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And by 'full-length', I mean 'Paw Tracks debut'.

Kevin H (Kevin H), Friday, 3 September 2004 03:32 (9 years ago) Permalink

Everything on Paw Tracks is extremely lo-fi.

Mark (MarkR), Friday, 3 September 2004 12:09 (9 years ago) Permalink

i wouldn't consider Here comes the indian to be *that lo-fi...

BbetaA, Friday, 3 September 2004 22:25 (9 years ago) Permalink

This is 8-track, not 4-track, dog.

sexyDancer, Friday, 3 September 2004 23:28 (9 years ago) Permalink

Sorry I meant everything on the Ariel Pink Paw Tracks release, not Paw Tracks as a whole.

Mark (MarkR), Saturday, 4 September 2004 01:28 (9 years ago) Permalink

6 months pass...
gotta revive for the upcoming Worn Copy release. anyone else feeling dis?

i fucking love it

ken taylrr (ken taylrr), Thursday, 17 March 2005 22:05 (9 years ago) Permalink

everybody's going crazzzzzzzy fr this!

cozen (Cozen), Monday, 28 March 2005 11:07 (9 years ago) Permalink

reynolds, woebot, geeta... I'm down too!

cozen (Cozen), Monday, 28 March 2005 11:07 (9 years ago) Permalink

I think you'd like this, toby!

cozen (Cozen), Monday, 28 March 2005 11:08 (9 years ago) Permalink

I thought the Doldrums was way better. Worn Copy's really good but....too long and too scattered, or something. I'm still figuring out my feelings here.

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 28 March 2005 12:06 (9 years ago) Permalink

shuffle function serves Mr. Pink well.

The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Monday, 28 March 2005 12:50 (9 years ago) Permalink

very, very, very good. very good. this is what i always wanted Gary Wilson to sound like. Search "Life in L.A."

poortheatre (poortheatre), Monday, 28 March 2005 12:57 (9 years ago) Permalink

Ariel Pink for president! Just think of the ecology! The electricity savings! The thrift!

Momus (Momus), Monday, 28 March 2005 19:30 (9 years ago) Permalink

Revive to profess my undying love for Worn Copy. Even though this was apparently released on a CD-R at one point, will this still count as a 2005 release?

poortheatre (poortheatre), Thursday, 7 April 2005 07:17 (9 years ago) Permalink

REISSUE

jack cole (jackcole), Thursday, 7 April 2005 09:12 (9 years ago) Permalink

"House Arrest" is still by far his catchiest and most consistent album. I can't really get into worn copy much past the point where he declares that "mankind is a nazi"

Felonious Drunk (Felcher), Thursday, 7 April 2005 17:23 (9 years ago) Permalink

Apparently, the person who originally realeased House Arrest is not allowing Paw Tracks to reissue it.

mitch dub (ano ano), Thursday, 7 April 2005 17:24 (9 years ago) Permalink

That blows. Between "Alisa", "West Coast Calamities", "Gettin' High in the Morning", and "Interesting Results" it's probably the best bedroom pop album this decade will see.

Felonious Drunk (Felcher), Thursday, 7 April 2005 17:50 (9 years ago) Permalink

word

noizem duke (noize duke), Thursday, 7 April 2005 17:59 (9 years ago) Permalink

xypost: But that's just after the first few minutes!!!

The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Thursday, 7 April 2005 18:21 (9 years ago) Permalink

I know. hopefully the rest of the album will grow on me at some point, but after listening to worn copy 6 or 7 times, the second half of trepanated earth is the only thing on it that i really like.

Felonious Drunk (Felcher), Thursday, 7 April 2005 18:27 (9 years ago) Permalink

"CREDIT"?

noizem duke (noize duke), Thursday, 7 April 2005 18:29 (9 years ago) Permalink

The free track on the paw tracks website isn't a patch on anything on Doldrums

Japanese Giraffe (Japanese Giraffe), Thursday, 7 April 2005 20:50 (9 years ago) Permalink

down at the creepshow...

The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Thursday, 7 April 2005 20:54 (9 years ago) Permalink

4 weeks pass...
This is an incredible bit of music. Absolutely baffling but all the more wonderful.

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 5 May 2005 11:58 (8 years ago) Permalink

It's like the music you hear in your head just as you're drifting out of consciousness with classic rock radio on.

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 5 May 2005 12:14 (8 years ago) Permalink

So... classic rock through a drainpipe, then, and then irritation that it's not LETTING you drift out of consciousness, and then silence?

I've still not heard 'Ariel Pink'.

The fact that 'lo-fi' has been used NINE ZILLION TIMES in this thread with barely any answers...

... doesn't appeal.

But perhaps I am KNEE JERKING?!

Lucretia My Reflection (Lucretia My Reflection), Thursday, 5 May 2005 12:29 (8 years ago) Permalink

When I think of low-fi, I always think of stuff done on cheap instruments and played very badly on purpose. This is stuff played on good equipment, written and played beautifully and then recorded on the cheapest equipment possible.

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 5 May 2005 12:45 (8 years ago) Permalink

Yes but what are his INFLUENZAS!

Lucretia My Reflection (Lucretia My Reflection), Thursday, 5 May 2005 12:47 (8 years ago) Permalink

70s and 80s rock/pop. Lots of Roxy Music, Lennon, Bowie, Talking Heads, New Wave etc.

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 5 May 2005 13:19 (8 years ago) Permalink

and R. Stevie Moore

naturemorte, Thursday, 5 May 2005 14:46 (8 years ago) Permalink

Guided by Voices if they grew up listening to '80s pop radio instead of 60s and 70s classic rock. Plus he actually finishes the songs he writes.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 5 May 2005 14:52 (8 years ago) Permalink

The Cure are his biggest influence

i like The Doldrums A LOT, Worn Copy though, i don't know. It's not as catchy maybe, except for ' Jules Lost His Jewels'

rizzx (rizzx), Thursday, 5 May 2005 14:53 (8 years ago) Permalink

dude, rizzx, you GOTTA get House Arrest. it's his best work to date.
also, dog latin, about the "played on good equipment" bit, when i saw him saturday night his keyboard player was playing a pretty shitty yamaha.

Fetchboy (Felcher), Thursday, 5 May 2005 16:02 (8 years ago) Permalink

ah i have that on my HD, together with another album, something with Lovers? Don't know, but I'll listen to House Arrest as soon as i get home. Pink's the man. not very listenable on car stereo though

rizzx (rizzx), Thursday, 5 May 2005 16:32 (8 years ago) Permalink

are all his CD-Rs going to be re-released eventually? He's got, like, 50+ or something, yes? Worn Copy is the shit..

poortheatre (poortheatre), Thursday, 5 May 2005 17:25 (8 years ago) Permalink

upthread:
"Apparently, the person who originally realeased House Arrest is not allowing Paw Tracks to reissue it.

-- mitch dub (w!mbis...), April 7th, 2005."
im not aware of the 50+ though.

Fetchboy (Felcher), Thursday, 5 May 2005 17:27 (8 years ago) Permalink

someone was probably exaggerating..

poortheatre (poortheatre), Thursday, 5 May 2005 17:29 (8 years ago) Permalink

It felt like 50+.

Andre Dawson (deangulberry), Thursday, 5 May 2005 18:03 (8 years ago) Permalink

I'm not sure.

cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 5 May 2005 19:32 (8 years ago) Permalink

not anymore.

cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 5 May 2005 19:32 (8 years ago) Permalink

oh yes I am.

cozen (Cozen), Monday, 9 May 2005 20:09 (8 years ago) Permalink

8 months pass...
House Arrest!

In LA Weekly article, he says he has "easily 200" cassettes lying around of albums and "masters".

fizzcaraldo (Justin M), Thursday, 12 January 2006 03:27 (8 years ago) Permalink

I'm sure his parents don't appreciate him leaving all those tapes around the house.

account settings (account), Thursday, 12 January 2006 03:43 (8 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...
So, has anyone seen him live yet?

He's playing Knitting Factory on Friday I think; just wondering what the hell he's gonna do with himself on stage.

Suzy Creemcheese (SuzyCreemcheese), Thursday, 23 February 2006 01:12 (8 years ago) Permalink

haven't seen him live but "life in l.a." is truly one of my summer 2005 anthems.

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 23 February 2006 01:22 (8 years ago) Permalink

Going in a few minutes. Interested to see how he works in his guest backing band.

Nigel (Nigel), Thursday, 23 February 2006 03:26 (8 years ago) Permalink

Plz report back, soldier.

Suzy Creemcheese (SuzyCreemcheese), Thursday, 23 February 2006 03:36 (8 years ago) Permalink

im guna go see him at 14 below!

chaki (chaki), Thursday, 23 February 2006 04:27 (8 years ago) Permalink

In Seattle it was just him and his 8-track, apparently. I really wish he would get a competent live band going.

fizzcaraldo (Justin M), Thursday, 23 February 2006 07:00 (8 years ago) Permalink

yeah, 2004 paw tracks release of doldrums is what put him on the map and then the whole group of imitators started popping up around 2010, just in time for him to release BT and get even bigger.

― wk, Thursday, April 25, 2013 12:45 PM (52 minutes ago)

the first round of obvious ariel pink imitators i remember showed up in 2008 or so, e.g. gary war's new ratheonport. at the same time, american indie garage bands were going nuts for super-shitty fidelity (in the wake of AP and times new viking, coming from very different directions) and massive amounts of reverb (a la oh sees & ty segall). 2009 saw a shift towards hazy/fuzzy nostalgia vibe surfing from folks like real estate and kurt vile.

contenderizer, Thursday, 25 April 2013 20:54 (11 months ago) Permalink

blank dogs also figure in there somewhere, drew a lot of attention in 2007 w ap-style take on uk post punk

contenderizer, Thursday, 25 April 2013 20:56 (11 months ago) Permalink

yeah, definitely gary war. garage has always been shitty sounding though. since the original back from the grave bands, through to the mummies, etc. shitty sounding pop music with synths was something kind of new and different though.

wk, Thursday, 25 April 2013 21:06 (11 months ago) Permalink

I don't know, to me it's all about the songwriting. I think people underestimate that. it's not like pink invented vhs nostalgia or anything.

wk, Thursday, 25 April 2013 21:07 (11 months ago) Permalink

no doubt, but there was a brief mid-to late 00s fascination with super shitty, teengenerate/early hellacopters-style recordings of indieish music: tnv, blank dogs, eat skull, psychedelic horseshit, the wavves, etc. we can't so soon have forgot those heady shitgaze nights?

contenderizer, Thursday, 25 April 2013 21:10 (11 months ago) Permalink

i don't see all that as ap-influenced by any means (i'd say blank dogs and gary war were), but with those ap reissues, the lo-fi boom helped clear room for more commercially viable versions of vaguely similar stuff a couple/few years later

contenderizer, Thursday, 25 April 2013 21:13 (11 months ago) Permalink

"See, I can hear my influence in this music," Pink shouts from the passenger seat, ignoring Emily as Coldplay's "Paradise" comes on the radio. "That over-melodiousness, that whole keyboard bit. That was all me. Seriously. They don't even realize."
^^^ there are bits like that a few places in the interview, made me think the guy is a little paranoid.

Sébastien, Thursday, 25 April 2013 22:27 (11 months ago) Permalink

boards of canada seems relevant too. I think they were one of the first to popularize the idea of not just generic distorted lo-fi sound, but specifically evoking the sound of a bad classroom filmstrip or stretched out warbling tape. I don't know any of those bands you mentioned except for wavves who to me seem more generally punk rock. to me there's a distinct difference between a making a lo-fi recording because it's the punk rock thing to do and making a lo-fi recording of a type of music that's not typically meant to sound lo-fi.

wk, Thursday, 25 April 2013 22:27 (11 months ago) Permalink

made me think the guy is a little paranoid.

getting high in the morning will do that to you

wk, Thursday, 25 April 2013 22:28 (11 months ago) Permalink

after reading that article i thought starting a thread called "artists that ariel pink could think were influenced by him weren't" , or something like that.

Broadcast comes to mind.

Sébastien, Thursday, 25 April 2013 22:34 (11 months ago) Permalink

"but weren't" damn where is the edit button.

Sébastien, Thursday, 25 April 2013 22:34 (11 months ago) Permalink

xp yeah, i agree that the boc-like "bad filmstrip" aesthetic isn't present in, say, times new viking and their offsprings. they reach back more to gbv & sebadoh-style 90s lo-fi and decades of shitty garage/punk sonics. but it is there, at least in received and reinterpreted form, in blank dogs and gary war. also present in a less direct way in folks like matt mondanile (real estate/ducktails) jocking old vhs as the referent for an interst in fuzz, hiss, reverb and "hazy" nostalgia.

contenderizer, Thursday, 25 April 2013 22:35 (11 months ago) Permalink

not sure why i'm arguing for this, tbh, just the way i remember it

contenderizer, Thursday, 25 April 2013 22:36 (11 months ago) Permalink

gary war, blank dogs, & ducktails are all Post-Pink though. Hey, Post Pink would have been a better genre name than chillwave.

wk, Thursday, 25 April 2013 22:41 (11 months ago) Permalink

gary war, blank dogs, & ducktails are all Post-Pink

oh yeah shit yeah. was just trying to locate postpink ground zero in 2008/2009. fuzz-splitting.

contenderizer, Thursday, 25 April 2013 22:57 (11 months ago) Permalink

i remember thinking Before Today got a rave rating on Pitchfork because he had attained this status as an indie demi-god around that time, and Pitchfork wanted to keep up with the times. background being they had shat all over his entire discography years before.

Spectrum, Thursday, 25 April 2013 23:02 (11 months ago) Permalink

lol, I just revisited some of the earlier parts of this thread and saw that dumb pitchfork doldrums review and googled nick sylvester since he sounded familiar and I thought he used to post here. I guess that idiot got his comeuppance.

wk, Friday, 26 April 2013 00:30 (11 months ago) Permalink

are you gonna look after my boys???????

i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Friday, 26 April 2013 18:43 (11 months ago) Permalink

I never realized that the videos for AYGLAMB, kate, and politely declined were all directed by the same guy who did those gi joe psa videos!

wk, Friday, 26 April 2013 18:57 (11 months ago) Permalink

what's his name? cos he's probably more influential than AP

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 26 April 2013 19:16 (11 months ago) Permalink

haha. eric fensler http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fensler_Films

wk, Friday, 26 April 2013 19:18 (11 months ago) Permalink

apparently he's a writer for Tim & Eric

wk, Friday, 26 April 2013 19:41 (11 months ago) Permalink

Two children are in a kitchen. In fairly unintelligibly slurred speech, the first boy says "You're not cooking.", the second boy responds "Yeah I do". The curtains in front of the stove catch on fire and the boy operating the stove tries to say the word "fire" but only stutters it instead, saying something along the lines of, "ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-baa-baaa-baaah." Blowtorch runs in, shouting "Porkchop Sandwiches!" This line is one of the most frequently quoted by fans, and Fensler has until recently sold T-shirts sporting the phrase. He arrives at the kitchen door and in a panic-ridden voice orders the children: "Oh shit, get the fuck out of here! What are you doing? Go, get the fuck out of here, you stupid idiots! Fuck, we're all dead! Get the fuck out!" His panicked tone of voice contrasts oddly with his calm body language. Outside, he tells them, "My God, did that smell good!" prompting a stream of gibberish from one of the boys. One of the boys says something along the lines of, "Detective, I did no going and then you tell me do things, I done runnin'..." This is met with Blowtorch's staring toward the camera, followed by a closeup of that same stare.[12]

Stupor Fly, Friday, 26 April 2013 20:34 (11 months ago) Permalink

til it was "yeah i do" not "yeah dude"

Sébastien, Friday, 26 April 2013 20:58 (11 months ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

i'd really like to hear more anecdotal stories about ariel's meth use. ever since i read this thread, and that christopher owens interview where he says "we're on different drugs. i'm a junkie, ariel's up all the time bouncing off the walls," his whole cultivated aura of mystery and weirdness seems a lot less contrived. certainly explains the shit live shows and the sheer volume of his recorded work....i don't know

i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Thursday, 16 May 2013 17:58 (11 months ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

yep he was amazing 2nite

i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Wednesday, 12 June 2013 05:42 (10 months ago) Permalink

4 weeks pass...

Two new tracks with Jorge Elbrecht of Lansing-Dreiden fame

http://www.cmj.com/news/listen-ariel-pink-and-jorge-elbrecht-debut-two-new-songs/

More Than a Century With the Polaris Emblem (calstars), Wednesday, 10 July 2013 10:46 (9 months ago) Permalink

If anyone wants the lyrics and credits to these two songs:

More Than a Century With the Polaris Emblem (calstars), Tuesday, 23 July 2013 00:32 (8 months ago) Permalink

Thanks! "No Real Friend" is my favorite AP song since the lo-fi days.

Fetchboy, Tuesday, 23 July 2013 00:53 (8 months ago) Permalink

Tasty drums and keys on these tracks by dudes from the MGMT live band , Will Berman and James Richardson

More Than a Century With the Polaris Emblem (calstars), Tuesday, 23 July 2013 01:25 (8 months ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

whoa, awesome concert from sydney in march 2012 just recently uploaded with rough versions of Mature Themes songs, w totally different lyrics and titles

i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Monday, 19 August 2013 15:24 (7 months ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

ariel in 2011: "i want to be a talking head"

2013: http://pitchfork.com/news/52176-watch-ariel-pink-guests-on-fox-news-program-red-eye/

hes happy now, thats good:)

i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Sunday, 8 September 2013 18:54 (7 months ago) Permalink

unfortunately he only has a few moments on the Fox show

More Than a Century With the Polaris Emblem (calstars), Sunday, 8 September 2013 20:33 (7 months ago) Permalink


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