2008 USP(G)ET pt. II: counting the days to 2012 primary thread 1

i think it's appropriate, it sounds like some horrible federal acronym

I love this thread's title! it reads like a government protocol manual chapter subheader!

xpost!!!!

hi fives

Puget > PG&E

now that the other thread where I was a dick a lot of the time is closed, I am making a general election promise to not be a dick

so vote for me you assholes

fuck you pay me

in TAX CUTS

My Friends..

not to be captain save-a-moosehunter but i think its important to realize that the conservative base, for all its woman-hating, has always relied on COMMUNITY ORGANIZERS at the grassroots who were, essentially, PTA and churchgoing women - lots of small towns/local govts across the country are run by or are very much impacted by women involved in public life. Palin is very much a part of a long tradition of female activists within the conservative movement and it doesnt do us any good to pretend otherwise.

A case study of the conservative movement in Los Angeles and its suburbs suggests that yes, women were important actors in the postwar conservative ascendancy. If we look below the surface of formal politics, especially in the conservative stronghold of southern California, we see a very feminine world of grassroots activism. Southern California women show us that postwar gender norms created room for a highly effective female sphere of activism. They also demonstrate that the 1950s revival of domesticity had a politically radicalizing effect on many women. Groups of predominantly white, middle-, and upper-class wives and mothers took advantage of their privileged social circumstances to become militant anticommunist crusaders. By measuring the reach of their political activism and evaluating its impact, we see that women's clubs were important incubators of McCarthyism and that housewife activists played a critical role in mobilizing the grassroots base of the conservative movement.

i know about this cuz i read a book about o.c. conservative women activists back in an lol college course on the history of conservatism, but i cant rememeber the name of it off the top of my head

i have hope that once this election finally turns back into obama vs mccain (post-debates or something? idk) that obama will pull away a little. or maybe all of palin's scandals will eventually topple her credibility, esp if the media starts to run with some of these other ones the way they kind of have with the bridge to nowhere. really anticipating biden dicing her in the debate re: her lies. we'll see if it actually happens.

as of now i still prefer to live in a world where everyone is sensible and will not vote for these frauds. still planning to voluntarily step into oncoming traffic on i-70 on nov 5 though

yeah, Obama's celebrity is backed by actual credibility, whereas Palin's is prob going to fade as people realize she's a moron

this was two days ago, don't know if it's been covered here, but it's more make-a-lefty-feel-misty/give-righties-soundbites ("he said Iraq isn't important!" stuff. but the point of it is the volume rise at the end, which an AP story points out is a change in strategy.

If the election goes wrong, I'm going to throw myself on the mercy of English, Irish and Dutch friends, anybody who can hide me out Anne Frank stylee for a few decades.

Obama's celebrity is backed by actual credibility

oh, FISA, oh don't you cry for meee....

lol "Barack the bombthrower"

copying from the other thread 'cause the other thread should move over here. matt I feel you, the momentum shift is kinda "wtf," but this "ever again" bit is silliness. look at history. absolutely nothing is permanent, even though "we have arrived at the solution!" is a popular political sentiment and it always sounds scary coming from the other side.

You know, I'm no longer concerned about history. When Bush was re-elected, I told myself, "Well, the nation endured Grant and Garfield and Arthur and those guys. It can't crumble too much in four years."

But now, I'm realizing that I've "only" got four or five decades left here, that I'm likely going to be an elderly man when I finally see another Chief Justice, so yes, the opportunity to lose yet another election, especially when we've got a guy like Obama, is a bit frightening.

by "credibility" I don't really mean actual credibility -- I mean I think Obama has the political wisdom to be able to sustain ppl's faith in him, whereas the Palin thing seems like it could collapse much more easily

I wonder if McCain will get a boost in the polls from the 9/11 anniversary stuff.

Obama has the ability to control the terms of the debate (something Kerry was horrible at) - I think he'll be aiight

oh, FISA, oh don't you cry for meee....

morbs is not just a Doctor, but a community organizer, law review editor, lawyer, State Senator, United States Senator and Presidential nominee

i'm nervous

P.Plains, this is kind of a weird question on this thread, but not really: does Beeps have joint US/Australian citizenship?

and I WON'T TAKE AWAY YER HANDGUN!

You know, I'm no longer concerned about history. When Bush was re-elected, I told myself, "Well, the nation endured Grant and Garfield and Arthur and those guys. It can't crumble too much in four years."

But now, I'm realizing that I've "only" got four or five decades left here, that I'm likely going to be an elderly man when I finally see another Chief Justice, so yes, the opportunity to lose yet another election, especially when we've got a guy like Obama, is a bit frightening.

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^ award for most depressing post I've ever read on ilx, cheers

nowadays I'm really fucking wishing that the government would take away people's handguns, grrrr

http://www.gnxp.com/blog/2008/09/barack-obama-on-bell-curve.php

from 1994

wau

Real opportunity would mean quality prenatal care for all women and well-funded and innovative public schools for all children. Real opportunity would mean a job at a living wage for everyone who was willing to work, jobs that can return some structure and dignity to people's lives and give inner-city children something more than a basketball rim to shoot for. In the short run, such ladders of opportunity are going to cost more, not less, than either welfare or affirmative action. But, in the long run, our investment should payoff handsomely. That we fail to make this investment is just plain stupid. It's not the result of an intellectual deficit. It's theresult of a moral deficit.

I don't know what Beeps' citizenship situation is like. She's obviously Merricun for being born here. Yet her mother is an Australian citizen. It might be one of those things she doesn't have to worry about until she's 18.

You're too kind, E3. :-D

that guy

i got oirish citizenship cuz my mom was born there. automatically. maybe australia is the same?

HI DERE FOR PREZ

If, as political scientists like to tell us, this is the time when voters start to pay attention, consider what they’re hearing from Obama and the Democratic Party:

On the Iraq War, Obama was pushed into saying that the “surge worked beyond anyone’s wildest expectations” to the Fox News blowhard, Bill O’Reilly. Despite being an inaccurate – if not completely spineless – position, it effectively handed what was the number one issue directly over to Mr. Surge himself, John McCain.

On energy issues, the Dems are in the middle of doing an about-face on offshore drilling. Instead of showing some spine and sanity in the face of the Republican’s new – and scary – hit chant of “drill baby, drill,” the Dems are flip-flopping like McCain on the issue and, according to The Hill, preparing to help pass new offshore drilling allowances.

On health care, the Obama campaign continues to muddy and muddle through a confusing and all-but-impossible to understand “solution” that will allow the insurance companies and “the market” to remain in control. If it sounds a lot like the Hilary plan of 1993, well, it is. And we all know how that ended up – 15 long years ago. Thanks Dems. Sorry, but any health care plan from the Dems that doesn’t include the words “universal” or “single-payer” is just a pale imitation of the Republicans’ plan. In other words, not much change there.

http://www.counterpunch.org/colby09092008.html

“the market”

but any health care plan from the Dems that doesn’t include the words “universal” or “single-payer” is just a pale imitation of the Republicans’ plan

hey, if you can intone political mantras, you never need to worry about policy substance

nowadays I'm really fucking wishing that the government would take away people's handguns, grrrr

...and give them to you?

raise your hand if you actually understand anything about either candidate's health care policy

(i am not raising my hand :-/ )

those of us who watch the coverage and appreciate nuance understand what else obama said about guns and what audience he was speaking to

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/09/05/obama-im-not-going-to-take-your-guns-away/

Duryea, PA is near Scranton. The number of murders in Scranton in 2006 was zero.

You know, I'm no longer concerned about history.

you're goin' the wrong way PP! you're supposed to get more concerned w/history!

gabbnerd, the supernumerary nipple of Dem propaganda, citing the WSJ...

that blahg stops short of the "handgun" quote.

nowadays I'm really fucking wishing that the government would take away people's handguns, grrrr

...and give them to you?

This time, no. Long story short, my wife has a cousin who was shot and killed earlier this week. He was 19.

But see if HE'D hand a handgun he could have "defended himself".

(Sorry - that sucks, DJP)

That's awful DP, I'm sorry.

ugh, fucking "thanks but no thanks" go jump in a lake you shithead lowbrow rube'

xposts, I'm sorry DP

the handgun quote, dorkius, is from Lebanon, VA, pop. 3200, which recorded 0 murders between 2001 and 2006

very sorry dan : (

Thanks. Been a shitty week.

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someone should seriously make that, btw

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Discuss: is Sarah Palin herself a female misogynist? They do exist and I think she is one.

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"Guess Who's Coming to Dinner"

Gah!
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"Guess Who's Coming to Dinner"

"Oh, I don't know about being President but I'll settle for Secretary of State!" -Sidney Poitier in Guess Who's Coming To Dinner.

ps. I have a feeling that Hank Sr would not condone most of Bocephus' musical output, including this.

could somebody start a new thread already? this thing takes forever and a weekend to load at this point

My Pussy's So Hot: US Presidential Election Thread THREE

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It's The Don't Cha!

Christ, I thought that was a real link for a second. That's not the kind of thread title I'd want to have show up on my work computer's history tyvm

could somebody start a new thread already? this thing takes forever and a weekend to load at this point

― Beatrix Kiddo, Tuesday, October 14, 2008 8:03 AM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

BOOOOOOOOOOOKMARK.

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xp, bookmark is no use for looking back through the thread if you've got a slow computer/connection

is the third debate tonight?

Tomorrow.

There you go again, caek, always looking backwards when we've got the future ahead of us.

We should have this bookmark / no bookmark discussion more often.

Probably already linked but this story on Obama's ground game is well worth a read.

Bring it, bitches: Very long threads

SHUT UP ALREADY: Ultimate 2008 US Presidential Election Thread For Whiners

Tomorrow's debate will be a sit-down, I take it.

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