one hates to have- just clumsy imo, wouldn't kill myself worrying about it once i'd filled in the letters
― "It's far from 'lol' you were reared, boy" (darraghmac), Tuesday, 27 July 2010 21:54 (thirteen years ago) link
GOOGLE mayne, google!
Are these all done apart from #3 now?
― Gravel Puzzleworth, Tuesday, 27 July 2010 21:55 (thirteen years ago) link
Haha I used google on formosan aggression, then I still couldn't do it :(
Everyone agrees it's wrong to google when you're actually doing the thing, right?
― Gravel Puzzleworth, Tuesday, 27 July 2010 21:56 (thirteen years ago) link
'given in embarrassment'
quite simply- none of my dictionaries and none of my brain cells and none of my internets can suggest even a single half-plausible explanatino for the remaining piece of this clue
― "It's far from 'lol' you were reared, boy" (darraghmac), Tuesday, 27 July 2010 21:58 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah googling is prob frowned upon while doing, tho perfectly acceptable after you've gotten it- else how d'you learn sure?
I really can't make #3 work, I can sort of make bits of the clue bit fit, but not the whole thing, and not convincingly.
― ailsa, Tuesday, 27 July 2010 22:00 (thirteen years ago) link
i guess you must 'hate' as a necessary condition of 'having' the third one- ?
though i would be much happier with 'fear' over hate, and that's already in the clue so slapdash at best imo
― "It's far from 'lol' you were reared, boy" (darraghmac), Tuesday, 27 July 2010 22:01 (thirteen years ago) link
ie you must hate *something* to have a phobia
I have learned the word "emderatology" today though, which is nice.
xpost you can have a phobia without hatred though, so misdefinition just to give a double non-cryptic clue is totally misleading and wrong. There must be more to it than that. Where's the rest of the contributors to this thread when you need them?
― ailsa, Tuesday, 27 July 2010 22:03 (thirteen years ago) link
i google
― thomp, Tuesday, 27 July 2010 22:04 (thirteen years ago) link
araucaria or ximes had a quote about how the solver ought to be permitted 'a reasonable shelf of reference works'. eh. also, you know, sometimes you have PSALMANUGGLE or something and just need to go 'is this really the name of an extinct marsupial or am i wrong'
― thomp, Tuesday, 27 July 2010 22:05 (thirteen years ago) link
btw, cryptics are the one thing I miss since I stopped buying print newspapers, but not enough to actually buy a book of puzzles or print any off or whatever, so I do love this thread very much indeed.
― ailsa, Tuesday, 27 July 2010 22:08 (thirteen years ago) link
i treat it like scrabble rules (at least the scrabble rules at my house)- it goes in, in ink, before you get to check. no further stabs if wrong, and it stands forever as admonition
― "It's far from 'lol' you were reared, boy" (darraghmac), Tuesday, 27 July 2010 22:09 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.irishtimes.com/games/crosswords/
ailsa, no excuses
― "It's far from 'lol' you were reared, boy" (darraghmac), Tuesday, 27 July 2010 22:12 (thirteen years ago) link
<3
― ailsa, Tuesday, 27 July 2010 22:31 (thirteen years ago) link
hmm wait it's asking for a login? never used to.
maybe i can get one.......
― "It's far from 'lol' you were reared, boy" (darraghmac), Tuesday, 27 July 2010 22:46 (thirteen years ago) link
ACtually, the one I'm doing is kind of shit. but thanks, is good to get the practice back in.
― ailsa, Tuesday, 27 July 2010 22:47 (thirteen years ago) link
there's one you can do without logging in
well ok, but there used to be a trove. i think a mate may have a login but mods may have issues with me posting it or not?
― "It's far from 'lol' you were reared, boy" (darraghmac), Tuesday, 27 July 2010 22:52 (thirteen years ago) link
Off to bed now - thanks for the help! More tomorrow I fear.
Outstanding clues:
Writer's well after visit - Theo left to think positive (6)Morbid fear one hates to have (6)A singularly heavy blow given in embarrassment (4)
Answers:vaxcbgcubovnbare
rot13er: http://www.faqintosh.com/risorse/en/othutil/webapps/rot13/
― Gravel Puzzleworth, Tuesday, 27 July 2010 23:03 (thirteen years ago) link
writer's well- obvious. theo's left to think positive- will work on this bit!
morbid fears- yeah, unsatisfactory answer but i think this is just a bad clue.
bare- the single strike (think conker here for me) is clear- i've also tried linking 'embarrassment' with the 'heavy duty' aspect of the word, but no dice there.
― "It's far from 'lol' you were reared, boy" (darraghmac), Tuesday, 27 July 2010 23:09 (thirteen years ago) link
inkpot
theo's left to think positive
th ink eo pot
― "It's far from 'lol' you were reared, boy" (darraghmac), Tuesday, 27 July 2010 23:11 (thirteen years ago) link
ok
the o's left to think positive
― "It's far from 'lol' you were reared, boy" (darraghmac), Tuesday, 27 July 2010 23:12 (thirteen years ago) link
hmm maybe something there?
i'll just get a pencil shall i? :)
I've got as far as thINKPOsitive, but it's not really working out for me much after that.
Yeah, single strike fine on those grounds, but again, not so much thereafter for me either. Can't even work out where to start.
xposts, yeah, something like that.
― ailsa, Tuesday, 27 July 2010 23:14 (thirteen years ago) link
those kind of things should be kept for listener-type xwords imo. araucaria annoyed me today with a word for hartebeest which actually means wildebeest, except in some 200 year old taxonomy.
― no, you're dead right, it's a macaroon (ledge), Tuesday, 27 July 2010 23:30 (thirteen years ago) link
oh come on, who hasn't gotten wildebeest/hartebeest mixed up lately? hot topic imo
― "It's far from 'lol' you were reared, boy" (darraghmac), Tuesday, 27 July 2010 23:31 (thirteen years ago) link
xxp you're forgetting the 'visit'.
― no, you're dead right, it's a macaroon (ledge), Tuesday, 27 July 2010 23:32 (thirteen years ago) link
to think positive - theo visit = inkpot.
― no, you're dead right, it's a macaroon (ledge), Tuesday, 27 July 2010 23:35 (thirteen years ago) link
leaves us with 'poe' from positive....
― "It's far from 'lol' you were reared, boy" (darraghmac), Tuesday, 27 July 2010 23:35 (thirteen years ago) link
ha!
ok motivated to revisit the others now
― "It's far from 'lol' you were reared, boy" (darraghmac), Tuesday, 27 July 2010 23:36 (thirteen years ago) link
(sterling work btw)
there a word for 'shame' with 'oner' in the middle?
― no, you're dead right, it's a macaroon (ledge), Tuesday, 27 July 2010 23:39 (thirteen years ago) link
i think the phobia = hate thing is right - e.g. xenophobia, homophobia, generally manifest as hate not fear.
― no, you're dead right, it's a macaroon (ledge), Tuesday, 27 July 2010 23:41 (thirteen years ago) link
dis oner
― "It's far from 'lol' you were reared, boy" (darraghmac), Tuesday, 27 July 2010 23:41 (thirteen years ago) link
Well done ledge.
I have been failing to find synonyms for embarrassment with "oner" in the middle for some time now, but I totally misread the inkpot one, so I don't trust my own judgement any more.
― ailsa, Tuesday, 27 July 2010 23:45 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm gonna investigate as to whether as 'oner' orginated as a debt of shame? seems the most promising lead (working backwards from onerous)
― "It's far from 'lol' you were reared, boy" (darraghmac), Tuesday, 27 July 2010 23:45 (thirteen years ago) link
don't keep us in suspenders
― no, you're dead right, it's a macaroon (ledge), Wednesday, 28 July 2010 08:33 (thirteen years ago) link
i got nothing
― "It's far from 'lol' you were reared, boy" (darraghmac), Wednesday, 28 July 2010 09:03 (thirteen years ago) link
Chambers gives 'a big lie' as a definition of 'oner': is that what's given in embarrassment?
― tetrahedron of space (woof), Wednesday, 28 July 2010 09:05 (thirteen years ago) link
bit of a stretch.
not as much as trying to make 'er' = embarrassment, granted
― "It's far from 'lol' you were reared, boy" (darraghmac), Wednesday, 28 July 2010 09:09 (thirteen years ago) link
darra was maybe on the right track. from teh oed:
oner, v.
Obs.
Forms: lME onyr, lME-15 oner. [< classical Latin oner{amac}re ONERATE v. Compare EXONER v., ONERATE v.]
trans. To oppress or burden; to charge; spec. to levy a charge on.a1500 W. LICHEFELD Complaint of God (Caius) 400 in Anglia (1911) 34 520 Full sore schulde thy enmyes be desesyd, And thou my{ygh}thtyst oner [c1450 Lamb. 853 ouer] them, as i onyr [c1450 Lamb. 853 ouer] the may. 1545 St. Papers Hen. VIII V. 409 Who be extreme in takinge of gressoms, and oneringe of rentes. 1545 G. JOYE Expos. Daniel (viii.) f. 145, Beholde withe how fewe single pure and easye institucions cryste orned & not onered his chirche. 1581 Protocol Bk. J. Scott (Edinb. Reg. House) f. 112, The landis of Ower Carinbie..is onerit and burdanit with ane {ygh}eirlie annuell rent [etc.]. a1600 (?c1535) tr. H. Boece Hist. Scotl. (1946) IV. iii. f.129, [The Romans] had neuer onerit thame with sic chargis as victouris mycht of resoun put to pepill vincust
― no, you're dead right, it's a macaroon (ledge), Wednesday, 28 July 2010 09:14 (thirteen years ago) link
but i can't find anything to link that to shame/embarrassment specifically, as opposed to just 'burden of debt'- all the stuff you'd expect about legal terms in filing for bankruptcy etc, but it still seems like we're stretching to me.
― "It's far from 'lol' you were reared, boy" (darraghmac), Wednesday, 28 July 2010 09:18 (thirteen years ago) link
'Er' (ie 'errrrrrrr') as something spoken/given in embarassment feels ok, though - it's just I can't parse the clue to get the 'on'.
(These clues are horrible by the way - I'd be angry at them - messy, a bit confused.)
― tetrahedron of space (woof), Wednesday, 28 July 2010 09:25 (thirteen years ago) link
i'd have agreed with you on the clues until ledge pulled the rug under our feet with positive theo, now i'm wary
― "It's far from 'lol' you were reared, boy" (darraghmac), Wednesday, 28 July 2010 09:29 (thirteen years ago) link
I knew ledge would come good. Shall I post more, or do people want to crack on with morbid fear/ given in embarassment?
― Gravel Puzzleworth, Wednesday, 28 July 2010 10:09 (thirteen years ago) link