Def Leppard 'Hysteria': C/D?

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so you don't like hysteria as an album. well thats your funeral mate.

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Friday, 21 May 2004 00:18 (nineteen years ago) link

amen

― Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 21 May 2004 00:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Maybe that's another thing standing in my way of liking Hysteria - it has some of that nationless (Australian? Canadian?) global pop Celine Dion sound (along with the standard easy-translate lyrics, though I admit to T. Rex ignorance). I'm no NWOBHM fan, but Alex in NYC suggests a point - on Pyromania, at least they're from somewhere.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 21 May 2004 00:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Personally I like it when people get over D&D bullshit.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 21 May 2004 00:40 (nineteen years ago) link

that's an interesting angle, ok

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 21 May 2004 00:42 (nineteen years ago) link

No it's not. It's a stupid generalization.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 21 May 2004 00:43 (nineteen years ago) link

I mean, you'd had to have cared in the first place. I guess my point re the production is yes it has that huge candy-coated drum sound, but it's filtered through the same place "(Everything I Do) I Do It For You" came from.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 21 May 2004 00:47 (nineteen years ago) link

so is Back In Black!

And I was making joke there, re: D&D. Somewhat.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 21 May 2004 00:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Personally the Def boys looked a lot more cute in the "live performance" scenes in those Pyromania videos than in the Hysteria era ones (where they dressed down so people wouldn't think Mutt had replaced them with cyborgs). Though the sword stuff in those old videos was pretty silly. Their best video, which I saw once but SADLY didn't get to tape was for "Me & My Wine."

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 21 May 2004 00:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Back In Black sucks too (though it's a better album than Hysteria)

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 21 May 2004 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

well at least you're being consistent.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 21 May 2004 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Though the sword stuff in those old videos was pretty silly.

You mean in "Rock of Ages"? I think it was meant to be silly.

But Def Leppard were never "D&D Bullshit" in a lyrical context.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 21 May 2004 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

"Me & My Wine" is just them playing in a house, drinking a lot, if I remember correctly.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 21 May 2004 01:01 (nineteen years ago) link

That's true, re: lyrics. Though I'm not sure what "Die Hard The Hunter" was about.

There's a lot of great visual humor in "Me & My Wine."

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 21 May 2004 01:02 (nineteen years ago) link

but it's filtered through the same place "(Everything I Do) I Do It For You" came from.

DON'T BE HASSLING BRYAN ADAMS!!!!

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Friday, 21 May 2004 01:04 (nineteen years ago) link

and I don't necessarily hear the same thing on the 7-years-earlier Back In Black - I mean Mutt Lange produced Pyromania and High 'N Dry too.

Personally I like it when people get over D&D bullshit.

there's definitely something to this - the ease of "Hysteria," the we-don't-give-a-shit of the "Animal" video, calling a song "Pour Some Sugar On Me." they came out of the pop closet.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 21 May 2004 01:09 (nineteen years ago) link

I will admit that without Lange's guiding hand they haven't known what to do with themselves since.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 21 May 2004 01:16 (nineteen years ago) link

I take "D&D Bullshit" to mean the sort of lyrical/visual aesthetic as preferred by Iron Maiden and Dio. For the most part, Def Leppard never really embaraced they mythological medieval dragonslaying occult vibe.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 21 May 2004 01:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Yay! I knew Lady Ms. Lurex would be here, and her reasons are the best of all!

One thing that struck me about "Gods of War" is how it's like the weird mirror image of every Iron Maiden song about something newsworthy/relevant -- their own "Two Minutes to Midnight," say -- but in its own world. (Is this reason 32431534?)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 21 May 2004 01:16 (nineteen years ago) link

3340: i think the chorus of armageddon is an explosion of rainbows and stars and all things lurex.

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Friday, 21 May 2004 01:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Actually, it's a viscous mushroom-cloud of needlessly syruppy glop that could send a diabetic into a sugar coma.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 21 May 2004 01:43 (nineteen years ago) link

YAY!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 21 May 2004 01:44 (nineteen years ago) link

(I mean, there really is nothing at all wrong with that description, aside from 'needlessly' and 'glop.')

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 21 May 2004 01:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Mutt Lange, yesterday:

http://www.genewilder.org/photos/ww/ww_wouldulike2c.jpg

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 21 May 2004 01:47 (nineteen years ago) link

BEST COMPLIMENT EVER!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 21 May 2004 01:49 (nineteen years ago) link

46) The layers of guitars at work in the chorus of "Animal," specifically how after each gang-shout part of the chorus there's this subtle but essential little extra chime.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 21 May 2004 02:04 (nineteen years ago) link

DON'T LET THIS THREAD DIE OMGWTF!

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 23 May 2004 19:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Gotcha.

HYSTERIA SUCKS A BIG BAG OF GREASY DICKS!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 23 May 2004 19:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Then add more reasons to love, Eisbar ya punk.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 23 May 2004 19:42 (nineteen years ago) link

i can't believe when forced to choose between this and grunge, "we" chose grunge.

i weep for my generation.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 23 May 2004 20:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Another reason why Iron Maiden are incalculably cooler than Def Lepard.....

COFFEE MUGS!

http://www.eddiesmegastore.com/images/stock/killersmug_large.jpg

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 23 May 2004 20:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Hysteria and Nevermind were four years apart, that's enough time for a generation or two. ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 23 May 2004 20:22 (nineteen years ago) link

yer like 10 years younger than gen-x, strongo? what you mean "we"?

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 23 May 2004 20:24 (nineteen years ago) link

besides, the world's big enough for both hysteria and nevermind. i didn't melt down the former immediately after being the latter, you know.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 23 May 2004 20:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Being vs buying.

"I AM Nirvana, man!"

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 23 May 2004 20:26 (nineteen years ago) link

haha nevermind != grunge

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 23 May 2004 20:27 (nineteen years ago) link

unless you care to make a case for candlebox

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 23 May 2004 20:27 (nineteen years ago) link

considering my undergrad antics, that slip was a little more freudian than i would've liked.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 23 May 2004 20:28 (nineteen years ago) link

besides, i think that stone temple pilots = the def leppard of the nineties.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 23 May 2004 20:29 (nineteen years ago) link

haha nevermind != grunge

Well, supposedly it getting to number one meant more than Adrenalize debuting there. (Number two that week -- Wish by the Cure!)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 23 May 2004 20:30 (nineteen years ago) link

1990/1991 were weird years.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 23 May 2004 20:30 (nineteen years ago) link

strongo = closet NELSON fan?!?

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 23 May 2004 20:31 (nineteen years ago) link

fuck winger ... i was happier that nirvana et. al. got rid of NELSON.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 23 May 2004 20:32 (nineteen years ago) link

http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drf500/f595/f59513p0fnk.jpg

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 23 May 2004 20:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, strongo, by '91, I think it was more of a choice between "Let's Get Rocked"/"Make Love Like a Man" and grunge.

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Sunday, 23 May 2004 21:05 (nineteen years ago) link

90/91 was also the heyday of ice cube/public enemy/jungle brothers/geto boys/de la soul/tribe called quest.

i was almost trife-an those days.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 23 May 2004 21:08 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm actually getting a little tired of hating on the whole '90s rock gestalt. Most of the hair-farmers were already turning into wanna-be cowboys (their audience REALLY turned into cowboys thanks to Garth Brooks), REM's Out Of Time was the first rock album to hit number one in over a year when it did and Candlebox would have been just as big in 88 as 92 (it's called a power ballad, it was nothing new). It kind of fits with the induction of Clinton and PC that we would have a new series of less gleefully sexual (ok THAT element is kind of ironic in hindsight re: Monicagate), less crass, more "socially conscious" superstars. Billy Corgan, Eddie Vedder, Kurt Cobain, Trent Reznor, etc. fit the times pretty well. It's important to remember that the good-times patrol were REALLY not putting up a fight at the time, releasing nothing but ballads and lukewarm shit like Adrenalize. It's definitely annoying that the liberal, "considerate" bands couldn't work up the infectious enthusiasm of '80s groups (Beasties being an arguable exception), this shouldn't be surprising. Look at liberal candidates vs. conservative ones. Considering all the elements vs. going with what comes naturally. Grime vs. crunk!

Besides Meat Loaf was huge 1993.

Ok, that was all over the place.

47) The swooping sounds right before the guitar solo on "Hysteria."

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 23 May 2004 21:10 (nineteen years ago) link

But overtly liberal socially conscious messages in rock were surely more 80s than 90s? Even Ozzy Osbourne, Queensryche, Iron Maiden, and White Lion were writing overtly political 'protest' songs, to say nothing of Bono/Sting/Springsteen/Morrissey/Gabriel/Geddy/Garrett. All the 90s stars you mention, except maybe Vedder, were way more solipstic and amoral. If anything, they probably led to U2 and REM becoming less political.

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Sunday, 23 May 2004 21:17 (nineteen years ago) link

In the '90s the paradox was groups whose liberal nature was assumed found themselves shoved in the limelight (again, in part because the hair-farmers weren't earning the attention anymore - plus the Nirvana bandwagon effect), and most responded with the ironic amorality you're talking about. These groups were still SEEN as liberal though.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 23 May 2004 21:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Plus a lot of the stars you're talking (Sting/Gabriel/Geddy) were targeted for older audiences.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 23 May 2004 21:24 (nineteen years ago) link

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