If I get on with those I suspect I'll be putting Cop / Young God / Greed / Holy Money and Soundtracks For The Blind on my list for Santa.
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 10:12 (twenty years ago) link
The World of Skin album "Ten Songs For Another World" is worth looking for used.
― dlp9001, Wednesday, 3 December 2003 11:43 (twenty years ago) link
Oooh I tell you what though, they played ever so loud!
― Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 11:45 (twenty years ago) link
And in the 90s they introducing tapes, keyboards to their overall sound (see andrew's post on their last records or did you just set out to not read that) and when most bands makes changes to their 'classic' sound, its usually a disaster but not here.
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 11:53 (twenty years ago) link
― Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 12:06 (twenty years ago) link
It wasn't all just 'epic menace'.
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 12:12 (twenty years ago) link
― Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 12:26 (twenty years ago) link
is sheryl crow a band name or are you referring to that singer, in which case she would have a backing band? ;)
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 13:11 (twenty years ago) link
I'll put 'second phase' Swans on my list of things I must hear. Behind the grillion things I think there's at least the remotest chance I might like.
― Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 13:17 (twenty years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 13:20 (twenty years ago) link
― Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 13:26 (twenty years ago) link
Now if they would only reissue Anonymous Bodies in an Empty Room.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 13:55 (twenty years ago) link
'time is money, bastard' and 'a screw' are two of thee most intense and most wonderfully produced death disco 12"s ever released.
i'm a coward, stick a knife in me
― stirmonster, Wednesday, 3 December 2003 19:16 (twenty years ago) link
Julio - ty for pimpin' for my post, but Tim's list indicates to me he wldn't dig early, mid OR late period Swans. I'd just say that "menace" is not really the right word to sum up Gira's aesthetic - PAIN is better, I think. As for volume, I know Tim is big on his reggae, and two of the other LOUDEST gigs I ever went to were by On-U-Sound, and by Jah Shaka - as with live Swans, it's all abt the bass and the body, innit
― Andrew L (Andrew L), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 20:23 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 20:33 (twenty years ago) link
― Marten, Thursday, 4 December 2003 12:26 (twenty years ago) link
In their day (mid 80's) it seemed like 2nd rate No-wave/TG Noise.
V
― V (1411), Friday, 5 December 2003 00:30 (twenty years ago) link
Not all Swans albums are necessary but at least a few of them are.
― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Friday, 5 December 2003 00:47 (twenty years ago) link
― Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Monday, 6 September 2004 23:03 (nineteen years ago) link
― Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Monday, 6 September 2004 23:07 (nineteen years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 6 September 2004 23:15 (nineteen years ago) link
― joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link
― noodle vague (noodle vague), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 17:40 (nineteen years ago) link
then I caught 'em twice on the Burning World tour. early on in DC they kept it almost politely acoustic, even though they were revving loop riffs from the album. by the time they got to Tampa (weeks? months?) later all patience had worn thin and Swans had grown it to a pummelling all-out-assault, loud as ever.
for some reason when I think of them now first track I remember is the later "Love Will Save You", where Gira is mocked by children's voices/laughter. I saw him on a NYC subway car a couple years back, all Paul Bowles ex-pat linens & hat. thought about saying hello, but seemed more fun to catch his eye - maybe there's someone in the sea of faces who his music's meant something to.
"I'll be good fellas, honest..." (swear Lou Stathis wrote that first - if not sorry Jim Green)
― Paul (scifisoul), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 02:27 (nineteen years ago) link
"An entirely random selection of bands I think are better than The Swans, whose brand of "epic" "menace" is not for me, in order of preference: The Jays The Wild Swans The Orioles The Byrds The Penguins The Blackbyrds Robin Gibb The Snowbirds The Birds Dawn Chorus and the Blue Tits SwansWay Wings The Tweets The Eagles Sheryl Crow
Oooh I tell you what though, they played ever so loud!"
-- Tim (hopkinsti...), December 3rd, 2003. (Tim)
Dude didn't even list the Ravens. Who were better than every band he named. what a moron. And everyone knows that jimmy ricks was the one and only american who could have appreciated gira at his best.
― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 02:37 (nineteen years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 02:38 (nineteen years ago) link
The Swans weren't always "epic" and "menace". Often they were "quiet" and "introspective". Their career was lengthy, and managed to be extremely consistent while exploring different ways to express their unique, um, vision or whatever.
Angels of Light is very good as well.
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 03:38 (nineteen years ago) link
Classic. Even their really early stuff is great, if only for the rhythm section.
Now, the ultimate Swans trivia question: What the hell happened to the sax player?
― J.H. Malerman (xada_hgla), Saturday, 16 September 2006 21:11 (seventeen years ago) link
― StanM (StanM), Saturday, 16 September 2006 21:26 (seventeen years ago) link
― jonathan - stl (jonathan - stl), Saturday, 16 September 2006 22:09 (seventeen years ago) link
― StanM (StanM), Saturday, 16 September 2006 22:19 (seventeen years ago) link
(Yeah, it's VH1 Classic, but still! "THE SEX IN YOUR SOUL WILL DAMN YOU TUH HELL! DAMN YOU TUH HELL!")
― Ernest P. (ernestp), Saturday, 16 September 2006 23:24 (seventeen years ago) link
― Blake (BlakeSEVEN), Saturday, 16 September 2006 23:35 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ficky Stingers (Bimble...), Sunday, 17 September 2006 07:33 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ficky Stingers (Bimble...), Sunday, 17 September 2006 07:39 (seventeen years ago) link
― Marmot (marmotwolof), Sunday, 17 September 2006 07:41 (seventeen years ago) link
xpost
― Ficky Stingers (Bimble...), Sunday, 17 September 2006 07:44 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ficky Stingers (Bimble...), Sunday, 17 September 2006 07:50 (seventeen years ago) link
― Marmot (marmotwolof), Sunday, 17 September 2006 07:50 (seventeen years ago) link
― Why does my IQ changes? (noodle vague), Sunday, 17 September 2006 08:22 (seventeen years ago) link
She had said she planned for the gig to be...what was it? "a Post-Modern Gospel" yeah, I think that's what she said at the end of it. Crazy stuff.
Also she did that Dead Can Dance cover of "American Dreaming" and it drove me crazy cause I couldn't remember who did that song. It was only when I got home that I figured it out.
― Ficky Stingers (Bimble...), Sunday, 17 September 2006 08:31 (seventeen years ago) link
― Marmot (marmotwolof), Sunday, 17 September 2006 08:44 (seventeen years ago) link
*commercial starts*
It's called SWANSMAGIC! :)
― Ficky Stingers (Bimble...), Sunday, 17 September 2006 08:47 (seventeen years ago) link
http://www.myspace.com/jarboeliving
― Marmot (marmotwolof), Sunday, 17 September 2006 08:57 (seventeen years ago) link
No, it's nice that you finally understand!
― scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 17 September 2006 10:21 (seventeen years ago) link
― Charlie Howard (the sphinx), Sunday, 17 September 2006 14:03 (seventeen years ago) link
― Space Gourmand (Haberdager), Sunday, 17 September 2006 14:12 (seventeen years ago) link
― robert in SLC (robert in SLC), Sunday, 17 September 2006 14:58 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ficky Stingers (Bimble...), Sunday, 17 September 2006 18:42 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ficky Stingers (Bimble...), Sunday, 17 September 2006 18:53 (seventeen years ago) link
L34k3d.
― StanM, Sunday, 15 August 2010 20:26 (thirteen years ago) link
i didn't leak it i swear. i played it a lot in public in my record store though. does that count?
― scott seward, Sunday, 15 August 2010 20:30 (thirteen years ago) link
forgot to play it yesterday for th*r*t*n when he was in. would have been fun to hear his opinion. i do want to see swans in boston but i'm too cheap and i hate going to boston and i am frightened of baby dee.
― scott seward, Sunday, 15 August 2010 20:33 (thirteen years ago) link
yes I went to your store and memorised it and then digitally reproduced it bit by bit and then leaked it.
on first listen I like this a lot, sounds like Swans without being retready.
― Antoine Bugleboy (Merdeyeux), Sunday, 15 August 2010 20:48 (thirteen years ago) link
Any West Coast dates? I really wanna see Swans, they're like one of the only "goth" things I like.
OK maybe the Cure
― Henry's Hepcat (admrl), Sunday, 15 August 2010 20:54 (thirteen years ago) link
09-17 Boston, MA - House of Blues09-21 Northampton, MA - Calvin Theater
tempted to go the Boston show. scott, isn't the Northampton one pretty close to where yr at?
― markers, Sunday, 15 August 2010 21:17 (thirteen years ago) link
scott if you go to the boston show I will protect you from baby dee
― (e_3) (Edward III), Sunday, 15 August 2010 21:18 (thirteen years ago) link
and don't listen to markers, he's trying to trick you into seeing broken social scene
― (e_3) (Edward III), Sunday, 15 August 2010 21:19 (thirteen years ago) link
woah i didn't even see a northampton date when i looked! and when i looked, like, last week they were playing at the middle east and not house of blues! i'm confused! will totally go to the hamp show! a week before my birthday too.
― scott seward, Sunday, 15 August 2010 21:21 (thirteen years ago) link
oh okay. that got me all excited.
― scott seward, Sunday, 15 August 2010 21:22 (thirteen years ago) link
wait, i fucked up on those tour dates
― markers, Sunday, 15 August 2010 21:24 (thirteen years ago) link
sry yall
http://pitchfork.com/news/38743-reformed-swans-announce-tour/
scrolled down too much and accidentally copied bss dates
― markers, Sunday, 15 August 2010 21:25 (thirteen years ago) link
only the middle east :-(
man I saw em on burning world & then on great annihilator
former was polite volume, latter was pummeling
― gross rainbow of haerosmith (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Thursday, August 5, 2010 10:11 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark
sometimes I wonder if ppl's experience of swans is colored by what venue they saw them at? I wouldn't call their burning world show at CBGBs pummeling but I couldn't in fairness call it polite.
a friend told me the last time they played boston gira complained non-stop about the sound, stopped the show early, and stormed off saying he'd never play the middle east again. so where's the boston show this time around? o right, the middle east.
― (e_3) (Edward III), Sunday, 15 August 2010 21:27 (thirteen years ago) link
Very positive (but rather woolly) review of the new album in the new Wire -- makes me look forward to this even more.
― Duke, Sunday, 15 August 2010 21:30 (thirteen years ago) link
last show i saw at the middle east downstairs (not sure if the swans is up or down) was harry and the potters iirc
― markers, Sunday, 15 August 2010 21:33 (thirteen years ago) link
gotta be downstairs, if it's upstairs god have pity on our souls + ears
― (e_3) (Edward III), Sunday, 15 August 2010 21:40 (thirteen years ago) link
last time i saw swans was swans are dead tour at the troc in philly and it was awesome. plenty loud but you didn't die from loud. sounded great. that's where they are opening the tour. i think. last time i checked.
― scott seward, Sunday, 15 August 2010 22:48 (thirteen years ago) link
bouncer i knew who worked at the troc said the loudest show he had worked was mogwai at tla. and from people i know who went, the last time godflesh played philly it was louder than the loudest loud. people visibly swooning from loud...
― scott seward, Sunday, 15 August 2010 22:49 (thirteen years ago) link
I heard when swans played the troc on the children of god tour they blew the power 3 times and called it a night
― (e_3) (Edward III), Sunday, 15 August 2010 22:52 (thirteen years ago) link
woulda been pissed if I'd gone but it was 21+ and I was 21-
― (e_3) (Edward III), Sunday, 15 August 2010 22:53 (thirteen years ago) link
haven't mbv taken the title now? I mean I didn't see them on their last tour but even the bootleg recordings sound louder than the loudest loud.
― (e_3) (Edward III), Sunday, 15 August 2010 22:56 (thirteen years ago) link
> I heard when swans played the troc on the children of god tour they blew the power 3 times and called it a night
you just knocked loose a memory of seeing them at the 9:30 at that time, where IIRC the power blew at least once.
― bendy, Monday, 16 August 2010 12:02 (thirteen years ago) link
ATTN: Herr Raggett!
I seem to remember you contributing to the thread that presently is dominating ILx: but I hope you don't mind me asking you, as the allmusic scribe re: the following act…
If I want to get one Swans album only— and here I believe that this means meanest, heaviest, berserk with bloodlust, etc, although you may not find that to be the case— which should it be?
scanned threads for an obvious recommendation as such, couldn't locate one, know redundant verbiage herein is not yr favorite…
thanks!
― veronica moser, Wednesday, 16 April 2014 15:27 (ten years ago) link
i took this shot with one of those olde-tyme film cameras.
https://scontent-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1.0-9/10174786_10152989869072137_4991361121037997380_n.jpg
― scott seward, Friday, 18 April 2014 02:25 (ten years ago) link
slightly different view.
https://scontent-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/t1.0-9/1979720_10152989872817137_1844411752821021782_n.jpg
― scott seward, Friday, 18 April 2014 02:26 (ten years ago) link
and my art shot.
https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1.0-9/1920630_10152989874767137_4682779992592093522_n.jpg
― scott seward, Friday, 18 April 2014 02:27 (ten years ago) link
Didn't even notice Veronica's post yesterday, sorry about that!
Uh, meanest and heaviest? Hm. I mean the earliest stuff is the most 'punishing' per se but the current era is transcendently pulverizing, so.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 18 April 2014 02:54 (ten years ago) link
well I wanna start with something from the era in which they initially made their mark…like Filth?
oddly, I picked up To Mega Therion the other day, and later saw that you are AMG's Celtic Frost scholar as well…
― veronica moser, Saturday, 19 April 2014 20:30 (ten years ago) link
If you aren't specifically asking Ned, I'd strongly suggest the Cop/Young God/Greed/Holy Money collection. Filth is great but I don't think any other Swans studio album or collection of albums beats C/TH/G/HM for sheer prolonged brutality. Children Of God/World Of Skin is more accessible if you're worried about that but I remember finding C/TH/G/HM surprisingly easy, because it seemed like it might have been difficult.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 20 April 2014 22:59 (ten years ago) link
Consider this another vote for Cop/Young God/Greed/Holy Money, three albums and a couple of 12" singles jammed onto a two-CD set. If you like that, pick up the live album Public Castration Is A Good Idea from the same era. The songs get almost twice as long sometimes; play it loud enough to make your neighbors cry.
― Humorist (horse) (誤訳侮辱), Sunday, 20 April 2014 23:56 (ten years ago) link