at least has more interpersonal drama.

Tuomas, Thursday, 16 February 2012 15:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

Amazon in the UK currently has the first series on region-free blu-ray for £6. I'm guessing there's not much in the way of frills on there.

trishyb, Thursday, 16 February 2012 15:23 (1 year ago) Permalink

bbc dvd/blu-rays are normally pretty extra-laden (cf their doctor who discs), i know these discs have commentary tracks, at the v least

Ward Fowler, Thursday, 16 February 2012 20:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

old-school Dr Who extras are largely compiled by a dedicated nerd network though, not through endemic BBC policy AFAIU. (no idea about the new series ones though)

Θ ̨Θƪ (sic), Thursday, 16 February 2012 23:13 (1 year ago) Permalink

or you know, we could google

The extras on the DVD are a little thin on the ground. There are commentaries for A Study In Pink and The Great Game, along with a short ‘behind the scenes' feature, Unlocking Sherlock, and the original 60 minute pilot. To be honest, there's little point in watching the pilot, as it's a 60 minute version of A Study In Pink, but it's nice to know that it's there.

Θ ̨Θƪ (sic), Thursday, 16 February 2012 23:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

I could go and open the one that arrived from Amazon today, but I'm too lazy.

trishyb, Thursday, 16 February 2012 23:43 (1 year ago) Permalink

Not to drag out the Who thing, but I just wanted to point out that as awesome a sci-fi story as it is, and arguably as good a Who episode as it is, "Blink" doesn't really introduce viewers to the Doctor?

omar leeettle (Leee), Friday, 17 February 2012 06:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

It just takes us back to a time when Carey Mulligan wasn't a bland nonentity like she was in Drive.

Nicole, Friday, 17 February 2012 11:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

:(

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 17 February 2012 12:17 (1 year ago) Permalink

xp - actually I think it does! It's an intro to the Doctor from the point of view of a bright civilian, we learn what she learns, it's a little brisk but doesn't I think skip past anything you need to know, and by the end you have a decent wordcloud of him - alien, energetic, travels through time, frequently sorry.

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 17 February 2012 12:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

An alternative entrypoint could be the Girl in the Fireplace, which has equally beguiling time travel tricks up its sleeve but features a lot more of the Doctor.

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 17 February 2012 12:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

A little of that Doctor goes a long way :)

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 17 February 2012 12:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

Isn't there a separate thread for Doctor Who?

Tuomas, Friday, 17 February 2012 12:54 (1 year ago) Permalink

Sorry if that sounded harsh, but it's sad to notice new posts in this thread, but when I click on it none of them are about Sherlock.

Tuomas, Friday, 17 February 2012 12:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

We have nothing to say until Smilin' Steve Moffatt deigns to drop the revelation bomb on us.

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 17 February 2012 12:59 (1 year ago) Permalink

Tuomas we are talkin about which Dr Who eps a Sherlock fan might like. So it is sort of connected. Sorry you're bummed out tho.

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 17 February 2012 13:03 (1 year ago) Permalink

1 month passes...
1 month passes...

Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 20:15 (1 year ago) Permalink

I watched Hound of the Baskervilles on the plane recently, and actually enjoyed it despite some of the cheesy bits. Cumberbatch is quite a good Sherlock! Think I will investigate more of them.

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 20:29 (1 year ago) Permalink

That's the weakest of all of the episodes --which is not to say I didn't enjoy it -- so I think you'd better.

Three Word Username, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 20:32 (1 year ago) Permalink

Second weakest. Skip S01e02 altogether Veg.

┗|∵|┓ (sic), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 01:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

you're not the boss of me

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 01:53 (1 year ago) Permalink

http://youtu.be/yrDVSxNycKc

Trailer thingy for CBS' own Sherlock Holmes series, Elementary. Looks like a rather generic police procedural with a 'quirky' lead character - a la Monk - to me.

If I want a Yank Sherlock I'll watch House, I think.

DavidM, Friday, 18 May 2012 09:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

dethklok piccalo (c sharp major), Friday, 18 May 2012 11:07 (1 year ago) Permalink

What is it with America casting short arse Sherlocks. Johnny Lee Miller isn't Robert Downy short but he's hardly tall and striking. (one of the reasons that Cumberbatch makes a good Sherlock)

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 18 May 2012 11:12 (1 year ago) Permalink

what is it with american television and british film actors of the 90s

thomp, Friday, 18 May 2012 11:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

i keep walking past an HMV window with big boardwalk empire and mildred pierce displays with winslet and mcdonald and thinking, just, huh

thomp, Friday, 18 May 2012 11:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

Johnny Lee Miller isn't Robert Downy short but he's hardly tall and striking. (one of the reasons that Cumberbatch makes a good Sherlock)

I really don't think Cumberbatch is all that much taller than Miller, it's probably due to the costume choices. Miller is dressed like an overgrown teenager.

Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Friday, 18 May 2012 12:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

idgi

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 16 August 2012 20:51 (9 months ago) Permalink

I am you
you are me
wth

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 16 August 2012 20:52 (9 months ago) Permalink

yeah?

gygax! II: pornograffitti (admrl), Thursday, 16 August 2012 20:52 (9 months ago) Permalink

ya

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 16 August 2012 22:07 (9 months ago) Permalink


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