PARIS HILTON - PARIS

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have you noticed that the review of her album on stylus has disappeared ? weird... any explanation for that, huh ?
(I must confess I haven't bought it yet...)

AleXTC (AleXTC), Thursday, 24 August 2006 09:02 (seventeen years ago) link

TS: 'Stars Are Blind' vs No Doubt's 'Underneath It All'

Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 24 August 2006 09:13 (seventeen years ago) link

No Doubt in a landslide! Mentalist.

Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Thursday, 24 August 2006 10:09 (seventeen years ago) link

I thought it was a good song to bring up/compare with 'Stars Are Blind' at this point, cos I had this inkling that 'Underneath It All' was more popular at it's time even tho it shares qualities with 'Stars Are Blind' (cod-reggae, sung by blonde girl with a voice that really pisses some people off if perhaps not actually 'bland'). It probably is better, but not by that much imo.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 24 August 2006 10:27 (seventeen years ago) link

If any other name was attached to "Stars are Blind" it would get zero airplay, that's for sure.

but the point is that it IS paris hilton. it's a pop song so the person matters as much as the song itself!

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Thursday, 24 August 2006 10:45 (seventeen years ago) link

It's also totally not what people really expected her single to sound like (well I didn't at least). Whether that indicates that it would've got played regardless of what it had sounded like or whether it's getting played despite defying expectations somewhat I'm not sure.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 24 August 2006 10:47 (seventeen years ago) link

"If any other name was attached to "Stars are Blind" it would get zero airplay, that's for sure."
but the point is that it IS paris hilton. it's a pop song so the person matters as much as the song itself!

-- Nathalie (stevi...), August 24th, 2006.

well yes. and it's paris hilton. so the hateful non-singing minor celebrity matters almost as much as the unobjectionable-but-hardly-outstanding lite-reggae track. fan-bloody-tastic.

Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Thursday, 24 August 2006 10:52 (seventeen years ago) link

If any other name was attached to "Stars are Blind" it would get zero airplay, that's for sure.

well similar songs got airplay when the name No Doubt was attached to them!

so the hateful non-singing minor celebrity

why is she hateful? i don't understand why paris hilton provokes so much ire compared with, oh, any other given popstar/entertainment sleb who get, if not admired, then not reviled.

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 24 August 2006 10:55 (seventeen years ago) link

"Stars Are Blind" is good but "Underneath It All" is much better - for Lady Saw alone!

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 24 August 2006 10:59 (seventeen years ago) link

she is famous for being very rich, giving someone a blowjob, and despising poor people. if this doesn't condemn her in your view, neither does it mean that there's any reason to admire her.

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Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Thursday, 24 August 2006 11:01 (seventeen years ago) link

You missed out the racism, and reneging on a promise to do a charity event for starving children because "I haven't got enough time".

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 24 August 2006 11:03 (seventeen years ago) link

being rich and giving blowjobs are fine by me! i do the latter and would like to be the former.

despising poor people - i refer you to paris's own quote upthread re "the real me"

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 24 August 2006 11:05 (seventeen years ago) link

You went to private school, you already are "rich".

There's also a private school/blowjob gag here but I can't be bothered to make it.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 24 August 2006 11:06 (seventeen years ago) link

here is a sensible person:

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,6903,1572890,00.html

Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Thursday, 24 August 2006 11:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Er Lex I don't think she can explain despising poor people as being part of her media mask.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 24 August 2006 11:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Jawbreaker “Fireman”

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 24 August 2006 11:07 (seventeen years ago) link

lex she is *famous for* those things, is the point. not for, you know, being talented or otherwise heroic.

Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Thursday, 24 August 2006 11:07 (seventeen years ago) link

as for 'the real me' -- this is a very straightforward notion of identity from one of ilx's top contrarians.

Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Thursday, 24 August 2006 11:08 (seventeen years ago) link

dom you really have a v reductive and inaccurate perspective on the uk class system for someone who spends most of their time going on and on ad nauseam about it

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 24 August 2006 11:14 (seventeen years ago) link

and the whole issue of whether paris is a good or intelligent person is the biggest red herring ever given some of the other people who get ilm approval!

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 24 August 2006 11:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Why argue the point that she's a good person then?

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 24 August 2006 11:15 (seventeen years ago) link

um, i haven't.

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 24 August 2006 11:18 (seventeen years ago) link

"Why is she hateful? Not that it matters, total red herring."

Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Thursday, 24 August 2006 11:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Seriously Lex, she's not going to fuck you or loan you anything. You can let go.

Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Thursday, 24 August 2006 11:23 (seventeen years ago) link

not hateful != likable

the things she does are no more morally dubious than what, i dunno, jessica simpson or mariah carey or j-lo or britney have been said to have done - so i don't understand why people who aren't repulsed by them are repulsed by paris. it doesn't mean any of them are nice AND I WOULDN'T WANT THEM TO BE

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 24 August 2006 11:23 (seventeen years ago) link

Hahahahahaha!

"I don't see why people loathe her and they don't loathe (list of pop starlets that people often say they loathe)!"

Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Thursday, 24 August 2006 11:29 (seventeen years ago) link

right, everyone is being deliberately fucking obtuse on this thread and i don't have the time for it. i'm going to go and continue to laugh from afar at the more amusing plan b forum thread.

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 24 August 2006 11:31 (seventeen years ago) link

(Speaking of which, what has Mariah done besides working herself into a coma and being crazy? I'm genuinely curious.)

Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Thursday, 24 August 2006 11:32 (seventeen years ago) link

I think Lex has a fetish for ridiculous female pop stars who make songs that he can against all the odds take seriously. The more you all insult Paris the more he will dig his heels in. I recognise this trait because myself and some of my IRL friends share it, to a certain extent.

I wonder if Lex is pooh-poohing Britney because she has been partially rehabilitated ("you know, "Toxic" is a really great song!).

Dan, Mariah didn't do stairs.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 24 August 2006 11:37 (seventeen years ago) link

It's also totally not what people really expected her single to sound like

I think this is an important point - when those false-leaks were going around there seemed to be a lot of excitement over that Sweetbox song, "human sacrifice", which is strong/brash/angry (vulgar?), one set of paris-attributes; instead we ended up with this insipid, sweet, languid thing, which also fits the 'paris' image but from a completely different direction.

stop moving. (cis), Thursday, 24 August 2006 11:54 (seventeen years ago) link

it's true that lex's review crashed the lollercopter right into the heart of plan b's idiot forums.

Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Thursday, 24 August 2006 12:09 (seventeen years ago) link

apparently the video has been banned in India.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 24 August 2006 13:11 (seventeen years ago) link

rockists.

Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Thursday, 24 August 2006 13:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Racists, morelike.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 24 August 2006 13:14 (seventeen years ago) link

The wretchedness of the Plan B forum makes me want to go back in time and become a school bully

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 24 August 2006 13:57 (seventeen years ago) link

i've written for it and everything but what do you expect? it's the indie-est zine out there!

Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Thursday, 24 August 2006 13:59 (seventeen years ago) link

The wretchedness of the Plan B forum makes me want to go back in time and become a school bully

haha otm.

what i find sad is that plan b didn't have to be so indie, and it never set out to be (ffs KELIS was the planned cover star for issue 1, and only got pulled because she doesn't do photoshoots), but bejesus the demographic it appeals to now is beyond words.

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 24 August 2006 14:02 (seventeen years ago) link

the forum is quite something. next time someone complains about strawman arguments here they should take a peek -- people who really say things like "i hate rap music, except for 'hey ya!'".

Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Thursday, 24 August 2006 14:06 (seventeen years ago) link

ages and ages ago there was a thread on estelle, and some of the responses were ACTUALLY "urgh i can't stand those rappers who don't speak properly"!!!

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 24 August 2006 14:10 (seventeen years ago) link

but Eamon DID suck!

Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 24 August 2006 14:27 (seventeen years ago) link

frankee didn't though.

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 24 August 2006 14:31 (seventeen years ago) link

manhataz r us

Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 24 August 2006 14:46 (seventeen years ago) link

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bad hair day house (fandango), Thursday, 24 August 2006 14:47 (seventeen years ago) link

indie html execution...

bad hair day house (fandango), Thursday, 24 August 2006 14:48 (seventeen years ago) link

here is a sensible person:

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,6903,1572890,00.html

Is this sarcasm? I didn't read a single sensible sentence in that whole article.

nameom (nameom), Thursday, 24 August 2006 19:27 (seventeen years ago) link

lmaooooooo @ ^^^ hehehe sometimes i hate the observer lol most of the times its great :D

Rudy Katoch (rudykatoch), Thursday, 24 August 2006 19:55 (seventeen years ago) link

I like the album from start to finish, though it does blah out somewhat on the final three tracks. In relation to its musical neighborhood it beats the recent Pink and the Platinum Weird, and at least is more consistent than and probably beats the Veronicas. It doesn't beat last year's Lohans or last year's Duff but is more consistent than those three, as well. (And doesn't come close to the Kelly Clarkson, which itself doesn't come close to the Ashlee albums, but let's not go off on a tangent here. The Aly & AJ is still a subject for further evaluation; haven't heard the Chris Brown; and 'cause Storch is producing, am for once curious about the new Janet Jackson though I've always found her music disengagingly blasé.) Curiously, given the way the discussion on this thread has gone, my feelings towards the Paris album aren't directed towards the singer as a persona/personality, just as my feelings towards t.A.T.u. aren't directed towards those two Russian girls and my feelings towards Boney M aren't directed towards Liz Mitchell. And I love t.A.T.u. and Boney M. Oddly enough, though I am moved incredibly by Diana Ross songs such as "Love Hangover" and "Ain't No Mountain High Enough" and "Swept Away," once again I'm not focusing those feelings on a personality or persona. This doesn't mean that I think Ross et al. have no input into their music, or that I don't hear a human voice in their singing, of for that matter that I don't have feelings and opinions about Ross et al. from what I know of their personalities/personas. Just that the feelings engendered by the music don't take the form of feelings towards a personality. (And of course this is very much the opposite of what goes on with me in regard to Ashlee, Kelly, and Lindsay. And damned if I know where I am with Hilary. She's a cipher, but that doesn't mean that my feelings aren't in search of some sort of personality there.)

I can't say that I've a good idea why in some instances I hear a personality to take in my feelings and in others I don't.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 25 August 2006 16:15 (seventeen years ago) link

(Does anyone have a song-by-song producers list for the album? Allmusic.com specifies songwriters but not producers.)

Stephen Thomas Erlewine:

They come up with a sound that's casually modern and retro with enough heft in its rhythms to sound good at clubs, yet it's designed to be heard outdoors on the sunniest day of the summer. This is exceedingly light music, as sweet and bubbly as a wine spritzer, yet it isn't so frothy that it floats away.

Erlewine is a frog on a bump on a log, and I often think he's wrong, but he's a good critic, because he's willing to be surprised by albums and because he tries to be as articulate as possible about why he likes or dislikes something. In any event, I don't hear Paris the way Erlewine does. It's "light" in the sense of being unassuming and not coming across as trying to communicate anything weighty. But the actual sound is rather thick, layers of overdubbed vocals finding their way to choruses that often enough contain guitar chord upon guitar chord, the dense beauty of the vocals buried headfirst in the guitar thicket. The consistency I spoke of isn't just quality but timbre, different producers using the same strategies (maybe following Hilton's instruction). I don't know another album that has quite this sound. Paris's voice is itself unifying, something of a fuzzy uninflected hum from back in the throat. Compare the Gottwald-written "Nothing In This World" to the Veronicas' Gottwald-written "Everything I'm Not." On "Everything" the singers are up there in the bright high pitch, working you over with ingratiating come-hither/fuck-off vocals. Whereas in "Nothing"'s pretty harmony section, Paris stays down in her comfy burr, relaxing. Not as arresting as the Veronicas, but not as irritating, either.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 25 August 2006 18:05 (seventeen years ago) link

HAHA the losers on the plan b forum are going nuts cos my review* is on the plan b front page!

i'm not surprised, really, since you don't actually say much about the album you simply slag people off for not liking pop then call the readers losers (not just here but in the review itself). the worst thing they do is rise to the bait.

jed_ (jed), Friday, 25 August 2006 20:48 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't know which one's Paris Hilton and which one's Lily Allen any more.

Scourage (Haberdager), Friday, 25 August 2006 20:53 (seventeen years ago) link


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