it's not as cut and dried as geezer vs aesthete, this is silly.
Williams may not be a geezer but that doesn't mean his prose should be let off the hook. Just because he tries to bring in themes that you might not normally read in football does not exonerate a crap metaphor like the above painting one, in any case the idea of people vaguely musing about art in football writing is pretty hackneyed.
― Local Garda, Thursday, 11 September 2008 14:39 (fifteen years ago) link
I thought clumsily shoehorning art metaphors into football discourse was pretty much stock in trade for a certain segment of the media? See also the BBC coverage of every international tournament since 1990 or thereabouts.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 11 September 2008 14:43 (fifteen years ago) link
the future of England...
under 21 draw, winners of these ties join hosts Sweden in euro under 21 tournament next june
http://www.uefa.com/competitions/under21/news/kind=1/newsid=748709.html
Germany v France Denmark v Serbia Turkey v Belarus Austria v Finland Wales v England Italy v Israel Switzerland v Spain
― djmartian, Friday, 12 September 2008 11:02 (fifteen years ago) link
When I finally read that Richard Williams article, I thought the art aspect was pretty good. It showed a knowledge of an actual Italian art movement, not just generalized BS about sport as art, and the whole thing partly revolved around a joke about the England team being like a Dadaist urinal. The painting phrase quoted upthread was, I think, a subheading bit added by a copyeditor or whatever.
DC says the BBC have 'clumsily shoehorned' art into football discourse. (When did anyone who uses this kind of talk, certainly including me, last use a shoehorn, clumsily or otherwise?) It's true that there is some kind of marginal slo-mo aestheticism around the edges of tournament coverage - and I am happy with that. But the central reality, as we must all surely remember, is Adrian Chiles asking Lee Dixon about how full-backs mark, Alan Hansen declaring the first half of a game the worst he's ever seen, Shearer saying 'I've been impressed with them, I really have' and Lawro saying 'exciting game -- NOT'. Not really a lot of art around.
― the pinefox, Friday, 12 September 2008 11:20 (fifteen years ago) link
I used a shoehorn about six weeks ago actually, while trying on a pair of shoes in a shop. It's not an action that's easy to perform with a huge amount of grace.
― Matt DC, Friday, 12 September 2008 11:24 (fifteen years ago) link
Anyway Walcott's performance is as good an excuse as any for me to start banging on about the need to promote Ashley Young and Gaby Agbonlahor to the senior squad sooner rather than later. Can't remember the last time there was an England team with much in the way of pace.
― Matt DC, Friday, 12 September 2008 11:25 (fifteen years ago) link
I have never used a shoehorn.
― Aare-Reuss Böögg (blueski), Friday, 12 September 2008 13:13 (fifteen years ago) link
I have never attempted to squeeze a quart into a pint pot.
― Hilarious Scrip Kiddie (Noodle Vague), Friday, 12 September 2008 13:14 (fifteen years ago) link
England will play friendly internationals against Slovakia and Slovenia at Wembley in 2009, the Football Association has announced.Fabio Capello's side will face Slovakia on 28 March, three days before the home World Cup qualifier against Ukraine.Slovenia will be England's opponents on 5 September ahead of the Group six match against Croatia on 9 September."It's very important to play similar style opposition as practice for the competitive matches," Capello said.
reminiscent of what Sven said re playing Jamaica to prepare for playing Trinidad & Tobago
mid-ranking countries England haven't played this decade:
Norway (last met in '95)Ireland (last met in '95)Bulgaria (last met in '99)Belgium (last met in '99)Scotland (last met in '99)
― Aare-Reuss Böögg (blueski), Wednesday, 17 September 2008 12:34 (fifteen years ago) link
Fifa has fined the Croatian Football Federation £15,000 for racist behaviour by their fans during the World Cup qualifier with England on 10 September.
YEAH, THAT'LL LEARN 'EM
― They're a '90s odd couple. And an odds-on choice for laughs. (blueski), Thursday, 25 September 2008 14:33 (fifteen years ago) link
15k is Bilic's wage for three years though.
― Carrie Bradshaw Layfield (The stickman from the hilarious 'xkcd' comics), Thursday, 25 September 2008 14:34 (fifteen years ago) link
He tops that up with income from his band.
― aye it's me (onimo), Thursday, 25 September 2008 14:51 (fifteen years ago) link
He's in Skrewdriver?
― Tom D Gives You the Big Reassure (Tom D.), Thursday, 25 September 2008 14:52 (fifteen years ago) link
RAWBAU
― aye it's me (onimo), Thursday, 25 September 2008 15:01 (fifteen years ago) link
So, about that dawning of an exciting new era, eh lads?
― Matt DC, Saturday, 11 October 2008 17:03 (fifteen years ago) link
http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/TEE_RIPJ/BOJS002~Women-s-Borat-I-Heart-Kazakhstan-Posters.jpg
(to be revised at fulltime, no doubt)
― ailsa, Saturday, 11 October 2008 17:04 (fifteen years ago) link
Also they've kidnapped Rooney and replaced him with a bricklayer.
― Matt DC, Saturday, 11 October 2008 17:06 (fifteen years ago) link
need 4-3-2-1 with Owen up front
― Annoying Display Name (blueski), Saturday, 11 October 2008 17:13 (fifteen years ago) link
The Wembley pitch is still as big and slow as its always been.
― Mr Raif, Saturday, 11 October 2008 17:16 (fifteen years ago) link
Kazakhstan should be 1-0 up.
― Neil S, Saturday, 11 October 2008 17:19 (fifteen years ago) link
The Wembley pitch England team is still as big and slow as its always been.
http://seoulcurry.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/bob-the-builder.jpg
― Poll Wall (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 11 October 2008 17:23 (fifteen years ago) link
that's more like it!
― Neil S, Saturday, 11 October 2008 17:23 (fifteen years ago) link
LOL@KAZAKHSTAN
I really think England can go on and win now, if they put 10 men behind the ball.
WHO THE FUCK IS BORAT????
― Local Garda, Saturday, 11 October 2008 17:24 (fifteen years ago) link
all v reminiscent of Albania game 7 years ago
― Annoying Display Name (blueski), Saturday, 11 October 2008 17:24 (fifteen years ago) link
England "putting Kazakhstan in their place" there, ITV cheerfully inform us
― The Slash My Father Wrote (DJ Mencap), Saturday, 11 October 2008 17:25 (fifteen years ago) link
Even compared to the BBC commentators Tyldesly and Pleat are full of jingoistic crap.
― Neil S, Saturday, 11 October 2008 17:26 (fifteen years ago) link
you'd think they were Englishmen!
― Annoying Display Name (blueski), Saturday, 11 October 2008 17:27 (fifteen years ago) link
I know it's a vain hope, but a little bit of objectivity is not too much to ask for, surely.
― Neil S, Saturday, 11 October 2008 17:28 (fifteen years ago) link
why, do we get objectivity with the cricket?
i wonder how few places below England a country could be in the rankings before 'putting X in their place' wouldn't come up (it comes in the context of goal-less first half tho)
― Annoying Display Name (blueski), Saturday, 11 October 2008 17:29 (fifteen years ago) link
Game's not on Scottish TV, btw, so jingoism not as annoying as it is on the BBC (am watching via the magicks of Sky)
― ailsa, Saturday, 11 October 2008 17:29 (fifteen years ago) link
x-post Relative to football, cricket is objective, although that's still not saying much.
― Neil S, Saturday, 11 October 2008 17:30 (fifteen years ago) link
Jingoism is fair enough I reckon, it's just that Pleat is a complete fucking arsehole whatever he says.
― Poll Wall (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 11 October 2008 17:31 (fifteen years ago) link
BBC is always less jingoistic than ITV! Tho Motty most at fault for jingoism at the Beeb.
― Local Garda, Saturday, 11 October 2008 17:34 (fifteen years ago) link
Flukey second goal!
― Neil S, Saturday, 11 October 2008 17:35 (fifteen years ago) link
Motty most at fault for jingoism at the Beeb
Only cos Barry "Look at that disgusting cheating foreigner, they don't like it up 'em the fuzzy wuzzies you know" Davies has been retired.
― Poll Wall (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 11 October 2008 17:35 (fifteen years ago) link
What a load of complete horseshit.
― the pinefox, Saturday, 11 October 2008 17:36 (fifteen years ago) link
What, Barry Davies or England?
― Poll Wall (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 11 October 2008 17:37 (fifteen years ago) link
steady on pinefox, they may yet scramble a third xp bah
― Annoying Display Name (blueski), Saturday, 11 October 2008 17:37 (fifteen years ago) link
LOL
― Annoying Display Name (blueski), Saturday, 11 October 2008 17:38 (fifteen years ago) link
Everybody knows you can't just sit deep and hang on against quality opposition like Kazakhstan.
― Poll Wall (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 11 October 2008 17:39 (fifteen years ago) link
i've just accepted England will always struggle and perform poorly against the lower-ranked teams
― Annoying Display Name (blueski), Saturday, 11 October 2008 17:40 (fifteen years ago) link
four words too many there.
― Poll Wall (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 11 October 2008 17:40 (fifteen years ago) link
England fans may be wishing Capello had fallen through a TRAPP door.
― Local Garda, Saturday, 11 October 2008 17:45 (fifteen years ago) link
BORE-AT
― Annoying Display Name (blueski), Saturday, 11 October 2008 17:46 (fifteen years ago) link
ROO ARE YA
― Local Garda, Saturday, 11 October 2008 17:47 (fifteen years ago) link
a goal using feet...just imagine it!
― Annoying Display Name (blueski), Saturday, 11 October 2008 17:48 (fifteen years ago) link
Nice to see Rooney representing for male pattern baldness sufferers.
― Poll Wall (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 11 October 2008 17:50 (fifteen years ago) link
and ferrety beard wearers
― Local Garda, Saturday, 11 October 2008 17:51 (fifteen years ago) link
he's gonna look like john mccririck in 20 years
― Annoying Display Name (blueski), Saturday, 11 October 2008 17:53 (fifteen years ago) link
I see Wales are sticking it to the Liechtensteiners.
― Poll Wall (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 11 October 2008 17:53 (fifteen years ago) link